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BajaBlanca
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very sad. RIP.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
This is just going to add more wood to the fire as far as our media sensationalizing crime in Mexico.
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Just how does one "sensationalize" a murder? It's pretty sensational all by itself.
Something like 26,000 and counting since 2006.
If anything, the world is becoming desensitized to murder in Mexico. |
If anything the media has greatly been under-reporting the crime and it's impact because of pressure from the tourism and cross-border business
sectors. That's one of the things I got from the State Dept. Cables. TJ was going down the tubes, the gov't admits it had lost control of the
region, it was/is nearly under martial law and none of this was caused by the media. I find it repugnant of Mexico to have put out the "welcome Mat"
and promote tourism under those security conditions. jmho though.
[Edited on 12-7-2010 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
I just finished watching the six-o'clock Tijuana news and there was no mention of this incident. Some joker asked here why would anyone live in
Rosarito and commute to the states....because Rosarito is a damn nice place to live!! |
And I am guessing that the cost of living there is cheaper than in San Diego.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
If anything the media has greatly been under-reporting the crime and it's impact because of pressure from the tourism and cross-border business
sectors. That's one of the things I got from the State Dept. Cables. TJ was going down the tubes, the gov't admits it had lost control of the
region, it was/is nearly under martial law and none of this was caused by the media. I find it repugnant of Mexico to have put out the "welcome Mat"
and promote tourism under those security conditions. jmho though. |
Hey Woooosh...I read your reports with great interest. I recently received a monthly letter from a friend I support who's Missions organization works
in Tijuana in the poorer barrios on a regular basis. Here is a quote from the letter he wrote for Nov. about how they see things now as they stand in
Tijuana..."The Peso continues to go south, tourism has dried up leaving prostitution, drugs, and human trafficking as the basic economy. (We wonder
how much longer Tijuana can hold together until something comes apart.)" There are a number of Mexicans I have talked to who once lived in Tecate,
Tijuana, and Playas who have moved up over the border to get away from the daily crime. A Mexican friend I know who lives in Tecate just had his
Bronco stolen while parked in the "line" on the Mex side of the Tecate gate. He just put in a new motor, tires, battery. 3 weeks now and no car.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ElFaro
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
If anything the media has greatly been under-reporting the crime and it's impact because of pressure from the tourism and cross-border business
sectors. That's one of the things I got from the State Dept. Cables. TJ was going down the tubes, the gov't admits it had lost control of the
region, it was/is nearly under martial law and none of this was caused by the media. I find it repugnant of Mexico to have put out the "welcome Mat"
and promote tourism under those security conditions. jmho though. |
Hey Woooosh...I read your reports with great interest. I recently received a monthly letter from a friend I support who's Missions organization works
in Tijuana in the poorer barrios on a regular basis. Here is a quote from the letter he wrote for Nov. about how they see things now as they stand in
Tijuana..."The Peso continues to go south, tourism has dried up leaving prostitution, drugs, and human trafficking as the basic economy. (We wonder
how much longer Tijuana can hold together until something comes apart.)" There are a number of Mexicans I have talked to who once lived in Tecate,
Tijuana, and Playas who have moved up over the border to get away from the daily crime. A Mexican friend I know who lives in Tecate just had his
Bronco stolen while parked in the "line" on the Mex side of the Tecate gate. He just put in a new motor, tires, battery. 3 weeks now and no car.
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The people on the streets know what they see with their own eyes. There is lots of factory work in Tijuana but nothing to keep your head above the
rising water of inflation. Yes, many have moved to Chula Vista. I've heard that Tijuana is now called the Bangkok of the East because of the child
sex industry. $5000 a head to be smuggled to the USA from Rosarito in an open fishing "panga"- 25 seats per boat. But those problems are common and
prevalent in every third world country.
I never expected Mexico to be crime free or for us to live more safely in Rosarito than in the USA. We decided the pluses of living here were worth
the risks. We had the ability to build a house that fit my family and our security needs. Yes, we built before the boom, narco shock and awe, and
bust stages- but I always knew security was going to be important. What I did expect was actionable information in regards to what is happening
around us. We went through one kidnap attempt (PGJE said they were "delinquents who intended to do us harm.") and an armed carjack attempt in TJ at
noon. We went back to the carjack scene and noticed all the security cameras placed along the Via Rapida tourist route had been removed. Removed
while the State Department Travel Advisories were cautioning about violence near the border. While I was seeing the crime affect me personally here,
I saw the media being blamed for overstating the level of crime. But I could see the truth with with my own eyes. My neighbors were afraid and were
seeing the same things. I'm not mad about the crime per se, I'm made about both sides not painting a more accurate reflection of what was really
happening here. With few exceptions, the local powers (both sides of the border) were intent on keeping the commerce and tourist dollars flowing- no
matter the risk to tourists. I moved down here knowing the risks and planning for them. That is not the same as inviting tourists who are not
prepared.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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bajamigo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Just me musing. Seems that Woooosh had a perfunctory relationship with this guy. Gotta wonder what his real story was. Can't imagine living in
Rosarito and having a full time job NOB. Really long commute. The Puerto Rican thing. Did he have an accent? Could it have been a cover story? Just
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Why the hell do we always assume the worst about people whose deaths are not fully explainable? This poor guy was just unlucky. And what kind of
racist crap is "the Puerto Rican thing"???? Next time you "think out loud" put a bag over your head...paper or plastic.
