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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
"Can Rosarito recover? Yes, if it gets back to what it did before they killed the goose that laid the golden egg- offer a close-by, unique travel
experience at a great price. Same for real estate. But they can't make a change like that. It's not in them to. jmho joe"
Spot on, it was why many used to choose to come down... not to buy real estate.. but, to cross the border and be into another country... with much
less in the way of perfect roads, services, and things like "electricity" "running water" and "shopping"... but, had lots' of beach, along with
excellent fishing, surfing, camping and "drinking".. without the hassle of State side BS ....
It's changed... but, agree it could come back... if they get over the BS they were sold on Real Estate being an excellent investment opportunity...
rather than a home is a place to just live in.... Enough.. Give me a good cave.. with no plants or granite counter tops....
There are lawyers jokes... think we need a few Real Estate Agent jokes about now... as what a just "cracker jack" job they have down south of the
Border, or wait a minute... NOB too... thanks, a lot ... glad you got your 6% for nothing... pound sand... |
Realtors get 10% for doing nothing in Mexico Wiley, not 6%. With only 200 transactions in Rosarito Beach last year, even 10% won't keep them all
alive. The good news is prices on some developments in Rosarito are being slashed by 30%- sadly that must not be enough. Yeah, I'd like the value of
my oceanfront house to increase, but like you said- that's not why we live here. We live here because it is our home, not an investment. What Mexico
needs to learn is to clean your house first- before you invite company over.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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The leak has been fixed-I just think your negativity does not help ANYTHING
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| Quote: | Originally posted by krafty
The leak has been fixed-I just think your negativity does not help ANYTHING |
Go back and read 3000 of my posts. Truth is only negativity to those too blind to see and too lazy to act. The beaches are still closed and will be
until at least tomorrow. See- the truth sneaks up on you again... pray for the dolphins and don't eat any clams..
http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/27012...
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead
[Edited on 1-28-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Stand corrected.... Woooosh... and yes have been watching for a number of years.. and tracking.. for Tijuana, Rosarito, and Ensenada
It's not as bad as Las Vegas yet (57.2% since 2006) ... but of course it will have to adjust .... as the unemployment across the border is the
"factor" in my mind... coupled with the very high unemployment in the Tijuana Ensenada Corridor ...
Been back "up" now for two months... and can only say... it's not all "roses and lilacs'" for most of my neighbors ... guy to one side is has his own
truck for hauling rock... he has been down for over two years, the other guy across the street... does remodels on commercial real estate (all over
the place, does job in HI, NY, FL... and he has not been working either.. the lady also across the street has had one of her children move back, lost
job and "condo"... to the south husband and wife... wife is a Biology Teacher in the Saddleback School District.. He is a minister, they hanging on by
their teeth.. with help from family.. (Persian) bought at the highest and took out a second to expand their home... to a two story...
Homes are being rented with sometimes as many as four families living in one home... parking becomes a problem...
Strip malls are almost vacant, the large malls a basically "dead" and the small startup's die quickly, and many of the folks that have been in some of
the locations decades are being caught with those "high" values turned in by Appraisers which equates to high lease payments.. couple that with no
customers to "purchase" in order to make money to pay the lease...
Would hope that the sharing of others "views" on what is going on in Baja, and the States could be taken just as "information" which can be used to
make an informed decision on any number of issues... associated with home ownership, the purchase of food, and how to keep safe .... either in Baja or
NOB...
One must keep their guard up at all times in life.... to think otherwise is to invite trouble...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Stand corrected.... Woooosh... and yes have been watching for a number of years.. and tracking.. for Tijuana, Rosarito, and Ensenada
It's not as bad as Las Vegas yet (57.2% since 2006) ... but of course it will have to adjust .... as the unemployment across the border is the
"factor" in my mind... coupled with the very high unemployment in the Tijuana Ensenada Corridor ...
