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Cypress
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There's no excuse for eating, wearing, or using any part of an endangered species. 
Trying to justify any aspect of utilizing an endangered species for food etc.? Give it some thought.
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Bajahowodd
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I Second That!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
There's no excuse for eating, wearing, or using any part of an endangered species.
Trying to justify any aspect of utilizing an endangered species for food etc.? Give it some thought. |
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baitcast
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I quit eating them 50 years ago I,m just telling you like it is,try telling those folks and they will tell you to stick it most likely.
Rob
Anyone can catch fish in a boat but only \"El Pescador Grande\" can get them from the beach.
I hope when my time comes the old man will let me bring my rod and the water will be warm and clear.
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stevelaubly
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I know this was in Costa Rica...On the Pacific Coast near Nosara Point. I have seen it. It is illegal, but there is no authority around the areas
when needed. The Costa Ricans believe the turtle eggs are a type of aphrodisiac and they sell them to the bars where they serve them with beer and
whiskey.
These are the Leatherbacks.
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baitcast
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The last few times you boys were down did you try to talk those folks out of eating them or did you think they didn,t partake of one of their favorite
meals,they might not eat them in front of you but trust me 
Rob
Anyone can catch fish in a boat but only \"El Pescador Grande\" can get them from the beach.
I hope when my time comes the old man will let me bring my rod and the water will be warm and clear.
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BMG
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According to Snopes.
I think the world is run by C- students.
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baitcast
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Well there you are Costa Rica,Baja,where ever its been going on for generations,all the b-tching and moaning will do no good until the people finally
get it in THEIR heads to stop until then relax
Rob
Anyone can catch fish in a boat but only \"El Pescador Grande\" can get them from the beach.
I hope when my time comes the old man will let me bring my rod and the water will be warm and clear.
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Cypress
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Skeet/Loreto, It is what it is. Numbers don't lie. Any wild buffalo roaming around your neighborhood? Horses? Wolves? Last time you saw any
free-roaming Comanche? Apache? Kiowa?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Cypress:
What you fail to see is that People do not underastand what is being put forth by some of these Nuts.
Ask any of them to name an Endergered Species and see what is the Answer.
It is getting to were there is nothing that is true anymore only what the Pretender wants you to believe.
All the Bull Puckey about Coral Reefs, then did you see the Photos from Ken Bondy??
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Would you like me to name some endangered species for you? I can fare better than the teenagers at your mall, shall I give it a try?
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woody with a view
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while in Barra de Navidad on the mainland in about 1986 i bought a bottle of turtle lotion for the skin. it was good stuff! don't hate me cuz my skin
is so soft, still!
i wouldn't do the same now.....
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baitcast
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Anyone can catch fish in a boat but only \"El Pescador Grande\" can get them from the beach.
I hope when my time comes the old man will let me bring my rod and the water will be warm and clear.
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baitcast
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Try telling these folks to give up their comida for you My daughters at PaPa,s
table for a turtle meal in the 60,s.
Rob
Anyone can catch fish in a boat but only \"El Pescador Grande\" can get them from the beach.
I hope when my time comes the old man will let me bring my rod and the water will be warm and clear.
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Cypress
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Skeet/Loreto, I live in north Idaho. We have cougar, wolves and bear. They keep the deer and elk populations under control. I do my share of hunting.
Regarding the fish populations in the Sea of Cortez, there's over 800 miles of coastline, reefs, etc., lets be thankful that a skilled fisherman can
still find some fish to catch. My children? Only One. She's conservative, married and doing well. I don't really give a flying "F" whether you believe
me or not. Auodad sheep? They'd last about a week up in this country.
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Cypress
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Skeet/Loreto, The moose population is on the decline, possibly due to wolf predation or over hunting. Maybe the fish and game could introduce some of
those Auodad sheep?
