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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
What "trash" are you referring to? |
Mexico's human garbage that crosses the border to slither into gangs and live on the edge of civilized humanity. Mara Salvatrucha trash and La Eme
scum.
That's who I effing mean.
That you would ask is only another example of Mexico's selective blindness. |
Funny how that works.. 
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Dave
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It pays to be birthin' them babies
Down Mexico way, Mexican birthrates are rapidly decreasing while in the States it's the opposite.
Dare we wonder why? 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Dare we wonder why? |
A rabbit is a rabbit....wherever they are.
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Maybe this is why we need them
| Quote: | Originally posted by alofrisco
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The fact is, the US needs immigrants... |
The number of unemployed persons in the US is 13.9 million and the unemployment rate is 9.1% in July. There are anonther 8.4 million who are employed
only part time because their hours were cut back or are unable to find full time work. The internal growth in the US labor force -- not counting
immigration -- is about 100,000 people per month. So the US has to create 100,000 new jobs each month just to hold the unemployment rate at 9.1% and
keep those other 8.4 million people only partially employed.
So I would have to ask you straight up: Why does the US need immigrants? What will they do? How will the US benefit from an increase in the untrained
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Anti-immigration laws prove to be counter-productive, harmful
McClatchy-Tribune News Service
Published: Thursday, Aug. 4, 2011 - 5:12 am
The following editorial appeared in the Miami Herald on Wednesday, Aug. 3:
If nothing else, the hard-line immigration laws passed by some states recently may once again demonstrate the wisdom of an adage: Be careful what you
wish for.
From Arizona to California to Georgia, a host of moderates and conservatives are lamenting the harmful, counter-productive effects of these laws.
Mayor Paul Bridges of the small farming community of Uvalda, Ga., could have been speaking for counterparts all over the country last week when he
pleaded with a Senate panel for passage of an immigration reform bill. The draconian law passed in Georgia in lieu of action by Congress, he said,
"will only devastate our local economies."
Georgia's farm workers are in the crosshairs of a new law that gives local police expanded powers to enforce immigration laws, and also targets anyone
who gives undocumented immigrants a helping hand. These workers are critical to the state's $6.5 billion agricultural economy, but many have chosen to
look for work elsewhere. Though the law remains suspended due to a lawsuit, the Georgia Agribusiness Council reports that farms have already lost $300
million due to a lack of workers and healthy crops have been left to rot in the field.
"This law isn't immigration reform," the mayor complained. "This law is government intrusion of the worst kind. It threatens our economy. It threatens
our way of life. And it simply makes no sense." And that's the sworn testimony of a self-described "conservative Republican mayor" from Georgia.
The persistent myth that Americans are eager to replace immigrant workers, legal or not, is proving to be just that - a myth. The Atlanta
Journal-Constitution reports farmers are finding that "replacing immigrant workers with native-born workers isn't easy; many new workers leave after
only a day or two."
The picture is much the same in urban jobs. A survey by the Georgia Restaurant Association reveals widespread worker shortages in the state's $14.1
billion restaurant industry since the new law was passed.
All the new state laws are under legal challenge and may yet be overturned, but that won't solve the problem. Until Congress comes up with a federal
solution, more business losses and the lost revenue from taxes on immigrant wages will persist, hurting states and local communities. Reform should be
a priority when Congress returns in September.
Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/08/04/3816355/anti-immigration-la...
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Xenophobia and Canadians vs Mexicans
In Peru many were furious at being denied entry into the US repeatedly while their acquaintenances from England typically waited 6 months. Racism, as
usual, became the rallying cry. The felt they were being descriminated.
But really the INS has been set up to simply protect the country and assure it's welfare.
It's like this:
There is a room full of coins. Everyone can take some for his needs but has to replenish it at a later date. If someone takes a large amount but
returns a small amount then everyone has to chip in and make up the difference.
The INS is simply there to make sure that you can put in as much as you take out. Canadians posses the skills to do this. Most illegal Mexicans do
not.