Been back "up" now for two months... and can only say... it's not all "roses and lilacs'" for most of my neighbors ... guy to one side is has his own
truck for hauling rock... he has been down for over two years, the other guy across the street... does remodels on commercial real estate (all over
the place, does job in HI, NY, FL... and he has not been working either.. the lady also across the street has had one of her children move back, lost
job and "condo"... to the south husband and wife... wife is a Biology Teacher in the Saddleback School District.. He is a minister, they hanging on by
their teeth.. with help from family.. (Persian) bought at the highest and took out a second to expand their home... to a two story...
Homes are being rented with sometimes as many as four families living in one home... parking becomes a problem...
Strip malls are almost vacant, the large malls a basically "dead" and the small startup's die quickly, and many of the folks that have been in some of
the locations decades are being caught with those "high" values turned in by Appraisers which equates to high lease payments.. couple that with no
customers to "purchase" in order to make money to pay the lease...
Would hope that the sharing of others "views" on what is going on in Baja, and the States could be taken just as "information" which can be used to
make an informed decision on any number of issues... associated with home ownership, the purchase of food, and how to keep safe .... either in Baja or
NOB...
One must keep their guard up at all times in life.... to think otherwise is to invite trouble... |
yeah Wiley, the world economy is brutal for anyone but the top 1%. I wish I had stayed working a few more years but am thankful my houses are paid
for, not that I could sell them if I needed to these days. You have been wise and cautious on your approach to Baja real estate following the
BajaNomads golden rule: "Never invest more than you can afford to walk away from.'' Don't hold you breath waiting for Baja prices to adjust downward
to the right number to make sales happen. Real Estate and Retail will wait it out- as if there is another goose laying golden eggs on her way. There
is a set of huge red Talavera pots I have been eyeing for two years on Popotla Blvd. The guy wants $700 for the pair and won't drop his price. He'll
go out of business with the $700 price tag on them and wonder what happened. Same with real estate. Stuck on stupid and ignorant of the laws of
economics.
I am glued to CNN today watching the Egypt protests. The people hate their dictator and the brutal police- but are cheering and welcoming the
Military (who they trust). There are no other political parties there to fill the leadership void either. Egypt tried to block the protests by
blocking the internet- and the protesters went back in time to dial-up internet access. WOW!
What a time we live in. Perhaps 2012 is indeed the end of it all.
[Edited on 1-28-2011 by Woooosh]
[Edited on 1-28-2011 by Woooosh]
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gnukid... "Everything you learned in kindergarten and beyond is important-do not disregard your instincts."
Think this is where it all starts.. and the individual is formed by a gender structured society...
As for influence of external associations which would influence this process.. one only has to look to the Board of Education>State of
California>Federal Government>PCA monies
I could not agree more about "dumbing down of America"... the goals set out for many: Singer, Dancer or Athlete .... we are still not into giving
rewards to the scientists, monetary, visibility, respect... rather scientists are still award with "Geek" status.... EXCEPT IN CHINA...
There the CEO's of high tech Companies and Agencies are run by scientists with MBA's not MBA's... telling scientists "how the cow eats the cabbage"...
which we see here in the States... think we could all come up with more than one example of "leaders" of our country or appointments to various
agency's that lack any qualifications for the SCIENCE which they are making "calls" on... e.i Department of Interior not following permit requirements
for the drilling in the Gulf...
Thanks for the "view" gnukid it all helps
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
gnukid... "Everything you learned in kindergarten and beyond is important-do not disregard your instincts."
Think this is where it all starts.. and the individual is formed by a gender structured society...
As for influence of external associations which would influence this process.. one only has to look to the Board of Education>State of
California>Federal Government>PCA monies
I could not agree more about "dumbing down of America"... the goals set out for many: Singer, Dancer or Athlete .... we are still not into giving
rewards to the scientists, monetary, visibility, respect... rather scientists are still award with "Geek" status.... EXCEPT IN CHINA...
There the CEO's of high tech Companies and Agencies are run by scientists with MBA's not MBA's... telling scientists "how the cow eats the cabbage"...
which we see here in the States... think we could all come up with more than one example of "leaders" of our country or appointments to various
agency's that lack any qualifications for the SCIENCE which they are making "calls" on... e.i Department of Interior not following permit requirements
for the drilling in the Gulf...
