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ElFaro
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGeoff
The racing community as a whole spends a fortune in Baja every year. From hotels to restaurants to tiendas to taco stands there is a lot of money
being pumped into the economy, and the business owners appreciate it. Even when racers are not participating in SCORE or CODE events, they are still
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I don't agree...check my post above from what I observed at Estero Beach Resort.
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TMW
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I doubt that off road racing can compete with a 100 million dollar project but to me that's apple and oranges. Yes many crews do camp out and bring
their own food. But many others do stay in hotels. I do and the people I crew for do too. Many eat in resturantes, I do. Try booking a room within a
few days for any SCORE race next year and then tell us how easy it was. And I don't mean some flea bag hotel miles away for $20. As for as tools you
got to be kidding, nobody in their right mind would be out looking to find tools when at the race unless they broke theirs. Like I said go ask the
hotel, bar, resturante, Pemex, fast food, convient stores like OXXY, 7-11 and other shops etc.
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bajalou
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No mater what you're observations are, they really don't apply to the entire racing community. When the 250 runs in San Felipe, ALL hotel/motel
rooms are booked weeks in advance - at premium prices for busy times. A race team for the TTs will rent 8 to 15 rooms for anywhere from a week to a
month to cover pre-running as well as the race. And the local restaurants are full of racers and the support personnel. Local mechanics and parts
stores are busy helping with last minute repairs.
Last year, the locals spent their own money cutting miles of roads for the race to run between canyons. The business community, the local workers,
the entire town WANTS racing here. This one race brings millions of dollars to the local community.
I'm sure the other races do the same for Ensenada and other towns they visit.
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Curt63
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Heres a picture of the chickenchit
Jenkins Brothers
Seriously Nomads. The buttcrack makes all offroaders in Baja look bad.
This guy needs to do the right thing and SCORE needs to crucify the bastard publicly.
No worries
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David K
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When people, any people, come to Baja from north of the border for any reason IT IS GOOD FOR BAJA.
People spend money... gas stations, taco stands, markets, charter boats, tire repairs, bars, restaurants, motels, camp grounds... Where-ever they do
it, spending money in one place spreads the wealth to others. All those businesses hire others or buy products for their business... money keeps
moving from one to another... basic economics.
If you want to start a TREE HUGGER 1000 and see if the number of people come to Baja to hug 1000 trees comes anywhere close to what Baja racing
does... that would be GREAT... DO IT!
The off road racing community pumps all sorts of money into Mexico and racers and fans return to Baja the rest of the year to enjoy the other things
there, and to help orphanages, too.
Sadly, people are killed and injured by others/ non-racers, all year long... A race is not to blame, poor judgement is.
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Cyanide41
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Only on this board can we take a heart warming story about Marines saving this guys life after an unfortunate (and avoidable) accident and turn it
into a debate.
El Faro, because you don't know that the baja 1000 does a loop from Ensenada to San Felipe every other year, tells me that don't know much about this
race. Did you get that El Faro? They have been running this northern loop format for years.
How can you say that local buisness in Ensenada does not flurish during this race? Hotels are sold out, bars and restaruants are packed, even the guy
hawking chiclets sees increased sales. Now let's take a second to look at buisnesses that rely on offroading, from a local taller, to Meling Ranch.
I could sit here all day an knit pick all the crap you just spit out, but I don't have the kind of time. The only thing you said that has any merit is
that the Ranchers are unhappy about people tearing up the back country. Offroaders everywhere need to take better care of the land they tread on.
[Edited on 12-28-2010 by Cyanide41]
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Brian L
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
If you want to start a TREE HUGGER 1000 and see if the number of people come to Baja to hug 1000 trees comes anywhere close to what Baja racing
does... that would be GREAT... DO IT!
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Sign me up! Wait, do these trees have spines?
Brian
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BajaGeoff
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| Quote: | | Sign me up! Wait, do these trees have spines? |
No....that is the Cactus 1000.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Curt63
Heres a picture of the chickenpoop
Jenkins Brothers
Seriously Nomads. The buttcrack makes all offroaders in Baja look bad.
This guy needs to do the right thing and SCORE needs to crucify the bastard publicly. |
I looked at his site, followed it to his racing site and his racing news and this is what it says.
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Mike Jenkins' Baja 1000 Run Ends Abruptly With a Crash During a Pre-race Shakedown Run. The #86 Trophy Truck piloted by Mike Jenkins was damaged in
crash that occurred during a pre-race shakedown run late yesterday (November 17). Mike was uninjured, but the damage to the truck was extensive enough
to take the #86 out of the running for the 2010 Baja 1000.
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Seems to be some missing information.  With the missing information the priorities are rather evident.
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
I looked at his site, followed it to his racing site and his racing news and this is what it says.
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Mike Jenkins' Baja 1000 Run Ends Abruptly With a Crash During a Pre-race Shakedown Run. The #86 Trophy Truck piloted by Mike Jenkins was damaged in
crash that occurred during a pre-race shakedown run late yesterday (November 17). Mike was uninjured, but the damage to the truck was extensive enough
to take the #86 out of the running for the 2010 Baja 1000.
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Seems to be some missing information. With the missing information the priorities are rather evident. |
I agree Diana and just sent them an email from their website saying so. I truly hope that the racing community ostracizes this creep...
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gnukid
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El Faro,
I am for safety and ecology and not the negative aspects of racing, but I am also for the right of people to pursue their passion and dreams in
sports. I personally do find the sport to be out of control at times and I stay out of the way as the racers drive by my house all night long at full
speed during races.
In La Paz at least the idea of the race is very influential among children and all types of people even though we may not attend the race. Everyone
imagines the chance of doing it and many mechanics build race cars, though not to complete in the Baja 1000.
