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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
Well, my take on this.
Family was portrayed as an average Mexican family with the husband ,at one time, from a rich one. Looking at the "Hacienda" style house they lived in,
the buildings (school) they built on their acreage, the domestic and other help they employed, try telling this to the average Mexican. Even to me
they would qualify as "very well-to-do".
Also, their new domicile in the States would attest to that.
Also, there was actually never any referrence to how these folks made a living. Their lifestyle would appeal to most folks.
This doesn't take away from the horror of the event, the cruelty of the captors, nor the ineptness of law enforcement, but, realisticly, doesn't much
apply to the common man.
Anyway, being in that area of the country for 2 weeks next month, I told my better half, "No matter what happens"
"DON"T PAY THE RANSOM" 
[Edited on 3-6-2010 by vandenberg] |
Very well said. Their lifestyle was not the average lifestyle. It was an interesting show and it always amazes me how cruel the human race can be.
Now as far as you go, would it be like a remake of "Ruthless People"? It was a great movie and while kidnapping is not funny, that movie was
hilarious.
And when you are there, you might be interested it driving out to Pozos---as of a couple of years ago, it was just beginning to be restored and
outside of the town there are the ruins of many old Spanish Haciendas. Interesting place and is all that area.
BTW, I fell asleep before the end of the show----the commercials come closer together toward the end.
[Edited on 3-6-2010 by DianaT]
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Yeah- it wasn't what I expected either... on a couple levels. As others have posted, this was far from being anything a day tourist or something the
average Mexican would run into. These people were targeted and watched closely for a long time- even her weird name (Jayne) was spelled correctly by
the kidnappers.
They claimed they had no money for the ransom and built their home little by little from ruins. It was a beautiful hacienda with servants and a
charter school on the grounds they set up for like-minded parents in the area. You know many people who add a school to their compound and still
claim to be poor? The wife sold "everything of value she could" including his prized horses and raised just $20K- yet she had a chartered helicopter
standing by for the rescue. A couple anonymouse friends eventually put up a six-figure ransom. The kidnapped man was a regular on local talk shows-
but no one missed him for 6 months? The couple never went public locally so no one knew he had been kidnapped.
The story claimed a brand new hammer left inside the smashed kidnap window was a "calling card" for a specific uber-violent kidnap gang. That gang
routinely cut off fingers- this guy got shot in the thigh and bicep- both times passing straight through the skin without hitting bone or anything
vital. It wasn't the hammer gang who took them or he would have been called lefty and would not have lasted six months.
They allluded that federal police were behind the whole thing and were even the ones who took the ransom money in Mexico CIty and kidnapped the
money-drop guy they sent (also a federal agent disguised as a college-student type). OK- that's probably true.
They hid in the USA for two years- doing what? And then they returned to lavish parties and their friends back in Mexico. They finaly left their
Mexican hacienda for good after his private rail car was vandalized while the Dateline film crew was there filming the show. That could have been
done by anyone who didn't like an American camera crew bringing shame to their city. Their house was in perfect conditon after sitting empty for two
years (unless the paid that domestic staff to watch it- and then it still would have been emptied by then). Why the rail car and not the house?
As i watched this (yes it was hard with all the commercials and repeat information), nothing added up and it created more questions than it resolved
for me. Who is the Mexican kidnapped guy and what does he do to have a hacienda, private school, beautiful horses a private rail car- but no job or
family money? The wife worked as an actress years ago- but she claimed to "only have the little money we have in our checking accounts".
I don't get it...
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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I didn't see it, but I don't understand why everybody is breathing a sigh of relief. The lifestyle described here is very typical of Americans who
have retired in Mexico. So, why does everybody think it is a special situation distant from them?
Vandenberg lives in an upscale golf course condo in Napolo. How different does he appear to a typical Mexican mucoso than the people in the story? You
people are just rationalizing.
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I'll wait for the movie to come out. One thing for sure, Babe the wife can thank Gawd she wasn't snatched. [ooops....wrong word?]
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There You Go Again
| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
I didn't see it, but I don't understand why everybody is breathing a sigh of relief. The lifestyle described here is very typical of Americans who
have retired in Mexico. So, why does everybody think it is a special situation distant from them?
Vandenberg lives in an upscale golf course condo in Napolo. How different does he appear to a typical Mexican mucoso than the people in the story? You
people are just rationalizing. |
Seriously. You post many relevant issues on this forum. I just don't fathom why you need to get into personal stuff. I suppose that many of us with an
IQ above the triple digit line, could easily determine where *** lives. But to constantly post this sort of information about numerous board members
only makes sense if one were to conclude that you had a major personality disorder. Go ahead and flame me if you wish. But in all the time I've been
hanging around here, I have to conclude that you have posted much more relevant and important info, that becomes diminished by your personal attacks.
I understand that this post was not particularly revealing. But it still takes it's place with some of the more blatant ones. I love much of what you
post. Informative and relevant. Why not try and stifle that itch that puts you over the line? And for the record, it's Noplolo.
[Edited on 3-7-2010 by Bajahowodd]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
And for the record, it's Noplolo.
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Whooooops. I'll say it before A-Head gets ahold of it. NOPOLO. You owe me one.
[Edited on 3-7-2010 by DENNIS]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Seriously. You post many relevant issues on this forum. I just don't fathom why you need to get into personal stuff. |
OK, Howodd, let me understand where you are coming from. You are upset because I said Ed lives in Nopolo, even though he has it clearly displayed
under his avatar in 3,253 places on this message board?
