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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by bigboy
Off Road magazine has an article about potential engine mount problems and David K fires off about how Toyota don't break! Why would the magazine give
a heads up if there is no problem? |
No, I said my (three) Tacomas have had no such problems.. I will let others judge if Toyotas are not reliable based on actual Nomad experiences.
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funny how you choose to believe or disbelieve information on the basis of your feelings instead of rational analysis.
your sample of engine mount durability in 3 trucks is not statistically valid, any conclusions you draw are unsupported.
"actual nomad experiences" are not a scientific analysis, but they are at times entertaining!
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
These folks just seem to be having a lot of problems in the past year or so....
Auto, earthquakes, tsunamis', radioactive releases, Playstation hack ... wow...
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karma.
retribution for continuing whaling! |
 me ..... waiting for Godzilla to come out of the "Japan Trench" ... at 29,500 feet
deep ... sure theres one down there some place... as that is a ways ..... down... 
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John M
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Off Road Magazine
Well I spent the $6.51 for the July issue - ouch - it's been a long long time since I bought one of these magazines - half expecting it to still cost
$2.75.
This is an interesting article to be sure. The story tells of what the writer (and repair guru in this instance) relates as a not uncommon problem
with the factory location and strength of the mounts. The fix is a custom gussett tying the existing mount to the side and bottom of the frame.
I decided to give the shop doing the article a call to see how much this fix would cost. I won't tell their price but suffice it to say it ain't
cheap, especially on a 4x4 as the repair requires removal of the steering shaft among other components.
This post by TW certainly ought to have us crawling under the truck to look for obvious and not so obvious cracks in the frame directly below the
factory welds.
Thanks again TW
John M
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John M
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Motor mount photo
So as not to infringe on any copyright issue of images in Off Road magazine, I took a photo of my own Toyota motor mount area in question. Of course I
inspected both sides and see no evidence of damage.
This image of my right side motor mount where it meets the frame can clearly be inspected. Left side not so easily viewed with my skid plate in place.
John M
[Edited on 5-12-2011 by John M]
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Jack Swords
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Thanks TW and John M. I tried to find if Toyota has a TSB out for this problem, but found nothing. Since I have a 07 Tacoma and 2010 4Runner, both
used offroad, I'll keep looking. I suspect a TSB will follow the publication of the problem. Meanwhile I'll be spending a little time under both
vehicles. Keep us posted.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by bigboy
Off Road magazine has an article about potential engine mount problems and David K fires off about how Toyota don't break! Why would the magazine give
a heads up if there is no problem? |
No, I said my (three) Tacomas have had no such problems.. I will let others judge if Toyotas are not reliable based on actual Nomad experiences.
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funny how you choose to believe or disbelieve information on the basis of your feelings instead of rational analysis.
your sample of engine mount durability in 3 trucks is not statistically valid, any conclusions you draw are unsupported.
"actual nomad experiences" are not a scientific analysis, but they are at times entertaining! |
I know facts aren't your favorite source for posting here... but it was facts and observation I use... and not FEELINGS as you said in error.
I just did some research... The engine mount cracks that some have had happen were on 2005 and 2006 model Tacomas. Their frames with the weak mounts
were made in America by the American company DANA CORP. The problem was fixed with a better mount in 2007 and newer Tacomas.
So, the problem was not with anything Jananese made... and it is too bad that our trucks aren't 100% Japanese!
TW (and others wondering if their '05 or '06 has a weak engine mount or the better one...
Here is the original (driver's side) that has cracked:
Here is the improved mount:
The above photos and 3 years of posts on this, are from TacomaWorld.com, here: http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/2nd-gen-tacomas/21849-05-mo...
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wessongroup
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Some good information and great photo's... think the word "could" was used ... not "do" ... and to be fair to DANA
Company Overview & Quick Facts
Dana Holding Corporation began during the formative years of the motor vehicle industry itself. In fact, the company’s first product – the Spicer
encased universal joint – pushed the idea of the horseless carriage forward by replacing the crude means of transmitting engine power to the wheels
through two sprockets and a chain.
Likewise, the inventors and entrepreneurs behind Spicer® axles and transmissions, Victor Reinz® gaskets, and Long® radiators were industry pioneers
themselves.
More than a century later, Dana still leads in developing and supplying automakers – on a global basis today – with a broad portfolio of driveline,
sealing, and thermal-management technologies. From the corner of a printing press company in Plainfield, New Jersey, where u-joints were first made
by engineering student-turned-business owner Clarence Spicer and three new hires in 1904, the company today employs 22,500 in more than 90 facilities,
including 14 technical centers, in 26 countries.
The Maumee, Ohio-based company reported 2010 sales of $6.1 billion. Its array of products and its global operational footprint translate into a
healthy business diversity that benefits shareholders and customers alike. By market, revenues in 2010 were derived as follows:
• 59 percent from the light vehicle market, with key customers including
Ford (19 percent), Toyota, General Motors, Chrysler, Hyundai, and Nissan;
• 22 percent from the medium- and heavy-duty vehicle market
(Class 5-8 on-highway trucks, buses, motor coaches, etc.), where major customers
include PACCAR, Navistar, Daimler, and Volvo; and
• 19 percent from the off-highway sectors, including agricultural, construction,
material handling, and mining equipment. Key customers are Deere, Caterpillar,
AGCO, and Case New Holland.
