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BAJA.DESERT.RAT
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Hola, vandenberg stated the fine was $ 1,000.00 in $ 100.00 bills. sounds to me like it was in DOLLARS, NOT PESOS !
please clarify as 1,000 pesos is really minimal IF any laws were broken.
the federales seem to be very specific in their demands. TEN $ 100.00 BILLS ! maybe it's easier for them to divide amongst each other, dollars or
pesos ? if it were dollars, that's quite a wad of money to be carrying around, especially while fishing, unless you have deep pockets.
without receiving a citation and getting a receipt, i would also be of the same mindset as bajabass that the fee/fine/mordida was pocketed.
they always have you by the short hairs if you are scheduled for a flight out and don't and possibly can't take the time to dispute things.
perhaps that is why they are pulling people over in san jose del cabo's airport, FOR MORDIDA, as usually people arrive within the prescribed time
frame for departures and cannot confront their accuser ( s ) in a formal setting ? and these are federal officers !
i am sure that it will be another item detrimental to the tourist industry ! just what we need ! shooting themselves in the foot may bring in more
financial gain for the very few dishonest officials and without any consideration that word of mouth travels quickly and would do the harm to the
businesses and the workers that would get crushed by the domino effect.
BIEN SALUD, DA RAT
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Bob and Susan
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until someone "stands up" and says this was ME...
this is just another "urban myth" period
you can't speculate about this because it probably is UNTRUE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
bajabass "beware! I had a immigration employee tag me for 1000 pesos at the La Paz airport, and pocket it."
you shouldn't say this..
you don't really know he pocketed it
your fine for being illegal is $1000 pesos
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I fully agree I was wrong in not obtaining my FMM as I walked across. I was taken
to an office where I was given an FMM and a bogus receipt for 1000 pesos. Paid to the imm. employee. A friend thought it was strange not to pay at a
bank. Went to the office on the malecon. 45 minutes later, my 2 500 peso notes, tri-folded and damp, were taken to the office and returned to me by
apologetic employees. I then filled out another form, went to the bank, paid 840 pesos total, returned to the office, and got a legitiment FMM. I was
told you NEVER pay at the office, ALWAYS at a bank. True, I did not see the money enter a pocket, but it sure was damp!!! My reciept and FMM were not
legit. I was wrong, and it will not happen again. Just a heads up for anyone who makes a similar mistake. If you do not pay at the bank, your
paperwork may not be legal. If it were not for a more knowledgable friend, I never would have figured it out.
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BAJA.DESERT.RAT
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Hola, bob & susan, yes, many things are passed along and they may be embellished gossip or as you call them, urban myths or they may well be
totally factual and assist others to keep them out of trouble or harms way.
we hear many things second hand and pass them along but if we were only allowed " first person " reporting, i would imagine we would have very short
threads and unfortunately, information wouldn't be passed along to others that my benefit from it.
fishing citations, mordida stops in constitucion, and the asking for registration and drivers licenses and proof of insurance driving into and out of
the san jose del cabo airport, radar stops between los barriles and the san jose del cabo airport, alerting travelers of construction on hiways,
bridges out, etc., etc.
yes, " urban myths " abound but we most usually take things with a grain of salt until validated.
BIEN SALUD, DA RAT
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BAJA.DESERT.RAT
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POSTED BY BAJABASS
The law in CA is you must leave a one square inch of skin on each fillet for I.D. Just gill, gut, and bleed all kept fish, within the limits of
course. If you can, pack the body cavity with ice, chills faster, better. As far as mordida goes, beware! I had a immigration employee tag me for 1000
pesos at the La Paz airport, and pocket it.
Hola, your adddition to the thread said nothing about your illegal immigration situation as the thread was regarding filleting fish and was TOTALLY
misleading.
i would hope people would be more explicit in their postings so as not to give clarification regarding another situation at a later time.
SORRY....
BIEN SALUD, DA RAT
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bajabass
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Simply relaying the fact that fines do not always go where they should, and possible repurcussions. Sorry, I will be clearer in the future.
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The filleting fish onboard regulation is:
4.14 Los organismos capturados al amparo de permisos de pesca deportivo recreativa, no podrán filetearse a bordo de las embarcaciones utilizadas.
