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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
The HIV/AIDS incidence "outside" of high-risk groups is NOT rising at any significant rate and will NOT threaten to DERAIL Civilization. It will
continue to expand in 3rd World Crapholes, among Drug Users and Homosexuals and SO WHAT ! As long as it remains primarily a problem
in that context, it is actually beneficial to society as a whole having a Darwinian effect and cleansing the Gene pool. |
Yes, I'm sure the Gates foundation is misinformed and misdirected. The children born with AIDS, who cares... The children orphaned from AIDS, who
cares... the females raped and who contract AIDS, who cares. Some people only care about themselves, luckily they have no power and the people with
the money to address this issue do.
[Edited on 10-4-2010 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
http://www.webmd.com/hiv-aids/news/20100923/1-in-5-gay-bi-me...
There is another recent study out by the CDC that makes the claim that 1-in5-gay or bi men have HIV and nearly half don't know it!
That's an alarming number especially when two out of the 21 cites studied that San Diego and Los Angeles were part of the study and found to have
high rates of HIV with men who have sixx with other men.
But if you look at the study the CDC went to places like gay bars where the more hardcore young gays are, and of course you might find higher rates of
HIV than the more closeted gay, bi, or married men that occasionally have sixx with other men, and more apt to use protection.
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Yes I have read about the so-called African circumcision study that claims that circumcision cuts down on HIV/AIDS by about 60 percent or even
prevents HIV in Africa.
It's a shame the study has a lot of flaws in the study. I'm not sure which study Bajafam and Whooosh were looking at? But some of the complaints I
read was that a few believed there was a hidden agenda with a few medical fundamentalists with a life goal of cutting all male newborns for religious
reasons, and hide behind these type of so-called studies to achieve their goal!
I bet some are saying it sounds far-fetched that medical fundamentalists are running around with knives looking for newborns to cut some skin off of,
but if you look at the history of
circumcision. You'll learn that circumcision was once practiced by doctors for a cure of masturbation.
But anyway countries like Brazil say the study lacks merit, and were concerned these types of flawed studies divert needed funds away from medical
treatments that might actually work for AIDS/HIV.
I know I know, this subject doesn't fit the lofty ideals of "BN" threads. You guys are too much with that, and I didn't start the subject, but I'll
go crawl back in my hole anyway.
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Thanks for the post. I don't think circumcision is the absolute answer. Brazil has more clean running water than Africa and men can clean themselves
properly within 12 hours of sexual contact. But if men don't have the hygiene habits or the clean water to wash with- circumcision is effective. So
are condoms and education. I take your point- but sadly more people worldwide do not have access to clean water than do have it and cleanliness "down
there" prevents HIV.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
There is another recent study out by the CDC that makes the claim that 1-in5-gay or bi men have HIV and nearly half don't know it!
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So it looks like the rate in Tijuana is the same with American cities.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
it is actually beneficial to society as a whole having a Darwinian effect and cleansing the Gene pool. |
Idiot, do you understand how offensive that is to the families of loved ones who have died because of drugs and or disease? obviously you don't.
Theres good people that are alcoholic, drug addicts, and other things, you have no right to say such things without knowing each individual persons
life and problems. As for your comment about cleansing gays from the gene pool, well your just plain old ignorant.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
The HIV/AIDS incidence "outside" of high-risk groups is NOT rising at any significant rate and will NOT threaten to DERAIL Civilization. It will
continue to expand in 3rd World Crapholes, among Drug Users and Homosexuals and SO WHAT ! As long as it remains primarily a problem
in that context, it is actually beneficial to society as a whole having a Darwinian effect and cleansing the Gene pool. |
textbook denial. You're not alone with your confusing urges.
Think Pastor Ted Hagget / Eddie Long / Joe Olstein.
Nature can move in mysterious ways. Don't beat yourself up too bad!
The real victim is your wife. oh well.
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Agreed very homophobic!
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No Confusion Here
I simply don't CARE.
Those who, for whatever reason, are a part of High-Risk groups and suffer as a result are a fact of life and, given the limited resources available,
it is foolish to expend a disproportionate percentage of those resources salvaging lives which aren't likely to be that productive in any case.
The ill-educated and poverty-stricken masses of the Third-World already consume far more than they are liable to justify in terms of productivity and
those people living dissipated lifestyles addicted to drugs, bad hygiene and unsafe habits aren't likely to be productive even if HIV/AIDS isn't the
cause of their disability or death.