Dana’s 2010 revenues, by region, were:
• 48 percent in North America;
• 26 percent in Europe;
• 14 percent in South America; and
• 12 percent in Asia-Pacific.
Dana’s key products are as follows:
• Spicer® axles – front and rear axles, differentials, torque couplings,
and modular assemblies;
• Spicer® driveshafts – Cardan universal joints, flexible couplings,
center bearings, end fittings, and driveshafts;
• Spicer® tire management products – central tire inflation, tire pressure control,
and tire pressure monitoring products;
• Spicer® transmissions – transfer cases, hydrostatic and
powershift transmissions, torque converters, and electronic controls for
off-highway vehicles;
• Victor Reinz® sealing products – cylinder-head gaskets and cover modules,
thermal-acoustical protective shielding, valve stem seals,
and fuel-cell components; and
• Long® thermal products - heat-exchange and thermal-bypass technologies
for engine, transmission, and fluid applications, and fuel-cell components.
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David K
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Dana is a great company, my comments were for those who are quick to put a bad light on an excellent car company because of their political
idiology!
The mistake or weak mount was Dana's doing... and it was solved within two years... My 2005 never had any motor mount problems, that I was aware of.
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wessongroup
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Thanks.. DK .. was only adding a lost pice of information... "could" .. the other .. well what ya gonna do... got too many folks here that know too
much to be swayed by BS...
And thanks again as ... I didn't know anything about DANA ... it's some company.. "Global"...
So one can't rule out, that the "part" was actually made in another county and "supplied" to DANA ...
And agree that they "fixed" the problem and that is bottom line... which is good
If it ain't broke don't fix it.... nothing wrong there...
Many more care free miles as it makes for a much better trip ... doesn't it...
Have been lucky in all my days of vacation travels ... never had a thing go wrong, not even a flat tire, lost wallet et al .... some others, well I've
seen them along side the road in everything from Mercedes to Ford..
Problems when working is a whole different story... three totals to start with... which I walked away from ... only scratches in all my auto wrecks...
bikes different story..
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TMW
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I post these advisory type things to help other Nomads. I have done them on Ford, Dodge and Toyotas and maybe others. I get several auto related
magazines and if something pops up that can help someone I'll post it. It is not to put down or show up any particular company as they all can have a
problem that needs fixed.
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805gregg
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Problem solved, crappy welds to a frame that is really thin. It's going to flex and FAIL. I smell another recall. But now that they can't get parts to
build, it will cure itself. Plus the Koreans, that for good reason hate the Japanese, are making better and better vehicles at more reasonable prices,
look for Korea to fill the gap. I wish Hyundai would build a truck, they build the largest ships in the world, surely a truck would be a piece of
cake, heak, even Toyota can do it.
[Edited on 5-13-2011 by 805gregg]
[Edited on 5-13-2011 by 805gregg]
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BAJACAT
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Well my truck it's not Toyota, and I haven't had any problems on the road.All the repairs that i have done in my truck are related to the lift sistem
that I had install, nothing to do with OEM parts. For example if DK would off add a3 inch lift kid on his Toyota, then it will be a diferent story.
If I remember the past years whe heard stories of broken trucks in Baja and they where ither Toyotas or Fords and a few Jeeps.
The last one that I recall, is Baja Amigo Suburban that broke down in BOLA.I think we are all happy with the brand or make of our choise, I will sware
over my DODGE, just like Ken will do the same over his Jeep,also DK or TW will stand by their TOYOTAS.
BAJA is big enough for all brands and makes.... so lets not get carry away...
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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Thank you for reporting this and other problems, Tom.
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bigboy
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It wasn't Dana problem. The frame was designed by Toyota and the specifications were given to Dana for assembly of the frame.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bigboy
It wasn't Dana problem. The frame was designed by Toyota and the specifications were given to Dana for assembly of the frame. |
Probably true... but the work and materials were DANA's and either the work or material failed... If Dana thought the Toyota spec was flawed, they
wouldn't build it knowing it would fail... right?
Anyway, spilled milk or dead horse... the problem was solved 5 years ago!
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bigboy
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The new mounts look very strong.
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monoloco
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Not trying to stir up any controversy but I have 3 friends who have experienced broken leaf springs on late model Tacomas.
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Could it be they over loaded the truck? The 05 and newer Tacoma I think has a bed limit of 1500lbs and the max gross weight probably doesn't allow
much more than that on the rear suspension.
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monoloco
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Knowing the people, I don't think it was an overload issue. The part was not available in Mexico, and the dealership in Cali charged her over $600 for
the part. (no shipping)
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David K
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Again, there are so many Tacoma drivers on Baja Nomad... and you just don't hear of problems from them. I am on my third Tacoma, and I am hard on my
trucks in Baja and also used for my outdoor landscape irrigation business daily. Nothing is perfect, but given the abuse or hard work, these trucks do
pretty darn good...
The truck has a full bumper to bumper 3 year/ 36,000 miles warantee and a drivetrain warantee of 60,000 miles. Needing it is pretty rare for most
people... but there are some who sadly get a lemon... But, if that was common, Toyota could't be the #1 world auto maker for very long... right?
Heck, the U.S. government tried to destroy Toyota last year with the totally fabricated 'unexpected acceleration defect'... all to help sales of their
own car company, GM.
Didn't work, did it?
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