Thanks for the "view" gnukid it all helps |
I agree Wiley. Obama's SOU address the other night had one point I had not considered about immigration reform. A foreign student overstays his visa
after earning an advanced science degree and the current system wants to deport him back home to compete against us. Let's keep the brains here and
adjust out immigration policy to make us more competitive in the world, not less. We need people with educations, the rest of them here illegally
that are drain to our resources and that do not contribute to our collective future they can deport imho. I don't think Obama said the last part.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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"I agree Wiley. Obama's SOU address the other night had one point I had not considered about immigration reform. A foreign student overstays his visa
after earning an advanced science degree and the current system wants to deport him back home to compete against us. Let's keep the brains here and
adjust out immigration policy to make us more competitive in the world, not less. We need people with educations, the rest of them here illegally that
are drain to our resources and that do not contribute to our collective future they can deport imho. I don't think Obama said the last part."
-Woooosh
Just seems to me that before we had the economic meldtdown and the huge jump in unemployment, there was an almost miniscule opposition to the
undocumented population. Not only were they the darlings of corporations and the business community as a whole, because they worked hard and were
paid third world wages, with no benefits. But there are myriad studies that demonstrate that illegals were much less likely to avail themselves of
emergency rooms and other social safety net programs than were the legal poor, for fear of being deported. I thoroughly agree with the the notion
that we need to retain educated foreigners, and even to encourage their citizenship. But I fear there is such a high level of xenophobia abounding
right now, that the baby will continue to be thrown out with the bath water.
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Not sure I would characterize opposition to the undocumented population as "miniscule" rather one of "perception" created by some...
Illegal immigration has long been a problem in the United States, especially since the latter half of the twentieth century.
The origins of illegal immigration date to the late nineteenth century. In 1875, a federal law was passed which prohibited entry of convicts and
prostitutes. In 1882 President Chester A. Arthur banned almost all Chinese immigration to the United States, and shortly thereafter barred paupers,
criminals and the mentally ill from entering. Although this affected only a small percentage of immigrants, there were now distinctions between legal
and illegal immigration. Before this, immigration was barely regulated.
Ellis Island, the New York portal for immigrants, opened in 1892 and became the nation’s premier federal immigration station. New arrivals were
required to prove their identities, answer a series of questions, find a friend or relative who could vouch for them, and were scanned for physical
ailments. When it ended operation in 1954, Ellis Island had processed over 12 million legal immigrants.
During the large wave of immigration from 1881 to 1920, nearly 23½ million immigrants poured into the United States from all over the world. In 1921,
Congress passed a Quota Law that reduced immigration to 357,000 a year and limited the number of immigrants from any one country. In 1924 immigration
was reduced further to 160,000 a year, and in 1929, immigration was cut to 157,000 and quotas were again reset based on national origins in the 1920
U.S. Census. The rationale was that these laws would ensure the existing ethnic composition of the country and help assimilate the 15 million southern
and eastern Europeans who had entered the previous forty years.
However, the door was left open for Mexicans (who even then were desired by employers for their cheap labor) and northern Europeans. As history would
show, this legal immigration led to illegal immigration and foreshadowed today’s debate on these topics. During the 1920s illegal immigration was the
subject of heated Congressional debates. Edward H. Dowell, vice-president of the California Federation of Labor, testified before the U.S. Senate
Committee on Immigration in February of 1928 about the burden of the unrestricted flow of Mexicans on the state’s taxpayers, prisons, hospitals and
American workers’ wages. He estimated that while 67,000 Mexicans entered the U.S. legally the prior year, many times that number entered illegally.
Furthermore, a Los Angeles Times story from April 1926 noted that many of the ranch workers in California’s Imperial Valley entered the U.S. illegally
without passing the (then) literacy test and did not pay the $18 entrance fee. In February of 1929, the U.S. House Immigration Committee heard
testimony from government officials about problems at the border with both Canada and Mexico, including steps that were taken to eliminate the “visa
mill” at Juarez (opposite El Paso), where were found “the most lax conditions imaginable in connection with inspection of persons wishing to enter the
United States.” Visas were required for legal residency.
