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[*] posted on 4-27-2011 at 08:52 PM


As I understand it you feel that this film is designed to do the opposite of what it claims. The NGOS come up with this sort of thing in order to diffuse the change that they are advocating.

The argument goes that wealthy organizations who support development finance these NGOS in order to prevent those who are capable of stopping the development from doing just that (hence the "hopelessness" you think you see in the film).

Seems far fetched to me. Things are the opposite of what they seem. There are many who are attracted by that outlook in almost everything.

And those who are capable of making a difference? is the grass root movements?

Disagree with that as well. The native bajaenos are virtually powerless on their own. Alliances should be supported. You have a common goal despite what you think of their wealth and motives.

P.S I did read the article you provided the link to. Thank you for letting me understand better where you are coming from.
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[*] posted on 4-28-2011 at 06:45 AM


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Seņor Goat:

I don't know why I bother, but just look at their wordpress site:
sponsors that they listed-
http://www.fmcn.org/
http://conexionesinstitute.wordpress.com/
http://fasol-ac.org/
http://helmsleytrust.org/
http://www.conaculta.gob.mx/fpc_donativos.php
and a local NGO who does not disclose who their funders are but you can write them a note and ask them maybe they will tell you maybe not.



fishy pam:
i don't have desire to research each. please tell me which organizations have imperialist agenda. all or just a few?
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[*] posted on 4-28-2011 at 07:27 AM


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Nothing wrong with building and developing. Don't realy care for the golf courses though. Too much water wasted and fertilizer runoff.

I just bought a McDonald's franchise. Mind if I built it next door to you?

[Edited on 4-28-2011 by mcfez]




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[*] posted on 4-28-2011 at 10:01 AM


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Woosh this may help, we are starting to use this in our fight too:
http://www.starfishandspider.com/index.php?title=About_the_B...


I'm familiar with this social approach, but a starfish can't survive in polluted waters- let alone replicate it's independent limbs. If only it was that simple. I'll stick with producing a series of "educational YouTube videos" the starfish can use for impact once they are able to propagate. :)




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[*] posted on 4-28-2011 at 10:34 AM


Check out the song "Lochloosa" by J. J. Grey. Not Baja, but another place, equally precious.
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[*] posted on 4-29-2011 at 09:34 AM


Thanks for linking this video, that was not new news, but it is good to see the word getting out.
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[*] posted on 4-29-2011 at 09:40 AM


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Nothing wrong with building and developing. Don't realy care for the golf courses though. Too much water wasted and fertilizer runoff.

I just bought a McDonald's franchise. Mind if I built it next door to you?

[Edited on 4-28-2011 by mcfez]


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[*] posted on 4-29-2011 at 10:27 AM


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And woosh, you may find like minded individuals who will truly understand your cause, like the beach building, but unfortunately they will have their hands tied. I contacted some NGO's in your area and told them of the situation of that building on the federal zone, pointed them to your video and nada. They can't do much, their boards won't let them move in a meaningful direction unfortunately. They will raise your hopes and always put you on hold, unfortunately you must continue your fight. The only way I can see is people getting together and fighting those causes that are important to them, communicating and networking in a true grass roots, unencumbered way and gaining momentum that gets the attention of the politicos who can drive those agencies you list. The government has a lot worse on its hands to think about but we all have to defend what is ours and we have to maintain the pressure if we are to make any progress. My "cause" is fisheries and jobs, yours is keeping that federal zone clear so your town can have a public beach. Don't give up! Good luck to ya.


Hey Pam- appreciate all attempts to get land issues out in the open. A next step for me may be to take the advice of the FRAO office in Rosarito- to make it an expat issue. The last thing Rosarito needs is Americans with oceanfront homes complaining Mexicans steal their legal land concessions and build on the sand in front of them.

I figure the real estate market is already dead for now, so now may not be the time for the most impact to launch my issue in that forum. Can you imagine what any prospective Rosarito home buyer will say when they see the video of a guy coming out to beat an American retiree with a 2x4 for protecting the disabled beach access his family has the title to? Americans don't like that stuff much and it plays exactly to their worst fears for buying property in Mexico... corruption through inaction with a nod and a wink at the expense of expats.




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[*] posted on 4-29-2011 at 11:37 AM


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And woosh, you may find like minded individuals who will truly understand your cause, like the beach building, but unfortunately they will have their hands tied. I contacted some NGO's in your area and told them of the situation of that building on the federal zone, pointed them to your video and nada. They can't do much, their boards won't let them move in a meaningful direction unfortunately. They will raise your hopes and always put you on hold, unfortunately you must continue your fight. The only way I can see is people getting together and fighting those causes that are important to them, communicating and networking in a true grass roots, unencumbered way and gaining momentum that gets the attention of the politicos who can drive those agencies you list. The government has a lot worse on its hands to think about but we all have to defend what is ours and we have to maintain the pressure if we are to make any progress. My "cause" is fisheries and jobs, yours is keeping that federal zone clear so your town can have a public beach. Don't give up! Good luck to ya.


Hey Pam- appreciate all attempts to get land issues out in the open. A next step for me may be to take the advice of the FRAO office in Rosarito- to make it an expat issue. The last thing Rosarito needs is Americans with oceanfront homes complaining Mexicans steal their legal land concessions and build on the sand in front of them.

I figure the real estate market is already dead for now, so now may not be the time for the most impact to launch my issue in that forum. Can you imagine what any prospective Rosarito home buyer will say when they see the video of a guy coming out to beat an American retiree with a 2x4 for protecting the disabled beach access his family has the title to? Americans don't like that stuff much and it plays exactly to their worst fears for buying property in Mexico... corruption through inaction with a nod and a wink at the expense of expats.


well I would say your approach will be mighty affective. sounds as if this (you) could take-off in the right direction and grow like a cut off piece of a "starfish" (metaphor only) sitting on the right growth medium. that's the way man!
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[*] posted on 4-29-2011 at 01:17 PM


See J. J. Grey and listen to "Lochloosa".:biggrin:
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