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Cypress
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The violence on the Mexican mainland and along the border has everyone spooked. Most of Baja has been spared. For how long?
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tripledigitken
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More to the story
Here is a link regarding the story, from the participant!
http://www.ifish.net/board/archive/index.php/t-310314.html
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
I know a gringa who has a business in Tesoro. I will ask her and report back. |
Okay, here is an email from my friend this morning. She has owned a business for years, just feet away from Solomon's.
I haven't heard about this or any other incidents nor anything about a plane.
I've never seen a Seaplane here ... considering the whole customs thing, not sure how one would land in the bay without dealing with immigration ... I
want to call BS on at least the 2nd part of his post.
As for the first, not sure but it's hard to call a victim a liar. Could be true but I have a hard time believing it.
It is hard to track these Internet rumors down - no police report, no witnesses other than the victim, no corroboration. Sometimes, a visitor feels
that he has been ripped off by a local vendor, or his favorite fishing spot is getting too crowded, or he is trying to drive down the price of a
fishing charter by driving away tourists. He decides to get even by trashing the whole area on the Internet. Quien sabe?
Subject to additional information, I choose to believe this incident didn't happen.
[Edited on 11-3-2010 by oxxo]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
Cabo is getting more dangerous, and not just for tourists, the son of a Mexican contractor that I know was recently robbed and knifed there while
walking down the street minding his own business, resulting in serious life threatening injuries. |
Let's put that into perspective. Last census data is five years old, and showed a population in the municipality of 164,000. Very likely more than
that today.
This isn't a sleepy fishing village with a tuna cannery and one paved road anymore. As population grows, a certain percentage of undesirables will
join in.
If anything, foolish and drunken behavior or partying tourists help create an environment that encourages crime.
As for people selling cigars and weed. Is that not legal?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
Cabo is getting more dangerous, and not just for tourists, the son of a Mexican contractor that I know was recently robbed and knifed there while
walking down the street minding his own business, resulting in serious life threatening injuries. |
I know about that incident. The victim was out late at night stone drunk. He got in a drunken brawl with some locals (also drunk) who knifed him and
then took his money for good measure. That's the rest of the story. I generally don't prowl the streets of San Lucas at 3am, dead drunk. So I don't
worry about those incidents.
Yes, Cabo is getting more dangerous as well as Pescadero, Todos Santos, La Paz, Loreto, Mulege, El Rosario, etc. But they have a long way to go to
match San Diego, Los Angeles, Sacramento, Phoenix, etc.
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Thanks for setting the story straight, oxxo.
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Yes, Cabo is getting more dangerous..............But they have a long way to go to match San Diego, Los Angeles, Sacramento, Phoenix, etc.
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How anyone can actually claim this with any level of certainty is a mystery to me? We see this all the time, as a supposed "defense" of crime in
Mexico.
Yet, many of us know from personal experience and from talking to our Mexican friends down here that A SMALL FRACTION OF CRIME IN MEXICO is actually
reported. No one wants to encourge further grief from the police, attorney general or any other part of the court system in Mexico, by reporting it.
And even if reported to the authorities, there is tremendous incentive to sweep many occurrences under the rug, in the interest of maintaining some
semblance of a tourist industry. The Gringo Gazette or any other media outlet can't know about every instance. It's not like the police blotter is an
open book in a town like Cabo.
Then, there's the problem of comparing REPORTED crime rates on a per capita basis, especially when there are (or were) presumably large numbers of
transient tourists in an area. Yes, there may be less crime in a relatively small town like Cabo than in these towns in the US with populations of
500,000-1 million+. There are more car accidents, too. More emergency room visits. More of just about everything. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE ARE
MORE PEOPLE IN ONE PLACE THAN ANOTHER!!!
So, let's get real here. Comparing crime rates in Mexico to the US is a farce, even though "official" organizations within the Mexican government DO
publish them. That's why everyone uses unofficial estimates by other sources within the country on drug cartel related deaths, rather than the
government's.
And shall we talk about the possibility of being extorted by the police in these towns in the US??? Yeah, I didn't think so. It's rarer than a virgin
prostitute. And when it's discovered, it's dealt with so severely and publicized so widely that it's almost non-existent.
My favorite stories from over here in Sonora involve items stolen from houses. In two cases I am familiar with, the police actually caught the
perpetrators of household break-ins and recovered much of the "loot". At the police station, the owners identified their own stolen goods, in some
cases with photos from their insurance files. Yet, the police insisted that the owners produce sales receipts with serial numbers. In both cases, some
of these documents were north of the border and needed time to recover.
And when they DID finally produce the required documents..........the goods were long gone.
The police claimed that other persons had already shown up with the "correct" documentation......................
