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David K
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Where do you think Cowpatty is?
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mscowpatty
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Sorry Kat.....the bar is not mine, nor losing customers or booze money. I have been Cowpatty for many years before Richard built his bar.
I am not upset.....I just want everyone to be aware that these things can and do happen here. In this case it was never about the rent increase. And
there are two sides to this story with valid issues on each side.
Even in Mexico their are processes in place to settle these types of disputes. Unfortunately, just as in the USA, these processes aren't always
followed according to the law. There are many other facets of this situation that the court is reviewing.
No beer can I don't think the truth is funny. I found it funny that you thought I might have something to gain or lose from any of this. Marvin's
place is certainly not a thing of value or beauty and the view of fish camp is certainly nothing to aspire to. I have an opinion that is different
than yours. It is not about being mad.
[Edited on 11-13-2010 by mscowpatty]
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mscowpatty
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Where do you think Cowpatty is? |
Mscowpatty is (and has been for many years) in Baja.
Cowpatty bar is located at km 72 on the San Felipe Puertecitos road. Richard's Cowpatty bar is alive and prospering. Nothing to do with Puertecitos
drama...just a nice place to hang out. I am not an owner. I retired from all that stuff in the states and here a long time ago.
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beercan
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Redux !!
Patty,
Perhaps you should reread my posts--nowhere did I either mention your gain or loss, or attack you personally.
The failure of the association members to pay a proper and fair amount of rents has created bad feelings and divided neighbor against neighbor. It has
also diminished the values of all our properties and has caused the property owners to delay or not complete needed improvements.
Mucho money $$$$$$ has been wasted on lawyer fees and court costs that could have been used to improve Puertecitos !!! It is unfortunate for all us
"Mericans that the collective wisdom & knowledge of the associations "leaders" could fit in a thimble. American property laws do not apply here in
Mexico.
When I first bought a "house" here in Puertecitos in 1981 along with partners George and Mike, we all agreed not in invest more in Baja then we could
afford to walk away from.
I have almost moved beyond that point and all three of us have substantial investments in both time and $$$$$$$$.
As I stated, I have been involved in this lease process and have learned much about the Mexican property laws and its court system. I am also no
dummy when it comes to property in the USA. I have owned, bought and sold many millions of property and have been involved in several condo/ property
owners associations.
The lease I have and the rents that I pay are FAIR & PROPER !
If you and the others are so unhappy , why don't you all leave and start you own camp ???? Marvins place must not be too bad or else you wouldn't be
here ?
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No beer can I don't think the truth is funny. I found it funny that you thought I might have something to gain or lose from any of this. Marvin's
place is certainly not a thing of value or beauty and the view of fish camp is certainly nothing to aspire to. I have an opinion that is different
than yours. It is not about being mad.
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Woooosh
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seems part of the problem is the Mexican legal process taking six years which is one gov't changeover too many for an honest decision to be made. As
long as political appointees run the paperwork jobs for the municipalities, it will always be a problem.
Hey Beercan- I quote you often on the "never invest more in Baja than you can afford to walk away from". Too bad everything invested here can't be
measured in dollars or cents.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Cypress
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by Woooosh As long as political appointees run the paperwork jobs for the municipalities, it will always be a problem.
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True! Anywhere in world.
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mscowpatty
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Hey guys! enough......just wanted to keep everyone informed of what is going on. Can't solve anything on a blog. Opinions are opinions and that's
what communication is good for. Safe journeys to all....
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mscowpatty
Hey guys! enough......just wanted to keep everyone informed of what is going on. Can't solve anything on a blog. Opinions are opinions and that's
what communication is good for. Safe journeys to all.... |
That was one of the more graceful in and outs for a newbie I have seen.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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LancairDriver
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mscowpatty doesn't seem to understand that you have to hang in there to get the last word on this board. Sometimes takes weeks. Bowing out
gracefully?
Hmmm...maybe that could be called class.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LancairDriver
mscowpatty doesn't seem to understand that you have to hang in there to get the last word on this board. Sometimes takes weeks. Bowing out
gracefully?
Hmmm...maybe that could be called class. |
Yah.. this is serious business... real people are involved and it's not someone accused of making turtle soup (which can go into thousands of replies
here)!
Nomads know how to beat a dead horse until nothing is left but a hoof!
ANYWAY, thank you Cowpatti for the story and thank you Beercan for the other side of the story.
More good stuff from Puertecitos please!
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mcfez
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And what's wrong with turtle soup?
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by LancairDriver
mscowpatty doesn't seem to understand that you have to hang in there to get the last word on this board. Sometimes takes weeks. Bowing out
gracefully?
Hmmm...maybe that could be called class. |
Yah.. this is serious business... real people are involved and it's not someone accused of making turtle soup (which can go into thousands of replies
here)!
Nomads know how to beat a dead horse until nothing is left but a hoof!