Immigration dropped sharply during the lean years of the Great Depression. After the stock market crashed in 1929, the U.S. tightened visa rules which
markedly reduced Mexican immigration. Local, state and federal government officials debated what to do with those already here. Some Mexicans
repatriated themselves either voluntarily or under pressure from local welfare officials. Others were deported. Eventually between about 500,000 to
1,000,000 Mexicans left the United States between 1929 and 1939. This was due to deportation, as well as other factors such as the threat of
deportation and acute unemployment.
This repatriation began during President Herbert Hoover’s administration and reached its peak in the early 1930s. It also applied to all alien groups,
not just Mexicans. Hoover believed they were taking jobs from Americans, and endorsed a vigorous effort to reduce legal and illegal entries and expel
“undesirable aliens.” Deportations and repatriations of Mexicans and others decreased (along with legal immigration) during President Franklin
Roosevelt’s administration, during the Great Depression, but did not end. In July 1935, for example, Roosevelt ordered a large deportation of alien
criminals (such as mail robbers), but exempted Mexican and Canadian criminals due to the fear that they would sneak back in.
Today’s high level of illegal immigration originated during the war years of the early 1940s. Labor shortages caused the federal government to set up
a program to import Mexican laborers to work temporarily in agriculture, primary in the Southwest. This was called the Bracero Program. The goal was
to import foreign workers (originally thought to number in the hundreds) during agricultural harvest and then encourage them to go home.
Over the next two decades about 4.8 million Mexican workers came into the country and provided cheap labor to many U.S. employers. Although braceros
were supposed to be hired only if an adequate number of Americans could not be found, employers preferred the foreign workers who were willing to work
for lesser wages. The program finally ended in 1964 due to complaints from unions and Mexican-Americans that these foreigners were taking jobs from
them. Not surprisingly, many of the former braceros reentered and worked in the U.S. illegally -- many for the same employers. Illegal immigration
increased greatly during the years of the supposed “temporary work” Bracero Program. The Los Angeles Times reported in May 1950 that 21,000 Mexican
nationals had “flooded across Mexican border into the United States during April” and complained about the overworked, understaffed border patrolmen
and the “the endless wave of line jumpers, unprecedented in the nation’s history.” The argument about jobs “Americans won’t do” was recited by an
employer, while the authorities stressed the need to enforce the law.
During President Dwight D. Eisenhower’s first term, it was estimated that illegal Mexican border crossings had grown to about 1 million. Such a
massive illegal workforce had a devastating impact on the wages of American workers. Eisenhower, concerned about corruption that resulted from the
profits of illegal labor, took decisive action. In 1954 he appointed General Joseph Swing to head the Immigration and Naturalization Service. Shortly
thereafter, “Operation *******” was launched. With only 1,075 Border Patrol agents, tens of thousands of illegal aliens were caught and sent back deep
into Mexico. Hundreds of thousands more returned to their homeland voluntarily. Illegal immigration had dropped 95% by the end of the 1950s.
But it was not to last, as seen in prior decades, after the 1965 Immigration Act passed, while legal immigration increased sharply, illegal
immigration rose right along with it. As the Center for Immigration Studies noted, this increased immigration in part because Congress “shifted the
legal preference system to family relations and away from employment needs and immigrant ability.” Senator Edward Kennedy said at the time: “The bill
will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society.” However, this bill spurred “chain migration” which fueled
illegal immigration, along with a sense of entitlement amongst illegal immigrants. In subsequent decades, Mexico has become the primary source country
of both legal and illegal immigration.
Many illegal aliens also use the lure of “birthright citizenship,” (a/k/a “anchor babies”) to circumvent U.S. immigration laws and gain permanent
residency, if not citizenship. This is a misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution that grants U.S. citizenship on those born on
American soil, including children of illegal aliens. Illegal immigrants know that the odds are low that U.S. immigration authorities will deport them,
if they have a child who is an American citizen (and who as a bonus also qualifies for taxpayer-funded benefits).
