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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by djh
May I suggest that you take it to U2U or somewhere else ?
Off topic, personal, and inappropriate for this thread. |
pick any thread- they are all like this right now... and personally I cringe when I get a U2U. I like things to be out in the open- but maybe the
"Take it to Off-Topic" is a better option.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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I am so disappointed with you two!
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Donjulio
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Lot of craziness lately for the negativity here. Some of us live here and love Mexico and it's people. This is a Baja Forum. Perhaps my mistake was to
believe it was to promote all the wonderful things about Baja and peoples experiences here. Lately people seem to want to trash it.
Really it would be like me going to a site promoting Florida and start bashing the US. Tell people not to go to Disney World or Sea World cause of the
crime in Miami and posting every purse snatching, carjacking, burglary, accident, robbery, homicide that I could find in the whole state.
There would truly have to be something not right about me to spend my time doing that. Just makes no sense.
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Donjulio
I did not work for "The company that marketed El Dorado". I believe you are referring to RMac? Never worked for them. |
You see, this is exactly what I mean when I spoke of you being dishonest. Look at this page:
http://www.eastvalleynetworking.com/el_dorado_ranch.htm
Look down at the very bottom of the page. Do you see where it says, "Offered by: Brooks, Byron and Associates, LLC." ?? You were employed as a real
estate sales agent for them from 2003 to 2005. You're just too slick. I don't even want to get into your mealy-mouthed explanation that if you don't
sell real estate that has dropped in value, you haven't lost any money.
And I answered you question about my negativity several times. I'm not negative, I'm honest. Deal with it. This place is chock full of vultures
waiting to pick-off a soft target.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
It is too bad the police have to beat and torture each other to get the "truth"..........
[Edited on 3-5-2010 by Woooosh] |
Yup, you are right. Beating them is SO last year and Neanderthal like. There are more refined and modern methods to obtain information.
Quick and easy.....and also painless.........how long could you last?????
http://content1.clipmarks.com/content/7E8ADC46-F3DD-4D6F-B18...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Donjulio
Lot of craziness lately for the negativity here. Some of us live here and love Mexico and it's people. This is a Baja Forum. Perhaps my mistake was to
believe it was to promote all the wonderful things about Baja and peoples experiences here. Lately people seem to want to trash it.
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We have to have all sides of every issue to form an accurate opinion of a place. It would be a disservice to promote only the good in anything when
another side exists.
There's a beautiful little park in South Central Los Angeles. Should South Central be promoted based solely on that little park? I don't think so.
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Donjulio
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
| Quote: | Originally posted by Donjulio
I did not work for "The company that marketed El Dorado". I believe you are referring to RMac? Never worked for them. |
You see, this is exactly what I mean when I spoke of you being dishonest. Look at this page:
http://www.eastvalleynetworking.com/el_dorado_ranch.htm
Look down at the very bottom of the page. Do you see where it says, "Offered by: Brooks, Byron and Associates, LLC." ?? You were employed as a real
estate sales agent for them from 2003 to 2005. You're just too slick. I don't even want to get into your mealy-mouthed explanation that if you don't
sell real estate that has dropped in value, you haven't lost any money.
And I answered you question about my negativity several times. I'm not negative, I'm honest. Deal with it. This place is chock full of vultures
waiting to pick-off a soft target. |
You're exactly right. I was a licensed real estate agent in Arizona. Which means I was an independent contractor. My broker was who my license was
with but I worked for El Dorado Ranch/Pat Butler not a marketing company. So lets be very clear. If you are going to tell the story tell it right.
How many foreclosures were there in the US in the last couple years Arrowhead? Do you see us on here bashing the US cause people got ripped off and
lost their money in real estate with the market and economy being down? No you do not. Get real.
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Donjulio
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Donjulio
Lot of craziness lately for the negativity here. Some of us live here and love Mexico and it's people. This is a Baja Forum. Perhaps my mistake was to
believe it was to promote all the wonderful things about Baja and peoples experiences here. Lately people seem to want to trash it.
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We have to have all sides of every issue to form an accurate opinion of a place. It would be a disservice to promote only the good in anything when
another side exists.
There's a beautiful little park in South Central Los Angeles. Should South Central be promoted based solely on that little park? I don't think so.
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An accurate opinion usually is not so biased in one direction. I'm done!
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Donjulio
| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
| Quote: | Originally posted by Donjulio
I did not work for "The company that marketed El Dorado". I believe you are referring to RMac? Never worked for them. |
You see, this is exactly what I mean when I spoke of you being dishonest. Look at this page:
http://www.eastvalleynetworking.com/el_dorado_ranch.htm
Look down at the very bottom of the page. Do you see where it says, "Offered by: Brooks, Byron and Associates, LLC." ?? You were employed as a real
estate sales agent for them from 2003 to 2005. You're just too slick. I don't even want to get into your mealy-mouthed explanation that if you don't
sell real estate that has dropped in value, you haven't lost any money.