Here's another unknown about Ed. He puts his pants on one leg at a time.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
I didn't see it, but I don't understand why everybody is breathing a sigh of relief. The lifestyle described here is very typical of Americans who
have retired in Mexico. So, why does everybody think it is a special situation distant from them?
Vandenberg lives in an upscale golf course condo in Napolo. How different does he appear to a typical Mexican mucoso than the people in the story? You
people are just rationalizing. |
No kidnapping is acceptable and I don't want to come off sounding like blaming the victim. I was disappointed that if they were going to accuse the
federal police of doing the crime from start to finish- why not just come out and say it and then back it up with something more than: a new hammer, a
hostage with no missing fingers and a police car hanging around the ransom drop-site. But once you do accuse them of the crime- it's time to leave
Mexico and the trashed train car (the only thing left of his family fortune) was what they used to explain that. And where was HIS family in all of
this- nowhere. No mention. His father was the "Randolph Hearst of Mexico" (her words) and not a peep out of them or a peso of support? The pieces
just didn't fit well with me.
[Edited on 3-7-2010 by Woooosh]
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Looks like the video is up on the MSNBC website.
Aqui son verdadero mexicanos, luchando por su patria.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/35730726#35732677
[Edited on 3-7-2010 by arrowhead]
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On the bright side of travel to Mexico... There was absolutely NO mention of Baja on the Today show Sunday about where in Mexico to safely send your
kids for spring break. They put up graphics about cartel activity that did not include Baja. They did not mention any Mexican resorts by name that
students should avoid- just common sense travel tips that would apply anywhere (travel in groups of at least three, do not leave resort areas, watch
your drink, be careful who you associate with, make copies of travel documents). So it's not an NBC conspiracy for Spring Breakers at least...
It was interesting the security guy interviewed (from livesecure.org) mentioned many experts thought Mexico could become a narco-state within a few
years. He said the "armies" of the two major cartels (100,000) was almost as big as the Mexican army itself (130,000). He went on to say Mexican
nationals deal with a host of security problems including kidnappings and specifically mentioned in February a priest was killed during a robbery and
a person had a hand grenade taped around his neck. I don't know if any of that is accurate- but it's what they reported.
[Edited on 3-7-2010 by Woooosh]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
just common sense travel tips that would apply anywhere (travel in groups of at least three, do not leave resort areas, watch your drink, be careful
who you associate with, make copies of travel documents). |
Amazing how things have changed. When I had to prepare for spring break in Mexico, my most thoughtful consideration was how often I was going to get
layed.
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i say the guy himself was behind it hoping to get $$ from HIS side of their extended family.
a plot that failed.
the harmless flesh wound gun shots and lack of REAL separated digits clues me in.
even Clyde Barrow took off a toe himself just to get out of a work detail...
Dateline got suckered.
a foolish storyline. a soap opera like plot. Fodder to propigate the "mexico is a dangerous place" myth people will watch like so much Weekly World
News articles...and advertizers will support by buying air time.
there are plenty of rico legitimate American expat targets living in Miguel Allende, Alamos Sonora and Guadalajara before settling in on this Antonio
Banderas look alike wanna be...
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
i say the guy himself was behind it hoping to get $$ from HIS side of their extended family. a plot that failed.
the harmless flesh wound gun shots and lack of REAL separated digits clues me in. |
Mike if you wear this hat, it will stop the government from reading your thoughts.
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With some of the crap they've pulled in the past, I don't find Dateline credible, they're not know for their journalistic integrity.
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True Enough
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With some of the crap they've pulled in the past, I don't find Dateline credible, they're not know for their journalistic integrity.
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20/20 falls into the same category, but it's especially true at Dateline since they have to do several hours a week AND attract an audience. Much of
it is also due to the fact that they can fill those hours at a much lower cost than using entertainment shows.
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Nope
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Seriously. You post many relevant issues on this forum. I just don't fathom why you need to get into personal stuff. |
OK, Howodd, let me understand where you are coming from. You are upset because I said Ed lives in Nopolo, even though he has it clearly displayed
under his avatar in 3,253 places on this message board?
Here's another unknown about Ed. He puts his pants on one leg at a time.
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Obviously, everyone can plainly see where Ed lives. I was referring to this:
"Vandenberg lives in an upscale golf course condo in Napolo. How different does he appear to a typical Mexican mucoso than the people in the story?
You people are just rationalizing."
On the other hand, maybe I was feeling a bit testy at the time. PAX.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
"Vandenberg lives in an upscale golf course condo in Napolo. How different does he appear to a typical Mexican mucoso than the people in the story?
You people are just rationalizing."
On the other hand, maybe I was feeling a bit testy at the time. PAX.
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PAX. Ed has mentioned here exactly what condo he lives in and how to find it on several occasions. I did not go into that detail.
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Napolo! that's classic. love it!
edit to get used to this new spelling
[Edited on 3-7-2010 by flyfishinPam]
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Style points deducted for bad spelling??
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
Ed has mentioned here exactly what condo he lives in and how to find it on several occasions. I did not go into that detail. |
Like to know how you came up with that one.
I wouldn't live in a condo/townhouse if you gave me one.
BTW, I still have a panga for sale. Had several folks interested, but had to go north on some business and couldn't follow up.
Back now though.
And for more personal inf. my phone # 613 133-0343.
No kidnappers.
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