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajamigo
And what kind of racist crap is "the Puerto Rican thing"???? Next time you "think out loud" put a bag over your head...paper or plastic.
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Woooosh
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There is a story out today about the murder. The photo is correct and the name "Jake", close enough to Jay. The article says pretty much what my
original post did with the exception he was naked.
http://www.oem.com.mx/elsoldetijuana/notas/n1880229.htm
True to form, the Mexico police are reporting the man is from South America. Yes, Puerto Rico is off the coast of South America. And what country of
origin is "South America"? Still no reports NOB, but given his nationality has been masked- you likely won't see anything. If a Hawaiian man had
died in Mexico, he would have been from the "South Pacific". Mexican Police Geography Distortion 101. As far as I know being from Puerto Rico make
him a US Citizen- not South American. This is how they distort the crime stats to make Rosarito appear to be a safe destination for ex-pats and
tourists.
[Edited on 12-7-2010 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajamigo
Why the hell do we always assume the worst about people whose deaths are not fully explainable? |
I know. It's a bad mindset although, given the area, Rosarito, and the relatively common occurance of mayhem, murder, corruption and official
denial, I don't believe it's a completely unreasonable question.
In fact, I believe the same gruesome questions are thought, if not voiced, by everybody living in the Cartel active regions, such as Rosarito.
To ignore the possibility is pure denial and that reaction is counter-productive and dangerous to anybody who drops his guard.
What I'm trying to say, Vince, is that Rosarito is a human sht-hole and I believe you're aware of that.
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Woooosh
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A neighbor just told me the PGJE took 4 men into custody for the murder of Jake Alvarez, 45- a citizen of "South America".
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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BajaBlanca
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wow, fast action if they really got 4 guys into custody. I am impressed.
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Woooosh
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Another article now says he was from Nicaragua. I doubt that very much- but that's what they are going with. Everyone here says he said he was from
Puerto Rico. That leaves the possibility he lied all along about his nationality. No one here believes he was from Nicaragua.
Yes, Blanca- fast and good news.
You want a "Twilight Zone" moment on this? I sent my nephew over to Jay's house with some kibble for the dog and a candle. The dog ate right away
and he lit and put the candle next to the fence. He blessed himself and his "locked" cell phone rang. He didn't recognize the number and was out of
cell phone credits. When he got to his girlfriends house he called the number. A man with a feminine voice answered and asked how Emilio got his
number. Emilio explained that the phone rang while he was placing a candle outside a neighbors house who had been killed. The man knew the victim as
his friend and even described his red car to Emilio. The man was upset by the news of his friends death and hung up. The dead man used my nephew to
contact his friend? How crazy is that? And this was last night, before any public news of the murder.
[Edited on 12-7-2010 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
Hell, I've even tried to talk my wife into moving to Punta Banda until I retire and I would commute.
She ain't havin' it, though. |
Hey, tell her we are friendly!!!!
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Nancy Drew
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Very sad story, I suppose we will never know why , strange that the thieves would be riding around in the evidence unless they sold car .
Reminds me of what happened to Chopy a few years back, I read somewhere he was beaten to death, the details of who did it and why were never
revealed.
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Jay was a good friend of ours,we recently were in contact because the death of my son.
Jay was also a good friend to my aunt who also passed a couple of years ago.
He would always take care of her house and were always welcome to stay at his when ever.
My wife and kids have nothing but good memories of Jay he was a good friend and all around good person.
He did not deserve to go that way.
I hope the people that caused his death will be punished for their doings.
he lived in Rosarito because he loved the people and was close to the beach which you can see from the house and walk to it.
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BajaGringo
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Really sorry to hear - very sad news...
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DENNIS
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R8A.....My condolences.
Tell us, if you will, was he Puerto Ricano or Nicaraguan? The reports give both.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
R8A.....My condolences.
Tell us, if you will, was he Puerto Ricano or Nicaraguan? The reports give both. |
Dennis
I have been following this tread. you are not the only one that is making a point about his nationality.
Honestly, what does that have to do with anything?
(here goes)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by desertcpl
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
R8A.....My condolences.
Tell us, if you will, was he Puerto Ricano or Nicaraguan? The reports give both. |
Dennis
I have been following this tread. you are not the only one that is making a point about his nationality.
Honestly, what does that have to do with anything?
(here goes) |
It doesn't have anything to do with anything. Confusion just makes me curious.
I mean...glaring errors such as this make me wonder why I bother to read the news.
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desertcpl
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well next time I am down your way , lets have a drink and we both can get confused together, it doesn't take much for me now,
,Salute
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