Since the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, Congress has passed seven amnesties:
1. Immigration and Reform Control Act (IRCA), 1986: A blanket amnesty for over 2.7 million illegal aliens
2. Section 245(i) Amnesty, 1994: A temporary rolling amnesty for 578,000 illegal aliens
3. Section 245(i) Extension Amnesty, 1997: An extension of the rolling amnesty created in 1994
4. Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA) Amnesty, 1997: An amnesty for close to one million illegal aliens from Central
America
5. Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act Amnesty (HRIFA), 1998: An amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti
6. Late Amnesty, 2000: An amnesty for some illegal aliens who claim they should have been amnestied under the 1986 IRCA amnesty, an estimated 400,000
illegal aliens
7. LIFE Act Amnesty, 2000: A reinstatement of the rolling Section 245(i) amnesty, an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens
The largest of these amnesties was the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) which amnestied about 3 million illegal aliens. This law was
supposed to be a compromise -- an attempt to finally limit illegal immigration through strengthened border security and increased immigration
enforcement against employers -- combined with amnesty for the millions of illegal workers in the United States. Illegal immigrants who had resided in
the U.S. for five years and met other conditions received temporary legal status, which could be later upgraded to citizenship.
President Ronald Reagan approved this “path to citizenship” amnesty due to what was believed to be a relatively small illegal immigrant population.
Unlike many current politicians and amnesty proponents, Reagan called this what it was: amnesty. Unfortunately, there was widespread document fraud
and the number of illegal aliens seeking amnesty far exceeded expectations. Most importantly, there was no political will to enforce the law against
employers. The 1986 IRCA amnesty failed and actually led to millions of more people entering the United States illegally.
While President Bill Clinton made some efforts to combat illegal immigration during the 1990s, the problem remained. In 1996 the Illegal Immigration
Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 was passed. Still, leaders from Central American and Caribbean nations relied heavily on untaxed
remittances sent back to their countries from the United States, and worried that Clinton would support mass deportations. While at least paying lip
service to enforcement of laws, Clinton assured these leaders that there would be no mass deportations. There were about 7 million illegal aliens
residing in the U.S. when he left office.
The eight years of President George W. Bush’s administration saw a marked increase in illegal immigration and a drop in immigration enforcement
throughout much of his tenure. For example, the number of illegal aliens arrested in workplace cases fell from nearly 3,000 in 1999 to 445 in 2003,
with the number of criminal cases against employers during this period falling from 182 to four. Not surprisingly, by 2005, there were an estimated
10-20 million illegal aliens living in the United States. Even at the end of 2007 after the Bush administration’s enforcement crackdown had been
underway; only 92 criminal arrests of employers had taken place, in an economy that, according to the Washington Post, includes 6 million businesses
that employ more than 7 million illegal foreign workers.
Despite the failure of past amnesties and the fact that these increase illegal immigration, Bush repeatedly pushed mass legalization (amnesty) schemes
for illegal immigrants using the well-worn line that they “are doing jobs Americans will not” or “are not” doing. One scheme was the Comprehensive
Immigration Reform Act 2007 which was defeated by widespread popular opposition.
Today, over 1 million immigrants enter our country legally per year, while the illegal alien population grows by about 500,000 per year. Most of those
who violate our borders and enter illegally come from Mexico and other Latin American countries. Only about 6 percent of the illegals come from Canada
and Europe. Close to half of all illegal immigrants now residing in the U.S. did not enter illegally but rather overstayed their visas. Just as the
federal government has historically failed to secure its borders, it has concurrently failed to closely monitor visa holders.
About 12-20 million illegal aliens currently reside in the United States. California has more illegals than any other state, at about 2.4 million.
Others states with high illegal alien populations include Texas, Florida and New York, although many states are now impacted.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies
Don't know what article you were plagiarizing  But this link is to an organization that is both considered conservative and
promotes repatriation of illegals. Their estimate of the current illegal population is way lower than 12-20 million.
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Well, thats another way of looking at it... isn't it...
Wasn't aware a simple cut and paste would be considered MY idea's...
