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| Quote: | Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
I am no big fan of Jorge but nothing you state there changes the possibility that this could have been purely political. Since I know that you can
read Spanish "Jenny"...
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How does an op-ed piece change anything? Are you saying when a person is arrested for violation of the Federal Law on Firearms and Explosives, it is
purely a political move? Are you saying if Hank Rhon was a member of the PAN party they would not have arrested him? Are you saying laws are
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As if you were so naive. God knows that would never happen north of the border...
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I am one of those that thinks Hank should probably be in jail, but this is obviously politically motivated. The goverment could have arrested Hank for
these same charges 10 years ago, why didnt they?
Now, from what i have learned, most of the guns do have proper permits, because they where the guns used by his security guards.
In my opinion, this is already backfiring for Calderon, and not because Hank is innocent, or a good guy, but because Calderon is acting like old PRI
presidents, and people d0nt like that.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
I am one of those that thinks Hank should probably be in jail, but this is obviously politically motivated. The goverment could have arrested Hank for
these same charges 10 years ago, why didnt they?
Now, from what i have learned, most of the guns do have proper permits, because they where the guns used by his security guards.
In my opinion, this is already backfiring for Calderon, and not because Hank is innocent, or a good guy, but because Calderon is acting like old PRI
presidents, and people d0nt like that. |
Exactly...
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THE DOCUMENTS THE GOVERNMENT
DIDN'T WANT YOU TO SEE!
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http://www.customscorruption.com/white_tiger/operation.htm
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jenny.navarrette
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
As if you were so naive. God knows that would never happen north of the border... |
So here we are once again. Faced with the insurmountable task of trying to prove his opinion by citing the opinions of others, Bajagringo pivots 90
degrees and now accuses the US of similar activities. While heretofore the US was not a subject of Bajagringo's theory that Hank Rhon's arrest was
politically motivated, he felt it necessary to run this red herring through the debate.
Opinions are not facts. They are opinions. You can bring in all the opinions you want. It changes nothing. And if you really want to bring in
political motivation as the reason for Rhon's arrest, why not consider that there must have been political reasons for the failure to arrest and
prosecute him for the murder of Vega? It is just as possible that he was arrested this time for the LACK of political motivations to protect him, n'
est cepas?
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A Handwritten Letter From Hank Rhon
Handwritten letter from Hank Rhon. Short translation: "I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything."
http://www.afnbc.com/imagenes/carta_hank.jpg
http://www.afnbc.com/imagenes/carta_hank2.jpg
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Anyone who thinks technology and transparency cannot or will not force change upon Mexico are wrong. In Hank's own hand no less (not that he said
much). Is Hank seen as a liability to his party? Who would benefit? No TJ police were given a heads-up to protect him from the military this time.
[Edited on 6-6-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Anyone who thinks technology and transparency cannot or will not force change upon Mexico are wrong. In Hank's own hand no less (not that he said
much). Is Hank seen as a liability to his party? Who would benefit? No TJ police were given a heads-up to protect him from the military this time.
[Edited on 6-6-2011 by Woooosh] |
Woooosh it sounds like you believe this was done by Rhon's own party, but then again it also sounds like you believe Jenny's take and that this was a
legitimate bust, and you continue to believe the Mexican military can do no wrong.
From the non stop stories in the Mexican press there are many including the Tijuana major Carlos Bustamante that believe the arrest of Hank Rhon was
political motivated and the fingers are pointing to the PAN party that will probably lose to the PRI party in many election seats in 2012 because
people are tired of Calderon's/USA "war on drugs." Certainly the Mexican military stands a better chance of continuing their human right abuse on
Mexican citizens, and still losing the "war on drugs' if the PAN party wins the governors seat as well as other seats so they could continue the 'war
on drugs."
