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Doug/Vamonos
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I must be missing something here. When I stop for fuel I tell the attendant to fill er up. The pump pumps until the tank fills. The number of liters
are listed, as is the price in pesos. How can this be any less accurate than telling the attendant to stop at 100 liters? Or, how can it be any less
accurate if I tell him I want 500 pesos worth?
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BajaDanD
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it wont be In the us gas pumps are inspected and tested for accuracy in volume and octane
Stations post prices and by law they have to be accurate. Because of compitition laws. and fraud. Im Mexice the price is fixed by the guvernment and
some station owners try ways to make a little extra the amout is minnimal and if its a few sentavos I dont care maybe he made enough $$ throught the
day to feed his famiely.
When I go to Baja I buy gas when I need it dont pay much attention about the price I want my tank full I make sure the meter gets zeroed before
pumping
Im not going to Baja just to buy gas. Im going to go fishin and boating and swimming and hiking and exploreing
[Edited on 5-28-2010 by BajaDanD]
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Doug I don't know how they did "it" but because of a loophole within the dispenser computer you can order 20 liters of Magna or 182 pesos of Magna and
get different amounts of delivery even though the math says that they should be the same.
PROFECO marches into a gasolinera and asks the attendant to deliver 20 liters into a test measure. It had better be correct. End of test.
There is so many tens of millions of dollars to be "made" off of squeezing five to ten percent more money out of each liter of gas that a very savy
underground delivers modification material and techniques to unscrupulous owners of gasolineras.
When money quantity rather than liters is entered into a dial pad it bypasses the protocol used to ensure accurate liter delivery. The "error" is not
subtle.
A person may just wish to continue to order peso quantities or "Fill Er Up". That is their right. I however do not wish to add a (sometimes) TEN
DOLLAR TAX on to my filling of my tank of gasoline thank you.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
Doug I don't know how they did "it" but because of a loophole within the dispenser computer you can order 20 liters of Magna or 182 pesos of Magna and
get different amounts of delivery even though the math says that they should be the same.
PROFECO marches into a gasolinera and asks the attendant to deliver 20 liters into a test measure. It had better be correct. End of test.
There is so many tens of millions of dollars to be "made" off of squeezing five to ten percent more money out of each liter of gas that a very savy
underground delivers modification material and techniques to unscrupulous owners of gasolineras.
When money quantity rather than liters is entered into a dial pad it bypasses the protocol used to ensure accurate liter delivery. The "error" is not
subtle.
A person may just wish to continue to order peso quantities or "Fill Er Up". That is their right. I however do not wish to add a (sometimes) TEN
DOLLAR TAX on to my filling of my tank of gasoline thank you. |
Wow... welcome back Dah-veed!
Today, we will be going to the Pemex station you found and reported to be the most honest in Baja... many years ago... Baja Cactus in EL ROSARIO!
I am correct, it IS you David, here next to El Jefe at my Viva Baja party in May, 2001, verdad???
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dtutko1
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In La Paz there are gas stations that have billboards advertising "Litros Complete". If you're interested, look in the arcives of the baja western
onion for a report from a canadian who took a scale and gas container to several stations and measured delivery of gas. His results varied from full
liters to 15% errors.
Dorado Don
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ncampion
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Common knowledge by the locals that one station is honest and others aren't, you can tell by the lines. I did recently have one station put 24
liters in my 19 liter container and a different station put 21 in the same container. I usualllly don't worry about it except when I'm putting 150
gallons in my boat.
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surebought
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I stand by my statements on this thread. The dudes that don't care I suppose are the same dudes you see sitting around Caliente trying to beat an
Electronic Slot Machine. They're an embarasment to the rest of US and should probably be forgotten . A lot of people from the US believe that being on
guard all the time is just part of the Baja thrill. Some people just go with the flow and don't put up any shields at all. Some choose to wander
through life like they did in the States. You can fake your way through life in the States. Get a job, raise a family, buy a house, without knowing
anything at all, sort of like Homer Simpson. If you come down here and live like that, there might not be such a happy Hollywood ending. Here there
is a constant conspiracy against the haves by the have nots in sometimes some very devious and less obvious ways. It should be an excuse for US to
stay strong down here and put up a more united front. But some of the Strong get worned down by their constant repeating of the word: no, and they
give in too easily. I don't mind so much, because I have stayed ahead of it all by being me. Some of US have blown fortunes down here by thinking
that they are smarter than the locals. Everything gone except Social Security. It would make me triste if I really cared, which I don't. One guy
asked one of the locals that hanged around the Trailer Park where he lived, to go get his car washed and handed him the keys. A year later they find
four Kilos of marijuana in his spare tire at the border. Even the border guards didn't believe that this pathetic old gringo was really a Drug
Smuggler. But he was, a major Smuggler, and he didn't even know it or benefit from it. Every week 4 Kilos in his spare tire. LOL
In a while the smile on my face turned to plaster.
Stick around while the clown who is sick, does the trick of disaster. Neil Young from Mr Soul.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by surebought
I stand by my statements on this thread. The dudes that don't care I suppose are the same dudes you see sitting around Caliente trying to beat an
Electronic Slot Machine. They're an embarasment to the rest of US and should probably be forgotten . A lot of people from the US believe that being on
guard all the time is just part of the Baja thrill. Some people just go with the flow and don't put up any shields at all. Some choose to wander
through life like they did in the States. You can fake your way through life in the States. Get a job, raise a family, buy a house, without knowing
anything at all, sort of like Homer Simpson. If you come down here and live like that, there might not be such a happy Hollywood ending. Here there
is a constant conspiracy against the haves by the have nots in sometimes some very devious and less obvious ways. It should be an excuse for US to
stay strong down here and put up a more united front. But some of the Strong get worned down by their constant repeating of the word: no, and they
give in too easily. I don't mind so much, because I have stayed ahead of it all by being me. Some of US have blown fortunes down here by thinking
that they are smarter than the locals. Everything gone except Social Security. It would make me triste if I really cared, which I don't. One guy
asked one of the locals that hanged around the Trailer Park where he lived, to go get his car washed and handed him the keys. A year later they find
four Kilos of marijuana in his spare tire at the border. Even the border guards didn't believe that this pathetic old gringo was really a Drug
Smuggler. But he was, a major Smuggler, and he didn't even know it or benefit from it. Every week 4 Kilos in his spare tire. LOL
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Some of US have blown fortunes down here by thinking that they are smarter than the locals.