There are many non white minorities that have doors open to them. I'm thinking about the skilled high tech people from India that now dominate the
work force in the silicon valley.
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Skipjack...when I went to high school in HMB the school was just full of kids whose parents were immigrants. You couldn't look left or right without
running into an Italian or a Portuguese. The traditional "American" street fairs in those days were called a Chamorita or something like that. It is
an old American tradition and I should know all about it...right?
I disagree with a couple of post above. There is nothing positive about a "Christian" immigrant. As it is, only about 16% of Americans can be
described as NOT delusional based on deeply held beliefs in myths for which more than adequate duplicate-able evidence exists to destroy said myths.
This country is in collapse in part because it just isn't reasonable to expect a population to make the rational decisions required to help assure a
decent future when WAY too many of the citizens are anxiously waiting for the end of the world at the hands of their "savior".
It is the fault of the very best and brightest of Americans that we have an illegal labor problem. This great country was founded on principles
designed to protect the lives and PROPERTY of the rich deists who designed it. Big business and industry in those days didn't have to worry about
keeping a cheap labor force happy, or filling crappy jobs that few people like to do. They OWNED their labor, and could even breed it and get more
labor. They taught their labor to be Christians like themselves, and black African Americans today predominantly worship the god of the people who
enslaved them!
Then along came the best and brightest of America under the non-Christian president Abraham Lincoln and made (acknowledging the contributions of
"good" Christians) the despicable slave traders stop. There was HUGE cost to swing America away from a long held Christian tradition, but it brought
the USA into the company of enlightened nations and created a market for cheap labor and immigrant labor to fill the void left by America's slaves.
That's the way I read my history, and I do read my history!
[Edited on 8-7-2011 by vgabndo]
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
If all of the illegals and their children went home ..........
The US taxpayer burden on schools, clinics, hospitals, legal system, prisons and enforcement would all be decreased by a much more significant amount
than the taxes lost by their leaving.
Farm and industrial labor-requiring industries will hire legal citizens and/or increase efficiency through machinery and other means as has led to our
successes in the past.
Although the housing market would take an additional hit in the low-income sector, the increase in employment among the remaining citizens would help
reduce this effect.
The strains on our clinics, hospitals, jails, schools, etc would be reduced to the point that budgets could be established at current or reduced
funding levels with improved services for the remaining citizens.
But this of course, is all just fantasy as our gov will never seal our borders, send home the majority of illegals or stop existing illegals from
procreating in the US and thereby obtaining citizenship.
Our future will be speaking spanish - it seems inevitable.
?? Hola Amigo ??
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Hello Diver!
Have you seen this? http://www.seiu.org/a/immigration/they-take-our-jobs-debunki...
Are they full of crap?
Can you cite a source to any of your claims?
Best,
Jake
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Maybe just a little...........
http://www.businessinsider.com/seiu-union-plan-to-destroy-jp...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
In general, educated, successful Mexicans are more likely to be paying attention to their reproductive rate. And less likely to be migrating north.
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I'll give you some of that. However, educated and successful Mexicans aren't alone responsible for the plummeting Mexican birth rate.
Mexico's poor also realize there is ZERO benefit in having more children. I don't think you can say the same for their counterparts north of the
border.
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Under Myth#3 SEIU should get there facts straight. Here is the leadoff headline on the Texas report. I think the last sentence says it all.
Undocumented Immigrants in Texas:
A Financial Analysis of the Impact to the State Budget and Economy
December 2006
This is the first time any state has done a comprehensive financial analysis of the impact of undocumented immigrants on a state's budget and economy,
looking at gross state product, revenues generated, taxes paid and the cost of state services.
The absence of the estimated 1.4 million undocumented immigrants in Texas in fiscal 2005 would have been a loss to our gross state product of $17.7
billion. Undocumented immigrants produced $1.58 billion in state revenues, which exceeded the $1.16 billion in state services they received. However,
local governments bore the burden of $1.44 billion in uncompensated health care costs and local law enforcement costs not paid for by the state.
