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motoged
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
This guy could fill his planes if he did LA or better, Orange County to Loreto, or San Diego-Loreto .... |
Yep  
Don't believe everything you think....
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shari
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canadians and americans from the north who fly south usually fly into LA so this would help them no?
[Edited on 5-28-2011 by shari]
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ElCap
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I believe my friend flew GN to Ensenada with him last month. He was also interested in flying direct to San Ignacio in the future - not the laguna
but rather to the paved airstrip just north of town (east of Mex 1 and just north of military checkpoint. The delegado there has been contacted and
they are looking into getting that runway in better shape to handle such flights. Of course it all depends on price, but sure would be a great option
for people trying to get to central Baja.
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capt. mike
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Aero Servicios de GN has already pioneered this and they can only make it work occasionally on demand. It will never fly as a sked. Not enough demand
and will cost too much as a sked. Sked means it goes whether full or not.
there are others like Cap says, like Kevin Warren who runs a fleet of 207s and Cherokee sixes on charter.
Charter is the only market which is viable in baja.
Also DGAC will stick their nose into it and expect to pay them huge license fees.
A friend of mine went to set up Caravans from SDL to Alamos and Rocky point but when he went to Mexico city he was told $20K a year for permits then
in one meeting they changed it to $100K!!
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shari
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never say never is my motto!!! but Mike is most likely right. the problem with Aero GN who actually do have sched flights, is that tourists can get
bumped if there are salt works passengers needing to fly...if there is a big meeting or something.
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
canadians and americans from the north who fly south usually fly into LA so this would help them no?
[Edited on 5-28-2011 by shari] |
I am busy so just a quick education on the target market.
It is way easier to depart and arrive into a secondary airport than huge, congested, pain in the butt LAX. In the case of a puddlejumper which this
is, you (we) are targeting the regional market of the airport around it, not Chicago or farther away. If pricing is competitive people will come that
much is for sure. Seriously, you e-mailed me about the licenses now e-mail me about this and lets talk real business with this guy.
If anyone else out there can put me in touch with regional air services please do it, I can be contacted here: http://www.bajabigfish.com/?page_id=55
I am part of an organization of small businesses and hotels called Loreto Adventure Network http://www.loretoadventurenetwork.com
also a member of the Loreto Hotel Association, the entire community will back up what I propose.
thanks
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horntoad
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I would do it just to fly the Baja coast a few times a year for sure, provided it's not too spendy. I would rather fly out of Carlsbad, San Diego, or
even a smaller airport in San Diego down near the border. My destination would likely be LA Bay, so would need a way to get to the Bay unless a stop
on the way down or back could be made?? If flying to GN, I would need to get a lift to the bay somehow. If I had to go to LA to fly out, I would
probably just drive instead.
HT
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flyfishinPam
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one more thing I forgot. people do not want to cross the border to take the puddlejumper. its the USA departure return trip that's most appealing,
throw on smaller regional airports its a deal that's hard to not consider for travelers and commuters
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
one more thing I forgot. people do not want to cross the border to take the puddlejumper. its the USA departure return trip that's most appealing,
throw on smaller regional airports its a deal that's hard to not consider for travelers and commuters |
cost to cross border increases costs dramatically (planes or operator need permits in both countries, need to clear immigration at airports with
immigration [no immigration at LA bay, GN, etc]).
it'a all about cost. the retirees are penny P-nchers.
where is demand for regular service? charter demand is at most infrequent, and seasonal
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Oggie
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The last time I checked the airport at Bahia de los Angeles was closed due to a dispute over airport fees. Does anyone know different?
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flyfishinPam
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locked and loaded sent the e-mail to the seņor, thanks again Sheri, disfruta el dia y carpe diem and all that
pricing,?? priceless.
Loreto is already supporting airfares of over $800 round trip from LAX PLUS baggage fees (Horizon). I wil only say that I've been in business for 15
years and although business is down as is everyone's due to lack of access to here, I am not starving by any means and we're actually quite enjoying
it. Our normal high season months have remained good I certainly can't complain of my share of the market which is pretty small 72 seats per four
days per week = 288 seats total per week for all of Loreto. My percentage of that is pretty damned good for a gringa that came here to stay in a pick
up, with a dog and $200 dollars a dozen years ago. I am with my kids all day now until the shop opens for the season, and I put in fewer hours, cut
overhead mucho and learned even more, and more stress free. I've been hiking in the mountains, starting new business ventures that tailor to a
competely different market, organic gardening and fixing up my house.
well gotta check out, but I'm glad I peeked during a break and found this great info. Loreto's people need work I am not only thinking of myself but
of all of us, and this guy will get some business (or not) that he may not have really considered. Plus I will seek more of these services out now.
I already have plans of what to include on a contract for air service, I have been working on it for about 11 years when I was trying to get something
with ATA (they went out of biz since), anyway gotta run thanks again!!
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oggie
The last time I checked the airport at Bahia de los Angeles was closed due to a dispute over airport fees. Does anyone know different?
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probably closed because permit and maintenance costs are higher than operator can recoup from landing fees; or airport owner non-compliance or
incompetence
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Skeet/Loreto
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Pam:
Years ago the Service out of TJ was a Convair which went to GN over to Mulege, then Loreto and to La Paz, spent the nite and did a Return flight back
to TJ.