If people like Gates or other Charitable concerns wish to occupy themselves with doing what they can that is, of course, up to them. It's their time
and money.
I just think it's a waste of time and effort that could be spent better in other ways helping out those who show promise and are more likely to
contribute to society.
As far as the innocent children born into the situation, there's not much they would probably accomplish if not infected anyway. Too bad about the
relatives, but the fault lies in their family, not the rest of the world.
Disease and Death in the Cesspools of Africa, India and the like isn't going to DERAIL civilization. Given the fact that they're grossly
Over-Populated at present, it would take a significant decrease to even reach equilibrium.
But, for those of you who wish to brood over the problem, Have at it.
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Mr. Bill M: You are a very frightening person! 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
I simply don't CARE.
Those who, for whatever reason, are a part of High-Risk groups and suffer as a result are a fact of life and, given the limited resources available,
it is foolish to expend a disproportionate percentage of those resources salvaging lives which aren't likely to be that productive in any case.
The ill-educated and poverty-stricken masses of the Third-World already consume far more than they are liable to justify in terms of productivity and
those people living dissipated lifestyles addicted to drugs, bad hygiene and unsafe habits aren't likely to be productive even if HIV/AIDS isn't the
cause of their disability or death.
If people like Gates or other Charitable concerns wish to occupy themselves with doing what they can that is, of course, up to them. It's their time
and money.
I just think it's a waste of time and effort that could be spent better in other ways helping out those who show promise and are more likely to
contribute to society.
As far as the innocent children born into the situation, there's not much they would probably accomplish if not infected anyway. Too bad about the
relatives, but the fault lies in their family, not the rest of the world.
Disease and Death in the Cesspools of Africa, India and the like isn't going to DERAIL civilization. Given the fact that they're grossly
Over-Populated at present, it would take a significant decrease to even reach equilibrium.
But, for those of you who wish to brood over the problem, Have at it. |
Yikes. You can't fix stupid.
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yep, hes an idiot allright.
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AND ?
Your opinion of me or anyone else counts for exactly What ?
But, you know that.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Your opinion of me or anyone else counts for exactly What ?
But, you know that. |
take your meds, or take less of them, whatever it is.
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Mr Bill wrote: The ill-educated and poverty-stricken masses of the Third-World already consume far more than they are liable to justify in terms of
productivity and those people living dissipated lifestyles addicted to drugs, bad hygiene and unsafe habits aren't likely to be productive even if
HIV/AIDS isn't the cause of their disability or death.
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Mr Bill sounds like President Reagan when he supposedly said something like, "Those who live in sin will die in sin," when speaking about AIDS in the
gay community. But we don't know if Reagan actually said that, but it's pretty clear the Reagan administration was slow to respond to AIDS and the
AIDS epidemic did spread after that to other groups/behaviors, races and ethic heritages. But at least Reagan showed compassion or pretended too.
Sadly Mr Bill's drags race into the issue and is just about saying, " I don't care about HIV/AIDS, because it's a gay, African/Black, Latino, and
drug junkie disease. It has not spread in significant numbers to the morally righteous "White" community so I(we) aren't going to be concerned about
it, because it's God way of dealing with the wretched sinners and savages of the 3rd world." Did I get it right Mr Bill?
Well I don't know if deadly viruses believe in "white privilege" and will skip the righteous who practice sin free monogamous sex and abstinence. I
guess being in monogamous relationships is good, and if you can practice abstinence it's even better to keep HIV/AIDS away, but how many people can
keep up that behavior a life time, especially "abstinence" if they aren't married?
HIV/AIDS has the potential, and probably will spread to just about all groups or races you could think of, and something like drug use, and
homosexuality have very little to do with race as all races or ethic groups have a certain percentage of their population engaging in gay sex and drug
use with needles and they in turn could infect others in that group.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
yep, hes an idiot allright. |
Idiot? I think not. He's able to skillfully manipulate a great number of folks here on this board... 
--Larry |
I for one am not manipulated by his ignorance. Do we give him more time than he deserves, yes. I don't see any supporters of his position. HIV/AIDS
has evolved in many aspects over the past 25 years. I'm sure he has positions on many topics I would find ignorant and offensive... but that does not
manipulate the truth. I hope Mr. Hands introduces Mr. Bill to Sluggo.
Mr. Bill builds a house. (Yes, the classic from Saturday Night Live)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8078407797255965707
[Edited on 10-5-2010 by Woooosh]
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The LOGICAL and PRAGMATIC Approach
IS what I espouse on ALL issues.
