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Cypress
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If we didn't have laws and regulations that enforce conservation there wouldn't be anything to conserve. Bag/catch limits, size/sex limits, methods,
seasons, closed areas/refuges etc. are the only reason some species aren't already extinct. Politicians do only what the voters force them to do.
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Skipjack Joe
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This recommended site:
contains this link:
http://www.conapesca.sagarpa.gob.mx/wb/cona/01_de_marzo_de_2011_mazatlan_sin
which is the spanish version of the first post on our thread.
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Martyman
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Spearo
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
shrimp migrate? |
All sorts of animals (and some plants) migrate. Mammals, reptiles, birds, insects, fishes, crustaceans, cephalopods...driven by food, reproduction,
density-driven dispersion and habitat.
I'm getting ready to migrate myself! |
I'm getting ready to Hibernate!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
...is a good and necessary thing. Not something to be politicized. To do so is to perpetrate potential harm. |
Of course. Tell that to the folks seeking to gut the feds control of greenhouse gasses. Or to the folks who deny evolution.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that DK was basically disingenuous when he feigned ignorance of Geln Beck.
Sometimes, I think that the movie "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" was actually a documentary.
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David K
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I am going out on a limb and say you really should try and know the people you like to name as disigenuous. I have never listened to the Glenn Beck
(sp?) show... and have only seen him briefly on TV with O'Reilly (sp?).
Come on over here and have a Pacifico with me, if you are going to want to keep bringing up DK this and DK that... so you can speak with some
authority... or find another subject, perhaps? There are plenty of Nomads who know me well, and they don't seem to have a need to use me like you
do... Let's enjoy each other's contributions and quests for knowledge or at least having a good time in Baja, okay?
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Bajahowodd
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There have been three versions of Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
But I will always prefer the 1956 b&w version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-jzblCbsuA
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mtgoat666
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those who have been snatched will deny they have been snatched.
and many people deny facts to validate their (mis)behaviour 
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I am going out on a limb and say you really should try and if you are going to want to keep bringing up DK this and DK that... so you can speak with
some authority... |
i stand by, "DK, THAT!"
[Edited on 3-5-2011 by woody with a view]
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Cypress
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Have watched Glenn Beck and listened to Rush Limbaugh. They're both more interesting than anything the liberal crowd has to offer.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Have watched Glenn Beck and listened to Rush Limbaugh. They're both more interesting than anything the liberal crowd has to offer.
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Are there two of you posting as Cypress?
Sometimes one of you sounds quite rational.
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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I showed Juan his and he too said this is an annual closure...they do it every year here during the reproductive cycle...not real news.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
There are plenty of Nomads who know me well, and they don't seem to have a need to use me like you do... Let's enjoy each other's contributions and
quests for knowledge or at least having a good time in Baja, okay? |
dk:
you are a lightning rod that has no idea he is a lighting rod. if you are going to say inflammatory things, don't be surprised when you get blowback.
have a nice night!
peace out!
yes we can!
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Have watched Glenn Beck and listened to Rush Limbaugh. They're both more interesting than anything the liberal crowd has to offer.
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oberhauf, maddow and the bald louisianan are much more entertaining than beck and the big fat liar!
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
I showed Juan his and he too said this is an annual closure...they do it every year here during the reproductive cycle...not real news.
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Shari,
Can you please explain what you mean.
An annual closure means closed all year. Shrimp reproduce during certain times of the year. "They do it every year during the reproductive cycle" is
seasonal closure.
The article really sounds as though commercial shrimping will terminate indefinitely in those areas starting March 31st.
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redhilltown
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DK...you threw out the term "eco fascism". YOU threw the first bomb...there could have been mistakes in the post and the areas named. You equated the
REPORT of a shrimp closure with a word that has associations with some serious death and destruction...you didn't mean it that way of course but words
count.
Just because there were shrimp in San Felipe when you first went there is meaningless and irrelevant. How many antelopes are in Antelope Valley?
They wouldn't cross man made barriers and died off...conservative friends laugh and say if they are that stupid they should die.
Shrimping is brutal. So tell us in your own words, how shrimping is done...the methods...the nets...the bycatch...the rollers across the ocean floor.
Or is all of that meaningless when you buy a kilo on the beach in San Felipe and butter it down with garlic over the fire? I have camped with Alaskan
fishermen at Gonzaga who were incensed how close the boats were in the bay...they KNEW what those boats were doing to the ocean floor and it ain't
pretty.
That said, I know people have to make a living and you can't just shut everything down but at the same time IT MAY be possible to be responsible and
to manage the industry so the children of the fishermen will have something to catch.
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Cypress
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toneart,
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David K
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Forcing an entire industry with countless families depending on its income out of business over an ecological concern (that has never been discussed
here) is eco-fascism. If the number of shrimp were so few, then the fishermen would have already planned for a change... They don't need a bureaucrat
to tell them to change what they catch if the numbers are still large.
I did qualify my comments to the post if it perhaps was in error... and from what Shari posted, it was. Case closed.
Perhaps some freedom of ideas shouldn't frighten you, just read and process. Don't have so much faith in government and so little in the PEOPLE who
are actually doing the job of feeding others.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
The argument is pointless. Closure or no closure, if Mexican fishermen want to shrimp then they're gonna shrimp. |
Actually, very few, if any, of the shrimpboats are owned by a local fisherman who is trying to feed his family. Most are owned by companies who hire
the crews to fish and while they may tell the guys to go out but be careful, it is a whole different story than the lone panguero.
There is some small, limited, shrimping done with a net and a panga, but it is usually in the bays when the grass shrimp are thick, and usually
occurs late summer and early fall.
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Spearo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Forcing an entire industry with countless families depending on its income out of business over an ecological concern (that has never been discussed
here) is eco-fascism. If the number of shrimp were so few, then the fishermen would have already planned for a change... They don't need a bureaucrat
to tell them to change what they catch if the numbers are still large.
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This is nonsense. Commercial fisheries have destroyed many fish stocks, atlantic cod and bluefin tuna come to mind. The atlantic cod fishery was
destroyed while people stood around and watched because too many folks were making too much money from its exploitation.
Biological systems have to be managed proactively, there is a time lag between human actions and the response of the system. To say market forces
will protect a fishery is laughable and demonstrably false.
Were it not for the abdomen, man would easily reckon himself a god.
Friedrich Nietzsche
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Forcing an entire industry with countless families depending on its income out of business over an ecological concern (that has never been discussed
here) is eco-fascism. If the number of shrimp were so few, then the fishermen would have already planned for a change... They don't need a bureaucrat
to tell them to change what they catch if the numbers are still large.
I did qualify my comments to the post if it perhaps was in error... and from what Shari posted, it was. Case closed.
Perhaps some freedom of ideas shouldn't frighten you, just read and process. Don't have so much faith in government and so little in the PEOPLE who
are actually doing the job of feeding others. |
most all natural resource harvest industries need regulation, otherwise you will see short-sighted harvesting with no regard for sustaining the
resources.
solo fishermen do a very poor job of self-regulating. govt control of seasons is best means of sustaining species. the fishing coops are themselves
govt-type organizations. maintaining sustainable fish stocks does not occur without regulation by a unified body, be it govt agency or coop (I assume
you say any regulations is fascism?)
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