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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lookingandbuying
Is this not what we have today, as a reality?  |
Not quite yet. We're working on it though.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MsTerieus
Plus, I don't know how great a discount cartels could offer and still make good profits. |
I give up. You are one of the many here who are able to give yourself a colonoscopy without tools.
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Dave
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Nonsense
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Now, all we have left is to control the consumer. Too many to incarcerate so we have to legalize the product. |
Make the penalties onerous enough and recreational drug use would virtually disappear.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Make the penalties onerous enough and recreational drug use would virtually disappear. |
Impossible. We can't afford to disipline the lawbreakers we have now.
How will you impose onerous penalties? Where will you put everybody? Where will they get money to pay their fines?
What will you do with a country full of citizens with police records who can't qualify for credit or anything else? Who wants to hire a felon?
How do you propose to enact your tough method?
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lookingandbuying
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Don't think so...
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Now, all we have left is to control the consumer. Too many to incarcerate so we have to legalize the product. |
Make the penalties onerous enough and recreational drug use would virtually disappear. |
The current infastructure of jails is insufficient to house the existing clients. They even have a brand spanking new jail in Los Angeles that they
can not even open due to the lack of budget funds to hire staff!! Heard of "early" release?? What are we going to do give em all the death penalty
for being drug users to mitigate the overpopulation issue??
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BajaGringo
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I say we let Sheriff Joe Arpaio build a tent city the size of Rhode Island. With that we should be able to arrest and house all the pot smokers in LA
county...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lookingandbuying
What are we going to do give em all the death penalty for being drug users to mitigate the overpopulation issue?? |
Well...there we have it. The constructive beauty of thinking outside of the box.
I like it. It brings to mind the news video of the Saigon police chief disposing of a piece of garbage with his pistol. Very effective.
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Impossible. We can't afford to disipline the lawbreakers we have now.
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Stop arresting dealers. Free up the jail space for users.
If society were serious about it, recreational users would realize it wasn't worth the risk.
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Impossible. We can't afford to disipline the lawbreakers we have now.
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Stop arresting dealers. Free up the jail space for users.
If society were serious about it, recreational users would realize it wasn't worth the risk. |
The country has tried its hand at jailing and fining pot smokers for a long time with very little if any success. So what are you proposing Dave? 25
years at hard labor for first timers? Public torturing and executions for repeat offenders?
Might work.
Personally I would like to see slow drivers in the left lane be flogged and lifetime loss of driving privileges if we are going to start re-examining
penalties...
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fishabductor
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Is their a blackmarket these days for alcohol? Anyone know where I could score a 6 pack of beer?
The blackmarket for cigs is stolen cigs that can be sold for less.
A legimate drug company could probably undercut the dealers.
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Bajajorge
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The government needs a new source of tax revenue as the tobacco taxes are bringing in less and less each year.
Recently I heard a news story about Gov Arnold announcing that Mamograms would no longer be paid for by the California Medicaid program due to hugh
losses in the tobacco taxes collected.
 So, if you've lost money in the stock market during this financial
downturn, may I suggest that you reinvest in the new booming conterfeit medical
Marijuana permission letter business. 
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lookingandbuying
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Plenty of counterfeits!!
" The blackmarket for cigs is stolen cigs that can be sold for less."
Actually, there is a HUGE black market in cigarettes. Some are stolen like you mention, but, a lot more are manufactured in places like China (go
figure?) and the other part is mere smuggling from low tax States to high tax States.
http://www.slate.com/id/2221438/pagenum/all/
http://www.caltax.org/member/digest/june2001/jun01-08.htm
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by MsTerieus
Plus, I don't know how great a discount cartels could offer and still make good profits. |
I give up. ... |
Good. Now maybe you will leave me alone.
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MsTerieus
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
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Plus, I don't know how great a discount cartels could offer and still make good profits. |
I give up. ... |
Good. Now maybe you will leave me alone. |
Oh, go get a room you two...
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
A [legitimate] drug company could probably undercut the dealers. |
Thank you, fish. That is what I was trying to say about cigs.
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MsTerieus
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Hmmmm... Interesting, Looking....
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Oh, go get a room you two...
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I don't know .... what does he LOOK like?
[Edited on 7-26-2010 by MsTerieus]
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durrelllrobert
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In my opinion, the problem has been ignored so long that it has grown to unmanageable proportions. It's no longer feasible to try and control the
supplier and it's clear that they are controlling us.
Now, all we have left is to control the consumer. Too many to incarcerate so we have to legalize the product. I had hoped it would never come to
this, but there's no other way out of this mess.
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In simpiler times (prohibition) legalization/ taxation worked but today drug legalization/taxation would probably result in a higher product price and
the consumers (at least some) would to resort to more robberies, etc to support the habit, or stick with the current illegal sources IMHO.
[Edited on 7-26-2010 by durrelllrobert]
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lookingandbuying
.....and the other part is mere smuggling from low tax States to high tax States.
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.... and then there is Duty Free where you can purchase 3 cartons of my brand (Sheriff) made in North Carolina @ 3 cartons for $22 = $0.73/ pack
Bob Durrell
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wessongroup
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Chinese smokes.. now that would really be adding in some REAL immediate health threat to smoking........ seems China's ... product quality control is
not quite up to our standards... by a long shot... and years ago while a very young entrepreneur.. in the service ... used to sell American cigarettes
and American booze to the German's and other GI's for a fair profit..
Went into partnership with a women (Rose) she was 47 and I was 17.. She had been through the whole thing.. Owned a bar and restaurant.. Her boy friend
just happened to be a Captain in the German Police in Kaiserslauten.. and for some reason we hit it off..
Worked well for about a year.. then others "who were in compitition " with Rose ... raised enough noise that action had to be taken .. as we were
killing them.. I could get 5 quarts of American whiskey for around 2 dollars a bottle for my class XI card and knew a bunch of guys.. that didn't
drink .. in Germany at the time the exchange rate was 4.40 marks for one dollar.. and a shot of Johnny Walker went for around 4 marks or a dollar a
shot in a bar with "girls" .. a bottle is 40 shots.. and one could get up to 8 marks for a pack of smokes, from Germans.. their smokes were Gwdawful..
.. we were paying .25 cents in the PX...
We got raided at a News Year eve party... Rose's boyfriend sent word of the raid.. we were running down the street with as much as we could carry...
when they showed up ... that was the first time I had really been shot at... and learned the German Police acted a bit different that ours... we
dropped it all and hit attention with arms raised ... one guy from Chicago called this one Police officer a N-zis and got hit right in the mouth with
the butt end of a Luger.. knocked out his front teeth.. but it sure slowed the talking to them..
Ahhhhh youth.. there was good times and there were bad times.. but most have been good times..
And of course I'm off topic.. and would love to put up that picture of Dennis coming back from Sharkey's but have used it too many time. you know the
one with him wearing his "Red Shoes"...
[Edited on 7-26-2010 by wessongroup]
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