It would be easy to set up a Shuttle from the Border to TJ Airport,
I do not mean to discourage you but Baja Sur is going to suffer for the next few years due to the Economy here in the States.
I am sure Rick Perry can help bring about a Good Change.
Skeet
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flyfishinPam
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duh!
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
one more thing I forgot. people do not want to cross the border to take the puddlejumper. its the USA departure return trip that's most appealing,
throw on smaller regional airports its a deal that's hard to not consider for travelers and commuters |
cost to cross border increases costs dramatically (planes or operator need permits in both countries, need to clear immigration at airports with
immigration [no immigration at LA bay, GN, etc]).
it'a all about cost. the retirees are penny P-nchers.
where is demand for regular service? charter demand is at most infrequent, and seasonal |
duh goat! your questions and comments show your obvious lack of understanding in these matters. nfm
to the rest of the (sane) people reading this board-
the above was directed to goat, its a tease thing we do to each other in the off-topic. he's a damned liberal and I have grown into a more
liberatarian-conservative now carry on, and group hug
you too, you damned goat!
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Pam:
Years ago the Service out of TJ was a Convair which went to GN over to Mulege, then Loreto and to La Paz, spent the nite and did a Return flight back
to TJ.
It would be easy to set up a Shuttle from the Border to TJ Airport,
I do not mean to discourage you but Baja Sur is going to suffer for the next few years due to the Economy here in the States.
I am sure Rick Perry can help bring about a Good Change.
Skeet |
no worries, I'm not discouraged I am a survivor and how can I complain about this beautiful place to survive in. the sissies that came in on the
coat-tails of Loreto Bay are the ones worrying, owing debt plus can't even pay overhead let alone bring in a profit, they'll continue to drop. kinda
like waste management.
Americans and I think Canadians, want USA-Mexico service they do not want to cross the border to do it, but Mexican tourism is also something we
consider and work towards as is european tourism, but we gotta switch gears and change the way things are to be done. its called survivin' that's
life, I think I'll go dive for almejas chocolates and survive on them today!
I dunno who this Perry guy is but I take care of my own stuff and don't count on or hope for anyone to do it for me, know what I mean? well better go
hose off the snorkel gear
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shari
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I heard positive comments from clients who flew to Cedros via Ensenada...they love the shuttle service from san diego to ensenada...said it was hassle
free and fun.
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jenny.navarrette
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
I have been communicating with the owner of a new airline wanting to expand service into central baja. He wants to put a 10 seater commuter plane
route from LA to Guerrero Negro. |
This is just a pipedream by somebody who is very naive. This will never happen. There are laws in place the will prevent this from happening. First of
all, all aircraft entering Mexico have to land at a designated port of entry to clear customs and immigration. GN is not a port of entry. So the
"airline" would have to first stop at TJ, Ensenada, Mexicali or Loreto.
Secondly, Mexico as well as the US, has rules on cabotage. That means domestic routes are only for domestic airlines. Once stopping at a Mexican port
of entry, the "airline" could only board passengers to leave Mexico. It could not carry passengers on another stop inside Mexico.
Third, how is this "airline" going to comply with the post-911 security rules for passenger and baggage screening? Without it, it would not be allowed
to enter US airspace from Mexico.
Forth, scheduled airlines have regulations on where they can land. The airport has to meet minimum standards on lighting, weather observation,
emergency rescue equipment, instrument landing procedures, etc. GN won't qualify for a scheduled airline stop.
This idea just cannot be done as a scheduled airline, it can only be done as a charter operation, and there are already plenty of starving
competitors. Even a US based charter operation cannot legally carry passengers who did not originate in the US between two airports in Mexico. That
means they cannot be chartered to carry passengers between, say GN and Ensenada, without the same passengers continuing on with them to the US.
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http://www.10news.com/news/26458859/detail.html
SAN DIEGO -- A proposed cross-border airport terminal could give San Diegans more access to flights and may lead to more growth in the Otay Mesa area.
The Otay-Tijuana Venture LLC has plans to build a cross-border facility that will ultimately become an airport terminal in the United States for the
Tijuana International Airport.
The $77.9 million privately funded facility would be built in Otay Mesa, just west of the Otay Mesa Port of Entry. Airline passengers would park in
the U.S., check their bags in and go through security in the U.S. They would then walk across a 500-foot pedestrian bridge over the U.S.-Mexico border
and board a plane in Tijuana
MAGA
Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
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BajaBlanca
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We would gladly use this service if it were cost effective, as the driving up north, at least 2 times a year, is getting OLD.
Anyone flying into GN and wanting to come to La Bocana/Campo Rene/ P Abreojos for a vacation = we can figure out a way to get you here. The captains
are happy to pick you up in the mornings and bring you back to wherever you are staying, at the end of the day.
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Skeet/Loreto
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To all the good Posters!
Generally there are two different kinds of Folks coming to Baja Sur. One who only has a couple of Weeks and wants to get the most of his Time, The
other that has all the time and wants to live the Manana Life.
To many times the Short timers of Americans and Canadians want and expect things to be done as they are in the States and Canada.
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