To me, that reads no filleting and is silent about "cleaning." Just like Osprey, I carry a copy of the rules onboard so they can show me which one
they want to enforce. This can potentially save a lot of misunderstandings if the inspectors haven't read the text lately.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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Santiago
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Where can a copy of the regs be had?
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BAJA.DESERT.RAT
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Hola, here are two blurbs from bajaponyexpress3 that gives another situation and also the fishing regulations.
BIEN SALUD, DA RAT
FISHING IN THE SEA OF CORTEZ
a. Note reference Loreto Marine Park laws:
The laws out of Loreto for fishing or even being in the Marine Park are draconian, and were influenced heavily by Americans who wanted Mexico to apply
"no use" laws in the marine park. Anyone, EVERYONE who is in the marine park needs to pay a daily fee and have a permit; anyone, EVERYONE in a boat,
even if only one person is fishing, needs a Mexican fishing license, PLUS the daily marine park fee; You are not allowed to anchor your boat anywhere
in the Preserve; you are not allowed to land and walk on any of the islands; you are not allowed to clean your fish on the water in the park (as if
fish guts would be BAD for the ecosystem?); and the list goes on. The laws have been in effect for years and years, but they have not been able to
patrol or enforce the laws to date, but it looks like they are, now. Truth be told, the old Baja is NOT the way it used to be, and in this economy, it
seems like everyone down there has their hand out. Almost always, you are just fine if you are fishing with an established Mexican fleet anywhere in
the Baja, and in Loreto, I know that Arturo's Sportfishing is fine. But private boaters are definitely a target. Take care everywhere down there. Bill
Karr, Western Outdoor News.
b. After reading today’s posting about a sportfisher being boarded in Loreto, I thought it might be helpful to offer a little “refresher” on Mexican
fishing regulations. Here is a link to Conapesca’s official fishing regulations page: http://www.conapescasandiego.org/contenido.cfm? cont=REGULATIONS. It is short and sweet and very clear. As for the incident in Loreto, the regs
clearly state that “fish caught under a sportfishing license may not be filleted aboard the vessel from which it was caught.” This point is listed
under “ VIOLATIONS”. I understand that a VIOLATION can result in your boat being confiscated by the government, so be sure to follow the regs! Julie
c. Mexican Sport Fishing Regulations state:
"Fish caught under a sport fishing license may not be filleted aboard the vessel from which it was caught."
Mexico’s National Aquaculture and Fishing Commission (CONAPESCA) welcomes you to practice and enjoy sport fishing in our inland and ocean waters.
Read and print all the Mexican sport fishing regulations here:
http://www.conapescasandiego.com/contenido.cfm?cont=REGULATI...
Gracias
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HERE ARE THE REGULATIONS:
MEXICAN SPORTFISHING REGULATIONS
When operating a boat that carries fishing equipment in Mexican waters, it is necessary to hold a valid fishing license for everybody aboard the boat,
regardless of age and whether fishing or not. A Fishing License is not required when fishing from land.
Only one rod or line with hook is permitted in the water, per person, but there is no restriction regarding the number of replacement items.
A fishing license allows to capture only fin fish. It does not allow to capture any other mollusks or crustaceans, and their capture by anyone is
strictly prohibited. Totuava, turtles and marine mammals are under protection of the Ministry and may not be captured at any time.
To capture bottom fish, up to four hooks on a vertical line may be used.
The use of electric reels is restricted to disabled fishermen only, after written authorization for the Ministry before use.
BAG AND POSSESSION LIMITS
In ocean waters and estuaries the limit is a total of ten fish per person per day, with no more than 5 catches of a single specie, except of the
species of Marlin, Sailfish, Swordfish and Shark, of which only one specimen from this group is allowed per day, and which counts a five toward the
overall 10 fish limit, or Dorado, Roosterfish, Shad, or Tarpon, of which only two samples from this group are allowed, and which count as five toward
the overall 10 fish limit.
Limit on inland bodies of water (rivers, lakes, dams, etc.) is five fish per day, whether of a single specie or in combination.
Underwater fishing is limited to five fish per day, using rubber band or spring type harpoons, and only while skindiving.
There is no limit to the practice of "catch and release", as long as the fish that exceed the bag limit be returned to their environment in good
survival condition.
Where sportfishing is conducted from boats out at sea for longer than three days, the bag limit will be the equivalent of three times the amounts
mentioned above.