As I didn't claim authorship, rather just googled the subject and found this article.. and cut and pasted, if there are discrepancy in the report I
will stand correct on all error's which you find...
As stated before the "perception" as created by some... and gee, big surprise their numbers would be lower... pound sand..
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Bottom Line! The USA has got too many people already. Getting sorta crowded.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
"I agree Wiley. Obama's SOU address the other night had one point I had not considered about immigration reform. A foreign student overstays his visa
after earning an advanced science degree and the current system wants to deport him back home to compete against us. Let's keep the brains here and
adjust out immigration policy to make us more competitive in the world, not less. We need people with educations, the rest of them here illegally that
are drain to our resources and that do not contribute to our collective future they can deport imho. I don't think Obama said the last part."
-Woooosh
Just seems to me that before we had the economic meldtdown and the huge jump in unemployment, there was an almost miniscule opposition to the
undocumented population. Not only were they the darlings of corporations and the business community as a whole, because they worked hard and were
paid third world wages, with no benefits. But there are myriad studies that demonstrate that illegals were much less likely to avail themselves of
emergency rooms and other social safety net programs than were the legal poor, for fear of being deported. I thoroughly agree with the the notion
that we need to retain educated foreigners, and even to encourage their citizenship. But I fear there is such a high level of xenophobia abounding
right now, that the baby will continue to be thrown out with the bath water. |
The economic world has changed forever. The old rules no longer apply. Growth is optional, change is inevitable. I think most of us have a problem
accepting the world of ten years ago is gone forever. Obama gets it. The days of of having a union job for life and retiring with health benefits
and a pension you can live on are gone forever. It's very hard for people my age (50's) to accept so much economic change in such a short period of
time. I thought I'd be able to do more consulting after my retirement- but that's not the case. People half my age, with half my experience will do
the same thing for half the price- and from India no less. I didn't see it coming either. The world is flat now.
I don't know the data about illegal immigrants and health services. I have family living illegally in the USA and they take advantage of every gov't
service (housing, human services, food stamps, etc) they can get. Usually it is a fellow Mexican in the office that helps them through the process in
Spanish and actually encourages it. That part bugs me and I'll never accept it. But it is what it is.
[Edited on 1-28-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by krafty
Woosh it seems to me that you are part of the problema-we need to chill the bad news about Rosarito-once again, if you are not selling and dealing in
drugs I believe you will be fine-why spread the fear? As far as crossing back, there are several places in Baja that for a couple of bucks you can get
a fast track pass if you are not interested in a SENTRI-think it would be wise for the gov./restaurant assoc. to make this option more known. You
claim there is no longer incentive to come here-as I write I am looking at the beautiful ocean with frolicking dolphins in front of me-and yes, I live
here full time, have done nothing different than we did 10 years ago. Folks pay good money to be by the beach and enjoy the weather, mexican food,
graciousness of the local folks-why are YOU here? |
I am part of the problem? Chill? I am here because Rosarito is my family' home. You just did the equivalent of telling the Mexicans in the USA to
shut their mouths and go back home to Mexico. What a racist comment. The truth I post here is not to scare people, but to bridge the gap between
what the media reports and the truth. Why are you afraid of the truth? Everyone has their comfort zones. I'm very happy here, but feel everyone
considering a trip to Baja Norte should know what they can expect once they cross into the third world that is of Mexico.
"Chilling" and the philosophy of "manana" are what allowed Mexico to slip back into instability. This is not a country of social activists- Mexicans
tend to peek out their windows, not march in the streets. They feels impotent as the WikiLeaks cables point out (and the new Mexican cables released
this week only reinforce that). I don't think you understand how important this time is for the survival of Mexico. Mexico has to either step up now,
or accept it cannot enforce the rule of law and protect its people. Chilling is the problem here. Why do you think there are 11 million Mexicans in
the USA? They pretty much gave up on Mexico. My Mexican family prefers to stay here, fight for the people and create change.
And while you are watching the dolphins play here in Rosarito today, be aware the beaches are closed all the way to TJ because of the large unchecked
sewage spills. The dolphins you are enjoying are being poisoned by Mexico as you watch. Shame on you for challenging rational peaceful activism and
the truth. Geeesh.
