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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
The good ole' "blame the USA" crowd is dancing on this guys grave. |
So...Who's fault is it that illegal drugs are pouring across our border and millions of Americans are using them...
The boogeyman?
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Cypress
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Look in the mirror, you are the boogeyman. 
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MrBillM
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Good Intentions Gone BAD !
Reading the story today in the L.A. [Socialist] Times, OF COURSE, they (the ATF) "Allowed" the guns to Go Into Mexico. After all, their
stated intention was to track the weapons, BUT prevent them from crossing the border. At which, they failed miserably having more than half go
missing.
Another example of "Don't TRUST the Feds to do the Job right". WHATEVER that job is.
WHY would we want them to do MORE, Including your Health-care.
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bajajazz
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Let's see, now. Gun shops in Arizona make major bucks selling assault weapons to drug dealers and don't want their business interrupted. So they pay
off the biggies at ATF to look the other way. ATF big shots justify their failure to do their job as part of some grand strategy to bring down a
cartel. "Strategy" doesn't work -- American agent gunned down.
Why am I not surprised?
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajazz
So they (gun dealers) pay off the biggies at ATF to look the other way. |
-----any proof, or references to back that statement up???
Barry
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The US/ Mexico border areas have become killing grounds. How many more lives will be lost before pot is legalized? One question. Who benefits from the
continued illegalization of pot?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajazz
Let's see, now. Gun shops in Arizona make major bucks selling assault weapons to drug dealers and don't want their business interrupted. So they pay
off the biggies at ATF to look the other way....... |
Actually, there were several gun shops who expressed concern to ATF agents over the sales of the weapons.......however the ATF supervisors overruled
the field agents....
Do your homework before making unsupported claims.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
The ATF agents are saying they were ordered to look the other way and so they did...and a U.S. border agent died because of it (not to mention all the
tragic deaths in Mexico that occured because of these smuggled weapons.
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The agent was murdered because he was in Mexico, unchaperoned and unarmed. If it hadn't been this particular weapon it would have
been another.
And, no U.S. agency smuggled these weapons into Mexico. I'm betting it was all Mexican citizens. |
These are two different events. The gun used to kill the ICE agent in his SUV was traced back to Dallas. The gun used to kill BP agent Terry was
traced back to this ATF Fast and Furious program.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
The US/ Mexico border areas have become killing grounds. How many more lives will be lost before pot is legalized? One question. Who benefits from the
continued illegalization of pot? |
I agree....I think, but if the product wasn't Pot, it would be People or something else. You can't just turn an army out into the streets with
nothing to do.
Perhaps it's time to revisit the "Fence" discussion
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woody with a view
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where's the fence?
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
The US/ Mexico border areas have become killing grounds. How many more lives will be lost before pot is legalized? One question. Who benefits from the
continued illegalization of pot? |
I agree....I think, but if the product wasn't Pot, it would be People or something else. You can't just turn an army out into the streets with
nothing to do.
Perhaps it's time to revisit the "Fence" discussion |
I don't think legalizing pot would make a dent in the cartel business at this point. The cartels move a lot of crystal meth (ice) and coke. Dennis
is right- they will step up other income making like kidnappings and extortions. What drugs were the 13 military guys carrying in their backpacks
when they got snagged on the way to TJ last week? Legalizing pot won't have an impact on cartel income at this point. Too late for that. This is
about money, not drugs.
And forget a border fence being the answer at this point too. The many tunnels under it show we have a false sense of security with the existing
border. (Hard to believe we don't have the anti-tunnel technology to find them when the TSA is developing ways to see through people clothes in huge
crowds to find suicide bombers). We need walls, not fences and in many areas we should back away from the actual geographic border line to create a
defensible border line.
[Edited on 3-5-2011 by Woooosh]
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Barry A.
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Wooosh---------Don't you thing that "tunnels", tho a problem, are really a minor problem in the general scheme of Border issues?? Not too many folks
and drugs come thru tunnels, relatively speaking, from what I understand.
Barry
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Wooosh---------Don't you thing that "tunnels", tho a problem, are really a minor problem in the general scheme of Border issues?? Not too many folks
and drugs come thru tunnels, relatively speaking, from what I understand.
Barry |
In the TJ area tunnels are a huge problem. They are very high tech with rails to move big shipments through. A few months ago a tractor trailer of
pot was found near the border and I doubt they were going to drive it across. I'll bet there are a dozen high-capacity tunnels in operation here.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Remember, according to the NRA folks, guns do not kill...what's the big deal?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
Remember, according to the NRA folks, guns do not kill...what's the big deal? |
Actually, guns don't.......just like cars don't..........it's the people
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Don't you thing that "tunnels", tho a problem, are really a minor problem in the general scheme of Border issues?? Not too many folks and drugs come
thru tunnels, relatively speaking, from what I understand.
Barry |
From what our people say, they don't know.
Why don't we have sensors buried in the ground to allert us to underground activity?
The more that obvious methods are ignored, the more I wonder who the enemy really is.
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No common sense, Dennis.........the people in charge don't or won't listen to the people in the field actually doing the job.....been there, have the
t-shirt.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
And forget a border fence being the answer at this point too. |
OK...I'll forget about it.
How about a Moat?
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woody with a view
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the agent just killed after firing bean bags.....
reminds me of another LE agency SOB using slingshots!
WTF?
they got us right where they want us!!!
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Anyone remember an outfit known as the CIA? These bad boys have been screwing with regimes and people all around the world for a long, long time. Talk
about rouge. Anyone want to rule out any CIA involvement in any of the Mexican drug problem?
I just have to believe that given the incredible revenue stream that drugs provide, short of a nuclear attack, this problem cannot be eradicated.
However, as in the days of PRI control of the Mexican government, it can still be managed. Is that right? Is that moral?
Geez. If you have an absolutist outlook on things, the situation will never improve. But the bloodshed and mayhem can abate significantly, if folks
are willing to be realistic about what's happening.
Moral? Perhaps not. Save lives? Absolutely.
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