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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
guess what? the current trend of 70% less murders is still holding, ouch! |
There is not now, nor had there been a 70% reduction in murders in TJ.
Come to terms, Jesse. Come to terms.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
So whats your point arrowhead? still working hard trying to diminish the recent gains in lowering murders huh? guess what? the current trend of 70%
less murders is still holding, ouch! |
jessie:
wishing so doesn't make it so.
don't believe any statistic about crime in Mexico. The govt that collects the data and issues the stats is either (1) on payroll of cartel, or (2)
desperately trying to put lipstick on a pig. Neither motivation makes for honest statistics.
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arrowhead
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Another "mythbuster"
Murder rate San Diego: 4.3 per 100,000
Murder rate New York: 6.3 per 100,000
Mruder rate Hawaii: 2.0 per 100,000
Murder rate Los Angeles: 10.0 per 100,000
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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Donjulio
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http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur-crime-murders
Hmmmm - looks like US loses on this one.
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Donjulio
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OMG and US more corrupt than Mexico? How can that be?
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_cor-government-corrupt...
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Donjulio
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Oh Goodness and more rapes? How can that possibly be?
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes
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Donjulio
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Well gosh and 10,000,000 more total crimes? I am sure it is just a matter of reporting.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-cr...
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
So whats your point arrowhead? still working hard trying to diminish the recent gains in lowering murders huh? guess what? the current trend of 70%
less murders is still holding, ouch! |
A low murder number would be nice, but TJ needs that "business went down 95%" number to improve because that is economic recovery. Once people
believe that the crime and murder number is truly lower, the tourist numbers will increase and the TJ/Rosarito economy will stabilize. People don't
believe numbers anywhere these days- even if they are good ones. When they can see TJ and Rosarito busy with tourists with their own eyes, they will
know it is safe to visit, spend and invest again. |
A few restaurant owners friends of mine in TJ say business is a little better. The first to come back are usually the Mexican americans, and long time
Tijuana residents who fled to SD. I am actually starting to consider in doing something in TJ if things stay the way they are for the reminder of the
year. |
My family wants to open a restaurant too. I know I can get it up and running for them. The only thing we can't figure out is the security aspect- how
to get the cash form the restaurant to the bank safely. If we opened a "gringo diner" that catered also to American tastes- how would we keep it from
being a place gringos were targeted for robbery after they left. It would be a shame to work hard every day and then have some organized thugs take
it from you every day. Kind of like the schoolyard bully who shakes all the other kids down for their lunch money...
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Woooosh
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So why then are 11 million Mexicans still thriving there and paying $5000 for a panga ride in? Are you saying your people are stupid and moved from
safety to danger? You must call each one of them and warn them to come back to Mexico for their own safety and a better life for them and their
children. You have an unlimited long-distance plan don't you?
You should also consider just foil-lining the dunce-cap you are wearing. No need to have a full tin-foil hat on your head to show everyone you are
nuts- just foil line it so you can keep that secret to yourself.
[Edited on 3-20-2010 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Murder rates equate to gun availability. Guns are very efficient. Nunchucks or butter knives much less so. Oh, but I forgot, we couldn't have anywhere
near the freedom we enjoy if guns were controlled. My bad. I've been through this argument before. YOU should not trust me with a hand gun. Just as i
cannot trust you. YOU may be subject to fits of violence. You may be emotionally unstable. Perhaps that description applies to me as well. Point is
that a handgun in particular, is an amazingly efficient lethal weapon. Have mucho feliz killing each other.
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howodd
i will enjoy killing anyone who thinks they are entitled to, or just feel the need to do harm to anyone under my roof or try to rob me of my stuff. in
a perfect world i don't want to hurt anyone, but given the choice of turning the other cheek when some POS tweeker appears in my bedroom at midnight
or seeing the effects of 12 guage buckshot on the his mid section, i'll take the later.
i'm just sayin'
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So, you're saying that you trust me, a perfect stranger, with having a gun, even as our paths cross? Don't want to get to didactic here, but if you
compare murder rates around the world, the stats generally support the idea that in countries with either strong handgun controls, or even bans,
murder rates are lower. Sure, guns provide individuals with a sense of security. But they also make it so much easier to inflict a lethal wound.
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
guess what? the current trend of 70% less murders is still holding, ouch! |
There is not now, nor had there been a 70% reduction in murders in TJ.
Come to terms, Jesse. Come to terms. |
Again your responses show your biased attempts to ignore FACTS. Yes, 196 murders this year, of wich 188 happened in January and February BEFORE Teo's
cell was destroyed. How many murders since then? 8
8 to 10 murders in 20 days, for a city that's used to seeing 8 in one day. Only an idiot would ignore that trend.
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
So whats your point arrowhead? still working hard trying to diminish the recent gains in lowering murders huh? guess what? the current trend of 70%
less murders is still holding, ouch! |
jessie:
wishing so doesn't make it so.
don't believe any statistic about crime in Mexico. The govt that collects the data and issues the stats is either (1) on payroll of cartel, or (2)
desperately trying to put lipstick on a pig. Neither motivation makes for honest statistics. |
Its not about statistics alone, its about friends and family feeling more secure, its about business owners feeling an improvement in their sales, its
about crime reporting websites who are extremely critical of the goverment, not reporting any news in days, rather than reporting murders and crimes
by he hour.
I will say it again, since Teo's gang was destroyed, in the middle of February, murders have gone down 70%. I AM NOT ANALIZING PAST MURDERS, I AM NOT
LOOKING AT YEARLY RATES, all i am saying, is that there where 118 or so murders in January, perhaps 50 or so in February, and theres about 10 this
month.
Why would anyone ignore those facts, is beyond me, unless they have a personal agenda.
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Donjulio
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
So why then are 11 million Mexicans still thriving there and paying $5000 for a panga ride in? Are you saying your people are stupid and moved from
safety to danger? You must call each one of them and warn them to come back to Mexico for their own safety and a better life for them and their
children. You have an unlimited long-distance plan don't you?
You should also consider just foil-lining the dunce-cap you are wearing. No need to have a full tin-foil hat on your head to show everyone you are
nuts- just foil line it so you can keep that secret to yourself.
[Edited on 3-20-2010 by Woooosh] |
Really dumb argument but I had to comment on the "your people" part. I was born and raised in the US. Born in New York as a matter of fact. I am not
even part Mexican but I tell you what, I'd rather hang out with most Mexicans than the gringos any day.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
You should also consider just foil-lining the dunce-cap you are wearing. |
Mink would be nice. That fake stuff of course. Very classy.
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Well, the bottom line is time will tell and I'm hopeing for a big improvement.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Donjulio
but I tell you what, I'd rather hang out with most Mexicans than the gringos any day. |
What Gringos are you talking about?
What Mexicans are you talking about?
Seems you have a penchant for choosing people by race.
Are you a racist...like you accused me of being?
I'm not a racist, but it appears you are.
Why are you like that, jewelio? You know we're all equal.
Contain yourself, you loser racist. Repent Repent Repent. Your admitted sins have shown your true color.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by torch
Well, the bottom line is time will tell and I'm hopeing for a big improvement. |
What the *** are you talking about?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Repent Repent Repent. |
Repent? Maybe he hasn't pented yet. Cut him some slack. He just found out about the Rothschild family. Rome wasn't built in a day.
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