VIOLATIONS
It is illegal to capture and maintain alive any fish for ornamental purposes.
It is prohibited to receive any financial gain from the product obtained through sportfishing.
It is prohibited to dump trash, litter or substances that harm the aquatic flora or fauna, whether on lakes, river banks, shores or oceanic waters.
It is prohibited to collect shells, corals, sea anemones and snails, or to disturb the original ecosystem environment.
It is prohibited to practice sportfishing 250 meters or less from swimmers.
It is prohibited to use artificial lighting to attract large quantities of fish.
It is prohibited to discharge firearms in Mexican waters.
Fish caught under a sportfishing license may not be filletted aboard the vessel from which it was caught
It is requested that all unusual activities, occurrences or record catches be reported to the nearest office of the Oficina de Pesca, or to its
representation in San Diego, CA., in order to ensure the preservation of natural resources for the continued enjoyment of all fishermen.
WE INVITE YOU TO PRACTICE
RESPONSIBLE SPORTFISHING!
Friday, June 04 2010 You can print the
License Request form
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Regulations
Click here
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And this is a problem????
Just follow the law. It's their country, we are visitors and guests.
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ok - so there's rules and regulations, and fines for breaking the laws. But what are the procedures for collecting the fines? Are you accused, tried,
judged and fined on the spot? That's the procedure? No recourse to dispute the charges? The federales demanded $1000 on the boat? Why would anyone
be carrying around that much money while fishing? But more important, what are the procedures for attempting to fine someone for breaking the fishing
regulations? And where are the amount of the fines (per violation, per fish) posted? I would like to hear from a government authority.
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BAJA.DESERT.RAT
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Hola Wilderone, here is some information that may guide you to a government authority regarding your inquiries. please post a followup.
also, is there a difference between filleting and cleaning ? would like to know if fish can be headed, tailed and gutted, not filleted.
BIEN SALUD, DA RAT
It is requested that all unusual activities, occurrences or record catches be reported to the nearest office of the Oficina de Pesca, or to its
representation in San Diego, CA., in order to ensure the preservation of natural resources for the continued enjoyment of all fishermen.
2550 Fifth Avenue # 15 San Diego, CA.92103 Ph: (619) 233-4324 Fax: (619) 233-0344
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"In the case of fish, fillets are generally obtained by slicing parallel to the spine, rather than perpendicular to the spine as is the case with
steaks. The remaining bones with the attached flesh is called the "frame", and is often used to make fish stock. As opposed to whole fish or fish
steaks, fillets do not contain the fish's backbone; they yield less flesh, but are easier to eat."
The procedures used by the enforcing officer, will most likely be site specific... to avoid fines and that situation.. don't filet the fish.. gutting
would not be filleting, by any reasonable person.. however, would imagine the official on the spot will make that call, based on a number of factors
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If you don't have $1,000 dollars on you... aahhhh anybody been arrested, had their boat sized, license revoked.. small children taken.. spam or beer
confiscated .. you know really bad things... 
Would suggest to say far way from site specific interpretations as possible.. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Just follow the law. It's their country, we are visitors and guests. |
No offense intended, Bajaguy, but your statement is a little simplistic when the law is not clear and is enforced arbitrarily.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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No big deal. It's not that complicated. Don't fillet your catch onboard. You can gut 'em and pack ice in the cavity. They only want to be able to
determine what and how many of any given species you've caught.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBruno
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Just follow the law. It's their country, we are visitors and guests. |
No offense intended, Bajaguy, but your statement is a little simplistic when the law is not clear and is enforced arbitrarily.
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You are correct......after all, it is Mexico. What may be the law and enforced today, is still the law and not enforced tomorrow..........
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
No big deal. It's not that complicated. Don't fillet your catch onboard. You can gut 'em and pack ice in the cavity. They only want to be able to
determine what and how many of any given species you've caught.
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BAJA.DESERT.RAT
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Hola, this was posted on the bajaponyexpress3 today:
FISHING REGS
Per Romeo, Head of the Los Cabos fish police:
You cannot filet fish on board.
You can gill and gut them.
still do not know if we can HEAD, gill & gut out on the water.
BIEN SALUD, DA RAT
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Cypress
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Cutting the head off? Could be probalmatic
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Bob and Susan
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here is a question...
if you are fileting...why do you want to cut the head off?
it seems easier to me with the head on
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