And I answered you question about my negativity several times. I'm not negative, I'm honest. Deal with it. This place is chock full of vultures
waiting to pick-off a soft target. |
You're exactly right. I was a licensed real estate agent in Arizona. Which means I was an independent contractor. My broker was who my license was
with but I worked for El Dorado Ranch/Pat Butler not a marketing company. So lets be very clear. If you are going to tell the story tell it right.
How many foreclosures were there in the US in the last couple years Arrowhead? Do you see us on here bashing the US cause people got ripped off and
lost their money in real estate with the market and economy being down? No you do not. Get real. |
You see? You just confessed to lying. Now you are trying to renegotiate what the term "worked for" means.
GAME, SET, MATCH
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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Donjulio
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I was a sales manager for El Dorado Ranch. That was pretty obvious since my website (which I know you checked before) had 3 reference and referral
letters from El Dorado. But you are so quick to point out when someone makes slight errors that I felt it necessary to point out yours.
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Donjulio
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By the way, you won't find anyone at El Dorado Ranch that has had their property taken away from them which was what we were discussing on the one
post that you quoted me on earlier. So you need to practice more before you even think about playing the game.
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Donjulio
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We have to have all sides of every issue to form an accurate opinion of a place. It would be a disservice to promote only the good in anything when
another side exists.
There's a beautiful little park in South Central Los Angeles. Should South Central be promoted based solely on that little park? I don't think so.
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This is my last post on these forums. I really am tired of all the negativity and fighting lately. I quit once before and don't know why I came back.
The bottom line is you can't form an accurate opinion of a place on other peoples opinions and information. You want to form an accurate opinion of a
place...go there. People are scared to death to come to Mexico because of the "accurate opinions" they have formed listening to this kind of crap.
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
There's a beautiful little park in South Central Los Angeles. |
Really!! I need to check it out.
Lately I've been thinking about getting a second home (of course I'll keep my place in quaint and charming Tijuana), and in addition to Baja I've been
considering SOCAL.
South Central might be the place. Sort of a refuge from the craziness here in TJ. I like the idea of being centrally located and I bet the homes along
the park you mentioned are reasonably priced.
Do you think it's safe at night in the park? I hope not. 
I'll post some photos after I visit. Think I'll drive the '63 Chevy low rider up. Just had it painted flat black.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
It is too bad the police have to beat and torture each other to get the "truth"..........
[Edited on 3-5-2010 by Woooosh] |
Yup, you are right. Beating them is SO last year and Neanderthal like. There are more refined and modern methods to obtain information.
Quick and easy.....and also painless.........how long could you last?????
http://content1.clipmarks.com/content/7E8ADC46-F3DD-4D6F-B18... |
Not long- but that's the point, right? I'd take a CIA waterboarding over what those TJ cops got- head covered in a plastic bag and beat with
handcuffs until unconscious. They even tried to get one of them to confess to the crime on a stretcher on the way to the hospital.
No wonder they only showed the two photos- they were the pretty ones afterwards. The security cameras were a better system to keep the honest cops
honest- and the Korean tourist safer.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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arrowhead
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Well, I suppose most people here did not read the newstory about these four TJ cops, as it was in Spanish. They pulled over the cab the Korean was
riding in with their marked patrol units, which have an identification number painted on them, just like NOB. They demanded to see the ID of the
Korean and took his wallet and removed all his money from it. The taxicab driver remembered the ID numbers of the patrol units and later positively
ID'd the four.
Had this happened NOB, these guys would have been found guilty in a court of law no matter what they said, so torture would be unnecessary. It
probably would have taken about a year to go through the legal process. In Mexico, there are no trials in the real sense. Lawyers pass briefs to
judges who review them in their office and rule on what they read. The most expedient way to resolve a case is to present a confession to a judge. It
really cuts down on the paperwork. So, the Mexican criminal jurisprudence system is designed to exact confessions. All those narcotrafficers who have
been arrested recently, you never read about a trial. And they are all sentenced to jail within a couple of weeks of their arrest.
As for Bajaguy's post about US torture, there is something to keep in mind. Statements made under tortures are inadmissible in a US court. Not one
statement of those waterboarded rug merchants was ever entered at a trial. The information was only used to prevent planned attacks on the US. Khalid
Sheikh Mohammed, the confessed mastermind of 911, did not confess to that under torture. He confessed to that gladly and willingly way before the
waterboarding. He wanted to be a martyr and a hero. He was waterboarded to gain information about other planned attacks on the US, and it worked. He
told the CIA about another planned attack on the Library Towers in Los Angeles, and the plot was broken up.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
As for Bajaguy's post about US torture, there is something to keep in mind. Statements made under tortures are inadmissible in a US court. Not one
statement of those waterboarded rug merchants was ever entered at a trial. The information was only used to prevent planned attacks on the US. Khalid
Sheikh Mohammed, the confessed mastermind of 911, did not confess to that under torture. He confessed to that gladly and willingly way before the
waterboarding. He wanted to be a martyr and a hero. He was waterboarded to gain information about other planned attacks on the US, and it worked. He
told the CIA about another planned attack on the Library Towers in Los Angeles, and the plot was broken up. |
arrowhead, I will use whatever method I can to keep my family and my country, and when I was in the military, those under my command safe.