The serial numbers must have been in denominations of 100 pesos, I guess.  Or maybe a police commander's son has a new stereo and flat screen.
So, let's dispense with these comparative statements about crime, and how it's dealth with, in the US and Mexico. No comparison is credible.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
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Yes, Cabo is getting more dangerous..............But they have a long way to go to match San Diego, Los Angeles, Sacramento, Phoenix, etc.
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How anyone can actually claim this with any level of certainty is a mystery to me? We see this all the time, as a supposed "defense" of crime in
Mexico.
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So, let's dispense with these comparative statements about crime, and how it's dealth with, in the US and Mexico. No comparison is credible.
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Maybe it's a feeling that's subjective and not debatable philosophically. I ''feel'' more unsafe, and more threatened, on some streets in New
Orleans, L.A., Oakland, et al., than I do in Pescadero, Todos Santos, La Paz, San Jose, and Cabo.
Don't think anyone is ''defending crime'' in MX. Relatively speaking, I believe there is more petty crime in Baja, and less serious crime, and
less petty crime in the US, and more serious crime.
Don't know why I feel safe in the BCS towns I've mentioned, but I do.
Results may vary.
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Been going to Cabo for thirty years. As I noted in a recent post, one thing that is evident is that the the pedestrian traffic downtown Cabo is down
from the old days. One reason maybe as simple as there are more folks renting cars at the airport. I already noted the proliferation of all-inclusive
resorts. That said, the biggest nightmare in my 30 plus years of being there is having been once pulled over by a traffic cop for supposedly going the
wrong way on a one way street. Even then, it was a situation where they had changed traffic flow, but had yet to post new signs.
Many folks may mourn the Cabo of old times. But, fact is that tens of thousands of tourists visit annually. Since I spend time there several times a
year, my opinion is that it is clearly not unsafe. Anyone choosing to change vacation plans is missing out.
Lastly, for anyone living there, has that new cultural center opened yet? Weird looking structure, and built on what was perhaps the last free parking
lot in town.
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Hook
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I know what you are saying. Everyone makes subjective observations about their surroundings. It's only human nature. I do it, too. The only murders in
the 2.5 years I've lived here in San Carlos, Sonora, were crimes of passion. Husbands shooting cheating wives; in one case, in flagrante
delicto, where the novio got it, too.
But whenever anyone says "I feel safer in Mexico than I did where I lived in the US", I always have to wonder where in hades they lived and why it
took them so long to leave? This is especially true of the Phoenix and Tucson areas, as there are alot of retirees from those cities down here. I
couldn't believe they would say that..............until I went to the FBI site and perused the violent crime stats for those cities. Those are some
pretty violent cities, with respect to the rest of the US.
Still, it's difficult to draw empirical (philosophical??) conclusions between the two countries. I cant say I feel safer down here, probably because I
lived in South Orange County, one of the safest areas in the US. But I do feel safe here,
Well, except for the petty crime/house breakins and the shakedowns by the police. I've had a car stereo stolen in Guaymas, a pocket cam stolen in
Hermosillo and been shaken down twice in four attempts. It's the price you pay for living expenses under 500/month here.
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The wiki has a great article on the impact of the all inclusives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_the_Caribbean
Many tourists who visit Cabo will not experience violent crime, other than their hotel room being pilfered because many who book into the all
inclusives seldom leave their hotels.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Yet, many of us know from personal experience and from talking to our Mexican friends down here that A SMALL FRACTION OF CRIME IN MEXICO is actually
reported. |
That is not my experience. We talk about this every once in a while with Mexican and gringo friends. It is not a frequent conversation because it is
not a significant issue. All the people I know in the Los Cabos area (and I am a full timer in Los Cabos for 4 years) just don't experience any kind
of crime here. I know plenty of Mexicans from braceros to management types who have come here from all over Mexico. Everyone I have talked to says
how safe it is here compared to where they came from. However, these people usually aren't on the streets at 3am.
I agree with Lee. It is a matter of perception as well as anecdotal experience through friends and acquaintances. I do not know anyone who has been
the victim of a crime here, of any type, except the occassional policeman who is looking for a handout and that is very rare.
I feel very safe here.
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Crime in Cabo...yes there is crime but like others have said "it happens all over the world." That includes The Baja, The Mainland of Mexico,
Caribbean Islands, France, Italy, Argentina, Costa Rica, Honduras, Guatemala, Ecuador and the USA. These are a few of the places I have had the
opportunity to travel to...so far.
We live in CSL 8 -9 months of the year. I too have been asked if I want to buy "mota, weed and other things". It is called "demand"...allot of
tourist want to buy and smoke a little something while on vacation. Something they may or may not do back home but "hey they are on vacation" and
since some of them "leave their brains at the border" they can't understand it when "sh*t happens" to them. Some of these so called crimes are "drug
deals gone bad". Locals are not the ones that are buying the stuff...it is the tourist!