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ramuma53
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I do not know where these photos were taken exactly, but last year there were news in Mexico city about an Federal empoyee, who was trying to stop
something like the photos situation in Oaxaca, on the Pacific coast and he was killed by the people who were taking the eggs to sell at the local
market, then the federal government went in force to stop it, but it was an every day sight like that.
I know it was a custon to eat sea turtle eggs, but we are driving them to extintion, we are so many that we can endanger any animal we start eating as
a custom.
Only information and applied penalties can work to stop this and it is not only the government work, because we know some of the officials who are
there to protect the turtles, are the ones who promote the crime to get bribes and only if people complain about those acts, they will stop.
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shari
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muchas gracias Pam for the information you posted and the Snopes article...so very interesting. I fing the Costa Rica model very interesting as it
provides some economic & cultural license to locals.
I have lived areas where biosphere reserves have been established and seen locals "crushed" by insensitive, draconian laws drawn up in big cities by
people who had never even been to the areas...virtually destroying their access to traditional food sources and incomes.
I quite like the compromise in the Costa Rica model. I fully support conservation measures for endangered species & areas but would like to see
local customs taken into consideration.
One example in BC canada was in the herring roe fishery...now I believe only local native bands can harvest the roe and under certain conditions and
quotas but at least they have access to this traditional food.
I would like to believe that something like this could be applied to the turtle debate. As mentioned coastal people have eaten turtle forever and
continue to do so...but jailing a grandmother for eating a stew that fed her whole clan on a feast occasion just seems wrong to me. If only in a
perfect world, one turle per fishing family per year or something like that could be allowed would be nice....I know it opens up alot of problems of
how to control it, monitor it etc...I'm just sayin...it would be nice for them to have their traditional feast without being a criminal. If you sent
turtle eaters to jail...these coastal towns would be pretty near empty.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Ramuma:
What difference does it make????
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From the film:
"In a place where there is little opportunity to make a living like along la Costa Chica, no tourism, no industry, and few opportunities for kids to
go to school, one learns to live from the land or one migrates away. Harvesting sea turtle eggs and sea turtles for their meat has been a tradition
for thousands of years. Just because we think sea turtles are special and cute shouldn’t give us the right to try to save them while taking away
something that has always belonged to the people."
This is the problem. The concept of trying to preserve a species doesn't have a whit to do with whether anyone thinks they're special and cute. The
residents of Costa Chica will eventually have no turtles or eggs if they continue to drive those turtles to extinction. And contrary to the notion
that the turtles "belong[] to the people" - that is just wrong. The turtles belong to our earth and are interconnected to other life on earth, and
all of us on earth are stewards of its creatures in order that our earth will be able to sustain us. That the turtles must nest on that beach has no
bearing on whether or not the turtles are Mexican property. Costa Chica is a pinpoint on our planet, but is essential to the life of the turtle - and
has been for more years than Costa Chica came into existence and borders of countries were determined. Enter humanity and its ignorance and
arrogance; resultant folly, i.e., extinction of animal species. And do you think the residents of Costa Chica will find something else to eat after
the turtles are gone? Or will they move on, like nomadic Maya, build a new village, plunder the natural resources in the same manner, etc., and
disappear? Newer research blames the fall of the Mayan empire on natural resource depletion. Can we nothing from the past?
PS: I doubt whether such harvesting and selling of eggs has been a tradition for thousands of years. Possibly subsistence for a small population
which ensured a continuum of turtles and eggs for future generations. But not to the extent that is happening now. Disaster awaits.
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baitcast
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THX Shari said far better than I but with the same intent.
Rob
Anyone can catch fish in a boat but only \"El Pescador Grande\" can get them from the beach.
I hope when my time comes the old man will let me bring my rod and the water will be warm and clear.
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Lee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaWarrior
Costa Rica, and yes, they sell them. |
I don't think this is Costa Rica.Turtles are protected by the government. |
I've been in CR during turtle season and the locals will tell you poachers come in and dig up the eggs. Just the way it is down there.
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