Of course these stories are opinion based, but I wouldn't exactly take the words of corrupt government sources either espeically that big mouth
General Alfonso Duarte Mugica will be releasing his official statement soon. The Loud mouthed General has also concluded that the military is
winning the war on drugs, and has the drug cartels on the run. I personally wouldn't believe one word out of the mouth of the General or any Mexican
official if they have a vested interest in this case.
I don't know about you Woooosh. But I have a problem when armed thugs from the Mexican military are breaking into homes in the middle of the night
without warrant even if it's Hank Rhon house. Perhaps the next house will be yours Wooosh espeically when they get an autonomous tip their are weapons
and drugs in your house.( What's you address?)
I really like some of the comments following these Hank Rhon articles espeically when they recite the Mexican Constitution:
http://www.afntijuana.info/nota_informativa2011.php?page=jun...
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jenny.navarrette
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Mexico: where politics is performance art
Take a look at these demonstrators in support of Hank Rhon near the Hippodrome. Notice anything?
...all the signs are in the same handwriting. These are paid PRI people posing for the cameras.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
Take a look at these demonstrators in support of Hank Rhon near the Hippodrome. Notice anything?
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They're all fat, just like Jorge. I think that says it all.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
Take a look at these demonstrators in support of Hank Rhon near the Hippodrome. Notice anything?
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They're all fat, just like Jorge. I think that says it all. |
I find somewhat interesting that while the US and most of Europe seem to be drifting to the right politically, over the recent years, Latin America
has decidedly drifted leftward.
Much of what is happening in the US can be explained by the writings of one Richard Hofstadter, who wrote "Anti-intellectualism in American Life" in
1964.
There was a time when the right wing/ Republicans/ Conservatives were served well by intellectuals such as William Krystol and William F. Buckley.
Alas, they have been replaced by the likes of Glen Beck, Sean Hannity and all the nut job goobers in Congress who hew to the so-called agenda proposed
by the Koch Brothers.
It has been a major conspiracy accomplished by a wealthy few to gain heretofore unparalleled power.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ariel-gonzalez/sarah-palin-and...
I'm no fan of Hugo Chavez, but given what the US has been doing, who can blame Venezualans for voting for him?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Anyone who thinks technology and transparency cannot or will not force change upon Mexico are wrong. In Hank's own hand no less (not that he said
much). Is Hank seen as a liability to his party? Who would benefit? No TJ police were given a heads-up to protect him from the military this time.
[Edited on 6-6-2011 by Woooosh] |
Woooosh it sounds like you believe this was done by Rhon's own party, but then again it also sounds like you believe Jenny's take and that this was a
legitimate bust, and you continue to believe the Mexican military can do no wrong.
From the non stop stories in the Mexican press there are many including the Tijuana major Carlos Bustamante that believe the arrest of Hank Rhon was
political motivated and the fingers are pointing to the PAN party that will probably lose to the PRI party in many election seats in 2012 because
people are tired of Calderon's/USA "war on drugs." Certainly the Mexican military stands a better chance of continuing their human right abuse on
Mexican citizens, and still losing the "war on drugs' if the PAN party wins the governors seat as well as other seats so they could continue the 'war
on drugs."
Of course these stories are opinion based, but I wouldn't exactly take the words of corrupt government sources either espeically that big mouth
General Alfonso Duarte Mugica will be releasing his official statement soon. The Loud mouthed General has also concluded that the military is
winning the war on drugs, and has the drug cartels on the run. I personally wouldn't believe one word out of the mouth of the General or any Mexican
official if they have a vested interest in this case.
I don't know about you Woooosh. But I have a problem when armed thugs from the Mexican military are breaking into homes in the middle of the night
without warrant even if it's Hank Rhon house. Perhaps the next house will be yours Wooosh espeically when they get an autonomous tip their are weapons
and drugs in your house.( What's you address?)