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That we have seen, and I would agree that there are those who make a game and a living by scoring as much as they can from the visiting gringos, and
some who expect more from the resident gringos who they view as the "haves" ------ but for the others, an embarrassment? Homer Simpson over this
issue?
We watch for the zeros and fill it up. If we obviously get short changed, we speak up.
I would agree with your statement in some ways, but I really don't see that those who disagree with you on this issue are necessarily headed toward
being Homeresque. 
[Edited on 5-28-2010 by DianaT]
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
Don't you love it, worry about gas station rip offs, crooked cops, Federalies, etc. I've always enjoyed Baja, but I just finally got back from 3 weeks
in Hawaii, it was like heaven, warm and friendly people, warm air, warm water and no rip offs, no trash, and no graffiti, nice for a change.
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....and very expensive
Bob Durrell
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paul r
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... gassed!...
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Dave
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To whom?
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT If we obviously get short changed, we speak up.
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And...how far do you think that's gonna get you?
I find it telling about Mexican society that there could be examples of competing stations...One known to be corrupt...Yet still in operation. 
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Have and have nots? Never ran into this down here. But I have encountered lots of "Have and Want More".
Time to go tend to the mangos, pineapples, cantaloupe, watermelon, anonas, and coconut palms. Daytime high 88, night time low 75.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT If we obviously get short changed, we speak up.
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And...how far do you think that's gonna get you?
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Actually it has worked quite well---only had a real problem with asking once and that was in Nogalas on the mainland. Maybe the other times were an
honest mistake, so no problem.
[Edited on 5-29-2010 by DianaT]
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Cypress
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If you're overcharged for fuel what are you gonna do? Refuse to pay? File charges for fraud? Take 'em to court? Pescador and ncampion's take on the
issue is in tune with the real world.
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1bobo
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Here behind the redwood curtain we're used to being ripped off- just filled @ $3.21/gal regular, so ANYWHERE else is cheaper. Even if the meters at
the Pemex are fixed, I'm still getting a deal there. Life's too short to sweat the small stuff.
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
If you're overcharged for fuel what are you gonna do? Refuse to pay? File charges for fraud? Take 'em to court? Pescador and ncampion's take on the
issue is in tune with the real world. |
Totally agree with that ... who ya gona call, Ghost Busters  .... Ya gotta tip more... my price keeps going down and I'm getting more fuel ...
and my windows are cleaner tii... plus one guy offered to share his breakfest burrito his mom had made for him... looked really good.. 
Agree don't sweat the small stuff... its all good..
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Bajahowodd
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$3.21?
| Quote: | Originally posted by 1bobo
Here behind the redwood curtain we're used to being ripped off- just filled @ $3.21/gal regular, so ANYWHERE else is cheaper. Even if the meters at
the Pemex are fixed, I'm still getting a deal there. Life's too short to sweat the small stuff. |
Just to put a little leavening into this thread, things are somewhat out of control NOB, too. Regular near Disneyland right now is $2.89. I guess you
have a higher quality product up there in NW CA.
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cj5orion
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mulegejim
My idea is when I get to the Pemex station I have some pesos and the station has some fuel and when I leave I have less pesos but more fuel and the
Pemex has less fuel but more pesos. Other than that, not much I can do about it except get higher blood pressure and more gray hair. Too many other
things in life to worry me - some of which I may be able to do something about. Jim |
DITTO !
fill it up...take my money...I'm going fishin ~!!!!
Home Remodels/Builds..Recession!
Gone BAJA BUILDIN/FISHIN !
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
| Quote: | Originally posted by 1bobo
Here behind the redwood curtain we're used to being ripped off- just filled @ $3.21/gal regular, so ANYWHERE else is cheaper. Even if the meters at
the Pemex are fixed, I'm still getting a deal there. Life's too short to sweat the small stuff. |
Just to put a little leavening into this thread, things are somewhat out of control NOB, too. Regular near Disneyland right now is $2.89. I guess you
have a higher quality product up there in NW CA. |
According to an interview with a NoCal refinery spokesman, people in the SF bay area happily pay more for gas than the SoCal people because they are
more sophisticated
Bob Durrell
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Bajatripper
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As someone who was raised in Southern Baja and has either been living in Mexico or traveling here frequently for almost 50 years, I've long ago
accepted that crooked gas stations (as continuously documented by PROFECA) are part of the "adventure." Sure, you can raise a stink, but really, what
good will it do? The guy you are yelling at probably doesn't even see any of the "excess profit." If complaints were effective, one of the first gas
stations to open for business in La Paz, at Cinco de Mayo and Aquiles Serdan, would have been closed a long time ago.
I do agree, however, that change should ALWAYS be counted carefully. Many Pemex employees (as well as cashiers in general) will test foreigners'
dominance and understanding of their currency--to put it diplomatically.
About the only time I had complete trust that the amount of gas I was getting was what was being paid for was during our family's travels on the old
Baja road, when one bought gas at ranches, where it was served out of five-gallon army cans. Not much room for fudging there. Of course, they could
pretty much charge whatever they chose as one didn't have many options back then.
Steve
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