I'm sure that if they would give me a quart of water and 10 minutes with Mr Gardner III, I would have the information about his involvement with
Chelsea King and Amber Dubois.
It's time to quit wasting time and money on these creatures and give them some of their own medicine.......maybe treat them like they treated Daniel
Pearl.
There is only one way to rehabilitate people like Mr Gardner III and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed....... a 165 grain injection of .30 caliber copper encased
lead.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
Well, I suppose most people here did not read the newstory about these four TJ cops, as it was in Spanish. They pulled over the cab the Korean was
riding in with their marked patrol units, which have an identification number painted on them, just like NOB. They demanded to see the ID of the
Korean and took his wallet and removed all his money from it. The taxicab driver remembered the ID numbers of the patrol units and later positively
ID'd the four.
Had this happened NOB, these guys would have been found guilty in a court of law no matter what they said, so torture would be unnecessary. It
probably would have taken about a year to go through the legal process. In Mexico, there are no trials in the real sense. Lawyers pass briefs to
judges who review them in their office and rule on what they read. The most expedient way to resolve a case is to present a confession to a judge. It
really cuts down on the paperwork. So, the Mexican criminal jurisprudence system is designed to exact confessions. All those narcotrafficers who have
been arrested recently, you never read about a trial. And they are all sentenced to jail within a couple of weeks of their arrest.
As for Bajaguy's post about US torture, there is something to keep in mind. Statements made under tortures are inadmissible in a US court. Not one
statement of those waterboarded rug merchants was ever entered at a trial. The information was only used to prevent planned attacks on the US. Khalid
Sheikh Mohammed, the confessed mastermind of 911, did not confess to that under torture. He confessed to that gladly and willingly way before the
waterboarding. He wanted to be a martyr and a hero. He was waterboarded to gain information about other planned attacks on the US, and it worked. He
told the CIA about another planned attack on the Library Towers in Los Angeles, and the plot was broken up. |
So the hero is the cab driver.
Legal reform is on the way (2016?) with a process you would recognize NOB. They go from submitting written briefs behind closed doors to oral
arguments in open courts, cross examinations- the whole enchilada. Legal reform is just one of the pieces they need to get in place before Mexico can
move ahead. Hopefully it will bring transparency to the process because right now "a lot of papers" change hands along with those legal briefs.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Donjulio
Second I don't know of a single person in a real estate deal I was involved in who "LOST" a property yet. |
I waited a day to respond to this, since I had already beat up DonJulio enough for one day, and he said he was leaving. Just to make the record clear,
quite a few buyers at his El Dorado Ranch in San Felipe have just "walked away" from their property and let it revert back to Pat Butler. You can read
about it on the Yahoo El Dorado Ranch message board here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eldoradoranch/
The lesson learned is to be careful who you listen to and who you believe. Mexico is full of zopilotes (buzzards).
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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Bajahowodd
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Get Your Facts Straight
| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
Well, I suppose most people here did not read the newstory about these four TJ cops, as it was in Spanish. They pulled over the cab the Korean was
riding in with their marked patrol units, which have an identification number painted on them, just like NOB. They demanded to see the ID of the
Korean and took his wallet and removed all his money from it. The taxicab driver remembered the ID numbers of the patrol units and later positively
ID'd the four.
Had this happened NOB, these guys would have been found guilty in a court of law no matter what they said, so torture would be unnecessary. It
probably would have taken about a year to go through the legal process. In Mexico, there are no trials in the real sense. Lawyers pass briefs to
judges who review them in their office and rule on what they read. The most expedient way to resolve a case is to present a confession to a judge. It
really cuts down on the paperwork. So, the Mexican criminal jurisprudence system is designed to exact confessions. All those narcotrafficers who have
been arrested recently, you never read about a trial. And they are all sentenced to jail within a couple of weeks of their arrest.
As for Bajaguy's post about US torture, there is something to keep in mind. Statements made under tortures are inadmissible in a US court. Not one
statement of those waterboarded rug merchants was ever entered at a trial. The information was only used to prevent planned attacks on the US. Khalid
Sheikh Mohammed, the confessed mastermind of 911, did not confess to that under torture. He confessed to that gladly and willingly way before the
waterboarding. He wanted to be a martyr and a hero. He was waterboarded to gain information about other planned attacks on the US, and it worked. He
told the CIA about another planned attack on the Library Towers in Los Angeles, and the plot was broken up. |
http://www.slate.com/id/2216601/
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Get your facts straight |
Howodd, since when is an op-ed piece by a newspaper writer a fact? Read the story. The author does not introduce even one expert in security to
support his contention. Not one, Howodd. Nada. Zip, Zilch. Bupkiss.
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