I really like some of the comments following these Hank Rhon articles espeically when they recite the Mexican Constitution:
http://www.afntijuana.info/nota_informativa2011.php?page=jun... |
Hey Joe. This is still a developing story and my comments are based on what we know at each discovery. In the beginning I was (and still are)
uncomfortable with a no warrant search/arrest. But Hank's house was invaded only after his own men got busted with guns at his hotel and led the
military back. When they got to Hank's and saw more men with guns they considered it a crime-in-progress and went in for Hank.
Now that the dust has settled a a bit on the facts, there are some interesting tidbits: where was Hank's head of security? He wasn't at the house,
wasn't included in the ten men arrested and still hasn't been located. How come the TJ police didn't step up and protect Hank from the military like
they did the last time this happened? Did no one give the TJ police the word as this was going down? None of them even noticed? Why didn't Hank's
Xolos partner give him more support and public leverage instead of saying the Xolos development won't be affected. He should have said the future of
the franchise is dependent on Hank's invaluable contributions and participation, no? It all just seems too convenient to be co-incidence.
How long did Hank think it would take for the military to catch up to the July09 wiki-leak that basically said Hank runs the Plaza and it the main guy
for money laundering in town? This was DURING the huge crime wave of 2007 and 2008 that started the slow motion train wreck and death of Baja Norte
tourism. Today he is either an asset or a liability to his political party and business partners. Maybe he got too big for his political britches-
no matter who his family is. Looks like someone is furthering their ambitions at Hanks expense though.
A citizen complaint caused all this? I wonder who that un-named person was and why they called the military instead of the TJ police in the first
place.
[Edited on 6-7-2011 by Woooosh]
[Edited on 6-7-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Woooosh it sounds like you believe this was done by Rhon's own party, but then again it also sounds like you believe Jenny's take and that this was a
legitimate bust, and you continue to believe the Mexican military can do no wrong. |
Oh look. Ahab the Arab is telling us all what other people think. No sense in posting anymore, Mustaffa can post what we are thinking for us.
Cuts down on the crosstalk. Hey Youssef, what am I thinking right now?
putz putz putz putz putz
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without a warrant or not, i'm gonna put my neck out and say that those weapons and ammo weren't put there by the snitch, right?
if you have nothing to hide.....
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The Island of Jorge Hank Rhon
http://www.laweekly.com/2006-02-16/news/the-island-of-jorge-...
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http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=15604
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Hey Joe. This is still a developing story and my comments are based on what we know at each discovery. In the beginning I was (and still are)
uncomfortable with a no warrant search/arrest. But Hank's house was invaded only after his own men got busted with guns at his hotel and led the
military back. When they got to Hank's and saw more men with guns they considered it a crime-in-progress and went in for Hank.
Now that the dust has settled a a bit on the facts, there are some interesting tidbits: where was Hank's head of security? He wasn't at the house,
wasn't included in the ten men arrested and still hasn't been located. How come the TJ police didn't step up and protect Hank from the military like
they did the last time this happened? Did no one give the TJ police the word as this was going down? None of them even noticed? Why didn't Hank's
Xolos partner give him more support and public leverage instead of saying the Xolos development won't be affected. He should have said the future of
the franchise is dependent on Hank's invaluable contributions and participation, no? It all just seems too convenient to be co-incidence.
How long did Hank think it would take for the military to catch up to the July09 wiki-leak that basically said Hank runs the Plaza and it the main guy
for money laundering in town? This was DURING the huge crime wave of 2007 and 2008 that started the slow motion train wreck and death of Baja Norte
tourism. Today he is either an asset or a liability to his political party and business partners. Maybe he got too big for his political britches-
no matter who his family is. Looks like someone is furthering their ambitions at Hanks expense though.
A citizen complaint caused all this? I wonder who that un-named person was and why they called the military instead of the TJ police in the first
place.
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Wooosh why do you continue to parrot Jenny's dubious line that the Mexican Military got it right this time, and this was a legitimate bust on Hank
Rhon's residence because the military had probably cause when they busted the three men with guns at the hotel which led them back to the compound?