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"Could well be true. I'm out of touch with the U.S. tax and social services structures relative to children, but it has always astounded me that folks
get social benefits for reproducing-- in a world where overpopulation is the primary problem, seems like it should be the other way around... "
Spot on ... Lencho 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
In general, educated, successful Mexicans are more likely to be paying attention to their reproductive rate. And less likely to be migrating north.
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I'll give you some of that. However, educated and successful Mexicans aren't alone responsible for the plummeting Mexican birth rate.
Mexico's poor also realize there is ZERO benefit in having more children. I don't think you can say the same for their counterparts north of the
border. |
It looks like Dave exposed the "Reconquista" conspiracy that tells every able-bodied Mexican north of the border regardless of citizenship or
papers........ to go into the bedroom with your Mexican spouse and produce more Mexican babies in order to realize the Aztlan dream of slowly
re-taking the Southwest US and doing so without firing a single shot.
Quick somebody get Dave a tin foil hat.
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If I told you what I want to do to Janet Murgia, I'd be banned for life. Maybe longer.
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I shouldn't think that would be a problem
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
If I told you what I want to do to Janet Murgia, I'd be banned for life. Maybe longer. |
Doesn't she work at Anthony's?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
If I told you what I want to do to Janet Murgia, I'd be banned for life. Maybe longer. |
Doesn't she work at Anthony's? |
That's her mother. I'll say hello for you.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
That's her mother. I'll say hello for you. |
So, that makes Janet your sister?
Then I guess we're related. 
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I wonder what the stats are in California and for the entirety of the USA for measuring the net financial cost or the net financial benefit of the
illegals in this country, to this country. Aside from any purely cultural issues (and there are substantial such issues), the aforementioned question
is, to me, a huge pivotal question when evaluating the immigration issue and its solutions. TW above provided some stats to that effect.
Going back and forth with inflamatory statements without objective support is a bit reckless.
Whatever the accurate comprehensive pertinent stats support (either net deteriment or net benefit), I think that you have to incorporate the economic
benefit to this country of paying illegals less than what would be paid for the same labor to legal residents in the absence of any illegals present
in this country. In other words, do the illegal Mexican immigrants, on balance, contribute more to our USA economy than they cost (or consume) in
this country? That's an objective question that needs to be answered with objective facts, not opinions.
I think that once that question is accurately answered, some of us may have to rethink the issue.
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Good one Mitch ... as it is all about money.. in the end... so what's the number???
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How 'bout a $538.3 billion tab to the US taxpayer annually. Info was found on national policy institute website among others.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
What "trash" are you referring to? |
Mexico's human garbage that crosses the border to slither into gangs and live on the edge of civilized humanity. Mara Salvatrucha trash and La Eme
scum.
That's who I effing mean.
That you would ask is only another example of Mexico's selective blindness. |
Part of the trash that I think my friend Dennis forgot to mention is scum like the fella in this story.
Suspected Illegal Immigrant Faces Charges in Alleged Hit-And-Run Death of California Boy
Published August 23, 2011
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Charges have been filed against an unlicensed driver and suspected illegal immigrant who allegedly killed a 4-year-old boy in a hit-and-run accident,
the San Francisco Chronicle reports.
The newspaper reports that prosecutors in Sonoma County charged 22-year-old Marcos Lopez Garcia with felony hit-and-run, two misdemeanors and
vehicular manslaughter, among other charges, in the Thursday death of Christopher "Buddy" Rowe of Santa Rosa.
Garcia had two prior arrests for driving without a license, according to the newspaper.
Christopher was reportedly killed on his way to soccer practice while crossing the street with his mother and two sisters, including the boy's twin.
"Little Buddy will be remembered as an energetic, curious, active young boy, who was also kind, compassionate and caring, especially with his twin
sister," the family said in a written statement. "We will always remember his ever-present smile, beautiful steel-blue eyes and peace-loving nature.
"The man who stole Buddy's life from us will be one day free, but we will always carry the burden of losing him forever," the family said.
Garcia is being held in the Sonoma County Jail on a $500,000 bond.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/23/suspected-illegal-immig...
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