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Great post Krafty and I for one agree with you and think that Whooosh should quit whining and go back America if he think Mexico is too dangerous. And
that's not racist either. Nobody talked about deporting Whooosh like Americans talk about deporting Mexicans all the time. Maybe Whooosh has Mexican
citizenship? If so he should stand tall and talk like a American-Mexican and say Mexico is my home!
Whooosh is starting to sound like those "Alarmist" anti-Mexico bloggers sites I see Whooosh posting at all the time, and he sounds like a frustrated
American real estate agent working in Baja. I'm sorry real estate is doing very poorly in Baja. Real Estate isn't too good anywhere especially in
Nevada I hear.
Krafty is right the majority of killings in Mexico is drug cartel related, and turf wars caused when the Mexican military takes out a cartel Kingpin
and with that cartel weakened other cartel move causing stability issues and turf wars. The cartels are also not going to stand by and see the Mexican
government wipe them out, and so they are taking the fight to the streets and engaging in terrorism the headless bodies are all about "shock and awe!"
Americans in Mexico shouldn't worry too much about being killed by cartel members or getting kidnapped. They should worry more about traffic accidents
because most of the deaths are caused by accidents in Mexico.
Now if you want to know what's racist it's Whooosh talking about " philosophy of "manana" and how Mexicans only peek out their windows and don't march
in the streets.
Right Whooosh all Mexicans have the philosophy of "manana!"  Whoosh also blames
the Catholic church for blaming Satan. He wrote that somewhere else. Whooosh don't get me started on the religious right in America and what they
believe.
The other complain I often hear is Mexicans don't think of the future only the here and now. I wish they made up their mind. Do the Mexicans just
worry about the present or do they run around saying Manana all the time? Well the last Mexican revolution was in 1910 and that wasn't that long ago.
When Bush was destroying America I didn't see the Americans rising up in the streets either. In 2006 I saw plenty of Mexicans protesting in the
streets of Los Angeles over a racist immigration bill that would have made their parents felons. The protests worked because the GOP backed away from
that Congress bill. Perhaps Mexicans don't march in the street because they can't figure out who is the bad guy? The drug cartels or the Mexican
government? ( The thing is most Mexicans know their government is corrupt. Americans in the USA for the most part don't know their government is
corrupt too.)
BTW there still are plenty of day trippers to places like Tijuana, and the border is as busy as ever as people cross into Mexico and back everyday.
Mexico is still a very safe place to live or visit. There are certain places that are bad, but even places like Tijuana are still relatively safe.
There are certain actions like getting involved in narco trafficking that make Mexico very dangerous for you.
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Check your meds Joe. I never said Mexico is too dangerous for me, it is well within my comfort zone. All I have said is to tell the truth and let
people vote with their feet. That's not alarmist, it is intelligence.
Here's the story about the Catholic Church in Mexico training Exorcists to battle the cartels. You can't make this stuff up...
http://brazilweirdnews.blogspot.com/2011/01/church-prepares-...
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"Usually it is a fellow Mexican in the office that helps them through the process in Spanish and actually encourages it. That part bugs me and I'll
never accept it. But it is what it is."
burns my asss too! just wait until jerry brown doesn't get his utopian $55 billion tax increase this june.
time has come today!
don't get me wrong (or do, if it makes you all wet and squishy) i have plenty of friends that will be impacted. too bad for them. we can't afford this
shiet any longer. their country won't stop to watch me die in the streets so why should i?
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Now if you want to know what's racist it's Whooosh talking about " philosophy of "manana" and how Mexicans only peek out their windows and don't march
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I'm not following your logic here. Mexicans are not a race, they are a nationality. This woman is a Mexican:
You seem to be conflating entirely different issues.
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If she's Mexican, where's her mustache? (apologies in advance to my Mexican mother in law)
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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JoeJustJoe and Jay Garcia, being one and the same, is boring us with a pseudo dialog.
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The alter-alter ego allows him to post gratuitous soft porn.
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