Wooosh I know you read the "AFN" article where it said that one of the men arrested before the raid, Juan Ignacio Parra Santos, said he didn't even
know Hank Rhon, nor that he worked for him.
In fact Juan said he was actually arrested the night before while waiting to pick up his brother when the Mexican Lucha libre looking masked thugs
dressed like civilians and they were accompanied by military personnel. Then they by force put Juan into a military vehicle and took him back to the
military barracks where he met the other two men who BTW Juan said he didn't know either. Juan claims all three of them were there until at least till
5 AM, and par on course Juan claimed the military tried to get a forced confession from him. ( I'm just surprised they didn't torture him)
If Juan's story is true, and I'll take Juan's story before I would believe the known torturers of the Mexican military. Then there is no way the three
could have led them to the Rhon's compound.
I know Woooosh knows about this story because Maggie over at her Madhouse also covered this ongoing story, and Woooosh made a few comments over there.
The chemically imbalanced Marjorie for once is doing a great job covering the Hank Rhon's story, and presenting both sides of the argument, and
keeping her dumb opinions out of it. But I would caution against reading any one blogger regarding Mexico because I don't know any blogger without
their own agenda.
Even if you don't know Spanish. You're better off going directly to the Mexican papers like AFN, El Mexicano, el sol Tijuana, and just to the right of
the news webpage you'll see where it says: " Translate this page," and if you click it......it will automatically translate the article for you, and
you'll at least get the gist of the story. Don't depend on bloggers that cover Mexico or the San Diego Union that barely even cover these stories,
and they themselves really just translate the Baja articles and then puts them in the San Diego paper.
Here is the story Wooosh conveniently ignored:
http://www.afntijuana.info/nota_informativa2011.php?page=jun...
It seems more and more of this Hank Rhon arrest looks to be another " Desafuero" game. Where they tie up the election front runner with bogus
criminal charges so they can't run in any election until their legal criminal case is cleared up. They did the same thing to Andrés Manuel López
Obrador before the 2006 elections, but the people in Mexico didn't stand for it. However, Hank Rhon is no AMLO, and most people believe Rhon is
corrupt as all hell.
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Security videos from Hanks home show that when the military arrived, there was no armed men at the entrance like the military claims. Because of those
supposed armed men, the military says they had cause to go into the home.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Security videos from Hanks home show that when the military arrived, there was no armed men at the entrance like the military claims. Because of those
supposed armed men, the military says they had cause to go into the home. |
Yeah, but that is not the official story. The official sotry is that they sent undercover people to watch the place and spotted men with guns. Then
they organized a military action to raid the place. The only way videos will do Hank any good, is if they produce a few weeks worth without any gaps
to show there was never anybody with guns prancing around.
In only 48 hours everybody has already forgotten that la señora de Hank said the weapons in her home were all permitted and used for the racetrack.
Then Hank spoke from DF and said he never saw those weapons. Then his lawyers reminded la señora de Hank of what the story was and she did a reversal
the next day and said there were no weapons in her house.
Imagine that.
The latest rumor is that they are tying in the weapons found in Hank's home to weapons smuggled into Mexico with the Fast and Furious program the US
was running to catch gun smugglers. If they extradite Hank to the US, his chances of buying his way out of jail drop to around zero.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
If Juan's story is true, and I'll take Juan's story before I would believe the known torturers of the Mexican military. Then there is no way the three
could have led them to the Rhon's compound. |
Juan's story is totally irrelevant. Why can't your disjointed, dysfunctional mind work through the facts in a linear fashion? The other two were the
real deal and they led the military to Hank's. What is the matter with your head? Why do you think if one man's story does not fit, the story of the
two other people he happened to be sitting next to doesn't fit either?
Why does your mind leapfrog over facts that do not fit and only make connections between the facts you choose? You draw invisible lines between dots
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