I Didn't Involve Race. It is a FACT that higher percentages of Infection are involved with Minority Races, likely because those population centers are
also lower on the economic scale and also poorly educated. Since these heavily-impacted areas and peoples have been traditionally low on the
productivity scale, it seems illogical to expend disproportionate resources fighting to save lives which won't contribute enough to offset their
costs.
Trying to sell this idea that HIV/AIDS will somehow infiltrate to any epidemic extent to even the populations that practice monogamous and safe-sex
and who do not engage in unsafe Drug practices is disingenuous at best. We have been repeatedly told by Science and our Health Authorities that the
disease can ONLY be spread by intimate contact and, therefore, we are being hysterical and phobic if we feel endangered by being around those in
society infected.
Is the Party Line NOW that we need fear even casual contact or close proximity ? Now, that it would serve their political purposes
to pander to our fear ?
As long as the Virus and its deleterious effects remains primarily among the least productive members of World Society, Whatever their race, we can
approach its prevention and cure with reasoned and fiscally responsible methodology and no fear for the Downfall of civilization.
Those who Weep for the Fate of the miserable downtrodden in life should feel free to emulate Mother Teresa to your best efforts. Personally, I think
you're wasting your time, efforts and money, but that's your business. Just don't expect applause OR MONEY from me.
Go Forth and Heal.
BTW, while apparently the Compassionate Liberal Wooosher wishes physical violence upon me (" I hope Mr. Hands introduces Mr. Bill to
Sluggo"), his hopes for my Lickin' aren't likely to be satisfied.
I ALWAYS take along help to any "possible" Fight. In fact, this weekend at Walmart when there was something of a Tiff, I immediately started working
my way towards my vehicle where (on that day) Mr. Browning was waiting to assist me. Anybody who'd like to teach me a lesson with their fists is
welcome to stop by. Be sure that's what you want to do, though. Things could go badly.
[Edited on 10-5-2010 by MrBillM]
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It's a SNL cartoon idiot. Still stuck on stupid.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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WHO DAT DERE ?
Well, I have heard of SNL, but haven't ever seen it.
If having watched Late Night Lefty-Adult Comics is a sign of Intelligence, we're all in trouble.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Well, I have heard of SNL, but haven't ever seen it.
If having watched Late Night Lefty-Adult Comics is a sign of Intelligence, we're all in trouble. |
To get you up to speed... "Mr. Bill" is a clay-mation character that is operated by a "Mr. Hands" and bullied in evry episode by Sluggo. It's from
the 70's- when Saturday Night Live was cutting edge with Chevy Chase, Bill Murray, Jane Curtain, Gilda Radner and John Belushi. It's only a
historical nostalgic thing now, some 35 years later. YouTube has many of the old clips. Mr. Bill is funny! You aren't. But I still like that you
write what you think, even if I don't agree with much of it.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Knowing MrBill
I actually know who Mr Bill was, sort of. At least I knew it was a character on SNL. I didn't know the associated "Sluggo" stuff.
Back in the 80s, there was a co-worker at GTE who, anytime I showed up in his department would say Laughingly " Oh NO. Mr Bill ". Didn't mean a
thing to me. One day my departmental Clerk said " You haven't got any idea what he's talking about, do you ? " She then explained the Hapless Mr
Bill Character. Or, at least, her version of it. I had the vague impression that I should have been insulted, but I instead adopted the moniker.
But, Thanks for the informational effort.
As they say, "You learn something new everyday".
Unfortunately, what you often learn isn't worth knowing.
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a very interesting subject.
Why does it seem to be that many of the 70.s generation put so much of their decesions on MOVIES????
Every time it seems they make a point and then refer to a Character. I am beginning to think that they beleive that Movies are the true Reality!!
There is only one answer to the HIV problem and it lies with the GENES.
Change the BEHAVORIAL GENE and you can change the complete Group that is spreading HIV.
Just look what FEAR is doing to the people of America! Their BEHAVORIAL GENE could be changed and maybe we could get away with Cheaters, Liars, and
Theives.
Can you imagine what CHAOS would erupt in San Francisco if all Gay People had to report to the Hospital to have their GENES Changed.
Now, someone in this Bunch tell me what is the Answer to this Problem that the many , many Minetries of many Churchs have not been able to help stop
HIV.
What do you Suggest???
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