We live close to the mall...one morning around 3:30 am I was making my way to the "bano". I heard voices of some very drunk American females. I
watched them from our fourth floor condo...they could barely stand up much less walk. A four door car with four local guys pulled up beside them and
started talking to them in their broken English...the drunk girls shot them the finger and yell at them "F*** You"...several times.
I am thinking...don't make me stick my head out this window and start yelling to try and help you because there is not a whole lot I could do from
here. The young girls were very lucky that night...the young men laughed at them and drove off. We have helped "stoned/drunk" tourist by getting
them a cab, asking the cost of the ride then have the tourist get the correct amount out of their pocket and then send them on their way. We
witnessed two drunk fishermen get out of a taxi then urinate on the street. The police saw what happened and if it had not been for the taxi driver
the men would have gone to jail. Then the two jerks tried to leave without paying the taxi driver. These stories could go on all night. Again,
these are tourist not locals.
Then there is the "Good Cabo"...why is it that no one wants to talk about? There are many good Americans/Retires that have helped set up and still
raise money for many charities which benefits many locals...both two and four legged. They have started businesses which employ many locals. These
stories could go on all day...but no one wants to talk about the good, only the bad.
As far as the Cabo Municipal Police...yes, rumor is they turn their head while holding out their hand. It happens all over Mexico not just Cabo.
Cabo is not for everyone...but then neither is NYC, MIA, IAH or SFO (airport codes) and many other places. I may not return to some of these cities
but I will not continuously look for the negative things either.
One person's paradise could be an other person's hell- hole. If you don't like Cabo, don't come...we won't miss you! However if you decide to come
to Cabo why not contact one of your fellow Nomads that live here...we would be happy to show you the reason we love and enjoy Cabo.
As far as "all inclusives"...there is only one that I know of in Cabo and the is the "RUI". SJD has a few more but I would guess in the Los Cabos
area there aren't more than six or seven so it is not the "all inclusives" that is keeping the planes full. The new taxi way that was built at
Terminal 1 within the last year...that is because there are more planes arriving each year.
[Edited on 11-4-2010 by karenintx]
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I have been living in Mexico for years. Why dont any of these terrible things happen to me?
The wost thing that has ever happened was that my home was broken into while I was out of town. I believe that was an inside job. I have had my homes
boken into in California twice.
I just dont put myself in situations where I am going to have a problem.
I have seen tourists visiting Mexico acting as though there are no laws down here.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Nancy Drew
Many tourists who visit Cabo will not experience violent crime, other than their hotel room being pilfered because many who book into the all
inclusives seldom leave their hotels. |
I forget the actual statistic, but fewer than 10% of the rooms in San Lucas/San Jose are AI.
All tourists who visit Cabo will not experience violent crime because it is virtually non-existent. The only ones who put themselves in harms way is
by over imbibing, trying to score drugs, or looking to buy love.....especially at 3am.
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I just ran a search on last mnute vacations and you can pick up nearly all inclusive to all inclusive from $660 to 1100 for a week at the high end
resorts on the Mayan Riveria, how does Cabo compete with that`
PV has a package this for $735. that by the includes air and transporation to and from the hotels in all cases.
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Mayan Riveria - ?
does this refer to yucatan and quintana roo?
having been all over those areas - i would say for fun, ambiance, recreation, cost, weather and a whole bunch of other reasons that area beats the
pants off of baja for travel.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Nancy Drew
I just ran a search on last mnute vacations and you can pick up nearly all inclusive to all inclusive from $660 to 1100 for a week at the high end
resorts on the Mayan Riveria, how does Cabo compete with that`
PV has a package this for $735. that by the includes air and transporation to and from the hotels in all cases. |
Simple, we like people with deep pockets..so maybe you need to go to PVR!
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We have two condos in Cabo, one right on the Marina.
Although I have witnessed a purse snatching (some fisherman caught the guy hiding in the abandoned construction project) and returned the lady's
purse, in more than 30 years of going to Cabo I have never had or seen a problem with crime.
I'm with Karen's analysis.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Nancy Drew
I just ran a search on last mnute vacations and you can pick up nearly all inclusive to all inclusive from $660 to 1100 for a week at the high end
resorts on the Mayan Riveria, how does Cabo compete with that` |
Cabo generally doesn't compete with that.
Rafa, who operates the front desk at one of the local resorts, came from a resort on the Mayan Riviera. He said he couldn't get out of there fast
enough. He says life is good compared to the Cancun area. Low crime, better weather, nicer people, inexpensive if you know where to go, and very
rural once you get out of downtown San Lucas.
The Mayan Riviera can have the $600 per week tourists. We'll take the $600 per day tourists. 
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