In the past I would follow the race and I did find it to be dangerous so I stopped, but I would not deny the dreams of others to pursue the sport or
any other, while we keep in mind that sports are dangerous, bike-riding, running, sailing, car racing etc...
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
I looked at his site, followed it to his racing site and his racing news and this is what it says.
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Mike Jenkins' Baja 1000 Run Ends Abruptly With a Crash During a Pre-race Shakedown Run. The #86 Trophy Truck piloted by Mike Jenkins was damaged in
crash that occurred during a pre-race shakedown run late yesterday (November 17). Mike was uninjured, but the damage to the truck was extensive enough
to take the #86 out of the running for the 2010 Baja 1000.
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Seems to be some missing information. With the missing information the priorities are rather evident. |
I agree Diana and just sent them an email from their website saying so. I truly hope that the racing community ostracizes this creep...
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That, I think, is a very good idea---
Like you, offroad racing is not my favorite sport, but many love it including a number of our local friends in Bahia Asuncion and more are getting
involved in one way or another. And the local stuff can be a lot of fun---except the damage to the roads.
His behavior, unfortunately, reflects poorly on many. And even if he were to apologize now, it would still reflect poorly on his character that he
needed to hear from others that what he did was wrong and what he wrote on his webpage was, well-----
Hope the Marine receives more kudos and recognition.
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Sweetwater
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Well, I'm going to speak up here:
I came to Baja for my first visit as part of a motorcycle race team. There were 7 of us, 3 chasers/pit crew (me) and 4 racers, one is a woman. Without
this opportunity to experience Baja during the pre-run, race and return home, I might not have been adventurous enough to explore the peninsula and
meet many fine folks on my own.
Because of my positive experience, I'll be back soon, the trip and dates are planned. Don't paint with such broad strokes and we'll all get along some
how....most of us played by the rules and did not cause accidents....unlike some active spectators who booby trapped sections of the race...and that
is also nothing new.
I don't condone the cause of the accident if it was truly an issue with the racer but I applaud the individual who stepped up and saved a man. See you
soon.......
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
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When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
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ElFaro
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
No mater what you're observations are, they really don't apply to the entire racing community. When the 250 runs in San Felipe, ALL hotel/motel
rooms are booked weeks in advance - at premium prices for busy times. A race team for the TTs will rent 8 to 15 rooms for anywhere from a week to a
month to cover pre-running as well as the race. And the local restaurants are full of racers and the support personnel. Local mechanics and parts
stores are busy helping with last minute repairs.
Last year, the locals spent their own money cutting miles of roads for the race to run between canyons. The business community, the local workers,
the entire town WANTS racing here. This one race brings millions of dollars to the local community.
I'm sure the other races do the same for Ensenada and other towns they visit. |
Yea...all the hotels, bars, and restaurants that are left (which aren't many) after being crushed by this economy.
As for the "millions of dollars" brought to the community by one race...show me the hard figures broken down by category. If so many millions are
pumped in, why has the local community shrunk?
The local community WANTS racing because with 80% unemployment in these local villages...THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. To them it's something rather than
nothing.
BTW...I know of a "taco stand" in Ensenada that was popular with the racing crowd taking in all kinds of $'s but still had to close down...there is
simply no business the rest of the year....hey David K current simple economics.
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Cap
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The economy in Mexico is bad?
Im shocked..
Off road racing brings ALOT of revenue to Baja. Watch the ramps of all the associated airports fill up with Jet fuel burning planes around race time.
Support crews fill rooms and eat and drink and take taxis, and buy fuel of all flavors. Is it a perfect system of consistent revenue? No. Does it
bring interest and mostly good press to the area? Absolutely!
People with an axe to grind will always have isolated negative examples to beat you with but the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
Fly low, land on roads.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ElFaro
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BTW...I know of a "taco stand" in Ensenada that was popular with the racing crowd taking in all kinds of $'s but still had to close down...there is
simply no business the rest of the year....hey David K current simple economics. |
Yah ElFaro, your socialist/ re-distribution buddies not only wrecked our economy in the U.S. but everywhere else that depended on U.S. tourism for an
income!
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by ElFaro
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BTW...I know of a "taco stand" in Ensenada that was popular with the racing crowd taking in all kinds of $'s but still had to close down...there is
simply no business the rest of the year....hey David K current simple economics. |
Yah ElFaro, your socialist/ re-distribution buddies not only wrecked our economy in the U.S. but everywhere else that depended on U.S. tourism for an
income! |
Do you really need to start a political discussion, again? Good troll work, but really belongs in off-topic.
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David K
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It is economics, not off topic... I was responding to what ElFaro was posting (lies about the economy of off road racing).. why not address errors
posted by those of your own politic views? 
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DianaT
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It is economics, not off topic... I was responding to what ElFaro was posting (lies about the economy of off road racing).. why not address errors
posted by those of your own politic views? |
There are people on ALL sides of the political spectrum who agree and or disagree about if the Baja races are a positive or negative economic,
environmental, etc. influence in Baja.
I do and do not agree with the arguments made by El Faro, but I do not see anywhere where he has brought politics into the conversation---and frankly,
I have zero knowledge of what are his politics.
But I guess maybe you cannot see the difference, or maybe you assume since he disagrees with you his politics are different, ----who knows----but your
statement is clearly a political assumption and statement and a troll.
[Edited on 12-29-2010 by DianaT]
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Marc
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A few years back I spent some time with a Score race veteran and listened to some really scary stories about the race and the people connected with
it. I love to watch anyway; uphill and on the inside of the curve.
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