ANYWAY, thank you Cowpatti for the story and thank you Beercan for the other side of the story.
More good stuff from Puertecitos please! |
Kidding....
Setting aside the landlord issues...which most vacationers really dont give a rats ass about.....
Puertecitos is a good place now for camping...great boat launch..."pit" stop for gas/drink.....and a beer at the Cow Patty which isn't opened on
Mondays.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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mscowpatty
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Love you guys! Keep on coming down and if you'll have me on the board I will start posting the fun stuff. Those who know me from all these years
know how much I love Baja and all the good times! After all, that's what the "Cowpatty" was started for......Richard says come on down for the races
and enjoy!!!! Maybe it's time to work on Cowpatty II!!!!! Viva Baja!
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Woooosh
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http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/13/ex-exec-says-...
more on the LNG plant debacle near Ensenada... all it took was a $8000 bribe.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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woody with a view
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what would Harry say......???????
[Edited on 11-14-2010 by woody with a view]
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BajaRob
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I have had the pleasure of meeting Patty last season and she is the real deal. If she says it, it is so.
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beercan
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Hmmm...maybe that could be called class?
Hardly, after she comes on and posts a bunch of lies, misstatements, and distortions, she wants to take her marbles and go play at Cowpatty---only
when she discovers that someone is willing to challedge her and print the TRUTH does she start---- Oh gosh,come on and have a beer--I just wanted
opinions .
She's one of the Sheeple or minnions that the "leaders" are leading along to help pay their lawyer, who is doing a great Mexican bleeding !
* libs, all about choice until you choose different
* B. Hussein Obama - an Empty Suit for Empty Minds.
* Annoy a liberal - Work hard and be happy!
* Arguing facts & truth to libs is like bringing a warm smile to a gun fight.
* Lets win the War on Terror
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mscowpatty
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LOL, so glad it's not personal Bob.
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Tuna
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I first came to Pueretecitos when I was 9 years old in 1959. In instantly fell in love with it and came back many times. My father ("Charlie") spent
many years there and slowly improved the house until it is as it stands now, a three bedroom stone house on the beach on the north side of the bay.
He has gone to his greater fishing ground now, but I "own" the house and "lease" the property from the Orozco family.
When they asked for a new lease I had it translated and read through it. I was concerned about a few things in it so I asked for a rewrite of the
lease and the Orozco family gave me one that fit my needs and dealt with my concerns. I found them to be easy to negotiate with and I gladly signed
the lease.
I now make sure to pay my fee every January.
I live in Vermont so I do not get to come down as often as I like, but I do get to spend 5-6 weeks in May-June each year, which I hope will be
expanding soon. When I retire I will spend a good 4-6 months a year there.
My main concerns are security and abandoned properties. About five years ago my place was broken in to but since then thing have been pretty secure.
The abandoned properties look nasty and give the place a favella look. I wish these could be torn down and replaced by NOTHING, but they will probably
be replaced (in many cases) with new buildings. That would be fine as well.
I just wanted to tell my story. I signed the lease and it worked out fine.
Tuna
AKA Alfred Snider
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mcfez
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Tuna..
"The place is getting cleanup:Slowly...but is..
"My main concerns are security and abandoned properties.": in works.
Thanks for the post here....it just confirms that the place is on the up and up. Too many bad stories about this port, yet hardly true at most.
[Edited on 11-14-2010 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Tuna
I first came to Pueretecitos when I was 9 years old in 1959. In instantly fell in love with it and came back many times. My father ("Charlie") spent
many years there and slowly improved the house until it is as it stands now, a three bedroom stone house on the beach on the north side of the bay.
He has gone to his greater fishing ground now, but I "own" the house and "lease" the property from the Orozco family.
When they asked for a new lease I had it translated and read through it. I was concerned about a few things in it so I asked for a rewrite of the
lease and the Orozco family gave me one that fit my needs and dealt with my concerns. I found them to be easy to negotiate with and I gladly signed
the lease.
I now make sure to pay my fee every January.
I live in Vermont so I do not get to come down as often as I like, but I do get to spend 5-6 weeks in May-June each year, which I hope will be
expanding soon. When I retire I will spend a good 4-6 months a year there.
My main concerns are security and abandoned properties. About five years ago my place was broken in to but since then thing have been pretty secure.
The abandoned properties look nasty and give the place a favella look. I wish these could be torn down and replaced by NOTHING, but they will probably
be replaced (in many cases) with new buildings. That would be fine as well.
I just wanted to tell my story. I signed the lease and it worked out fine.
Tuna
AKA Alfred Snider |
Welcome to Baja Nomad, Tuna! Wow, you have seen Puertecitos from nearly the beginning (1957 per Lower California Guidebook '58 edition).
Here's a look at Puertecitos in 1960:
(photo from Erle Stanley Gardner's 1961 'Hovering Over Baja')
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