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BajaBlanca
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I agree that maybe there was a bad choice of words ???? I am sure none of us wants to be purposely put in harm's way and none of us would knowingly
travel on a verifiably unsafe boat. no matter what country. no matter what nationality the boat captain was.
J.P. you did the right thing by making that man's last moments on Earth better. Amazing and thanks, even tho' I did not know him.
furthermore, I have met a fair number of americans who keep moving and moving precisely to stay in the Mexico they remember of years past. away from
foreigners since they truly want the comeraderie of mexicanos vs the American way of life. One guy moved away from the east cape cause he told me ( I
have never been there) that he felt like he was living in an LA suburb. boy - did I have a good laugh at that !!
and lastly, depending on where you live it is so darn safe here. small town Mexico is safer than I felt in certain parts of san diego.
but yeah - the fishing is horrible all over Baja !!!! (noooooooooooooooot)
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grace59
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lobsterman
Now as a grey hair I'm a target in a much more non-secure environment. I want to enjoy my retirement and not want to constantly be aware of who is
the good guy or the bad guy. I can no longer tell them apart in Mexico.
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Lobsterman, I mean no disrespect by this, but must say that it is important that you NOT feel safe just because you are enjoying your retirement
here in the USA rather than spending time in Mexico. There are plenty here in the the states that will take advantage of your "grey hair" status. This
can happen while you are on the road or even in the "safety" of your own home!! Thinking you are safe because you are in the US of A is foolish if it
allows you to put your guard down. My friends think me stupid for all the time that I spend in Baja, but it is my mantra to "Be careful, not fearful!"
That is how I live wherever I am!!! I hope someday you feel safe enought to revisit some of those great Baja memories in person! 
Whenever I hear that rainy, chill wind blow. I think it may be time to head for Mexico. Tengo que obedecer mi corazon!
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mcfez
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And this wave did this....
We're talking about safety of boats and such...risks...well this just came onto the www a few minutes ago. Shows that no matter where you go...how
careful you try to be....stuff does happen!
http://video.yahoo.com/editorspicks-12135647/featured-243063...
[Edited on 8-10-2011 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Marc
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
We're talking about safety of boats and such...risks...well this just came onto the www a few minutes ago. Shows that no matter where you go...how
careful you try to be....stuff does happen!
http://video.yahoo.com/editorspicks-12135647/featured-243063...
[Edited on 8-10-2011 by mcfez] |
Sh**t does happen!
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Gypsy Jan
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There is a Huge Disconnect of Logic Here
lobsterman mentions experiences in several areas of Baja, but only details his negative experience on the Erik.
He sets that one experience up to promote his choice of lifestyle as a dilettante retiree moving between Scottsdale, AZ and the Torrey Pines golf
course in San Diego.
What a useless waste of valuable human time.
Lobsterman obviously was interested enough to become involved in the Baja experience.
Why not use that wisdom and experience to contribute toe the communities that gave you so much enjoyment?
Just my humble opinion.
GJ
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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J.P.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
I agree that maybe there was a bad choice of words ???? I am sure none of us wants to be purposely put in harm's way and none of us would knowingly
travel on a verifiably unsafe boat. no matter what country. no matter what nationality the boat captain was.
J.P. you did the right thing by making that man's last moments on Earth better. Amazing and thanks, even tho' I did not know him.
furthermore, I have met a fair number of americans who keep moving and moving precisely to stay in the Mexico they remember of years past. away from
foreigners since they truly want the comeraderie of mexicanos vs the American way of life. One guy moved away from the east cape cause he told me ( I
have never been there) that he felt like he was living in an LA suburb. boy - did I have a good laugh at that !!
and lastly, depending on where you live it is so darn safe here. small town Mexico is safer than I felt in certain parts of san diego.
but yeah - the fishing is horrible all over Baja !!!! (noooooooooooooooot) |
Blancha I know too well what you are saying about moveing I have lived here in Punta Banda for almost 8 years and as well as I love the location and
my house. I am soooooooo sickkkkkkkk of these pain in the assssssss gringos I would leave here in a heart beat and move yo the most remote village I
could find ,
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Oddjob
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
lobsterman mentions experiences in several areas of Baja, but only details his negative experience on the Erik.
He sets that one experience up to promote his choice of lifestyle as a dilettante retiree moving between Scottsdale, AZ and the Torrey Pines golf
course in San Diego.
What a useless waste of valuable human time.
Lobsterman obviously was interested enough to become involved in the Baja experience.
Why not use that wisdom and experience to contribute toe the communities that gave you so much enjoyment?
Just my humble opinion.
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I'm sure that one scary trip on the Erik wasn't the only reason that Lobsterman changed his views about Baja. Unless you have your head buried deep in
the sand or you are trying to sell your property to some fool so that you can move back north, you would have to admit that the Baja that we all knew
in the past is not the same any longer. Everyone's risk factor is different so don't be so quick to judge someone who's views may be different than
yours.
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MrBillM
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Good Guys, Bad Guys and Relative Risks on the Road
While it's true that one is not necessarily in more or less danger from Bad people traveling North or South of the border, it is also true that in the
U.S. the options for defending against those elements are more to your advantage.
In the U.S., even driving down to the local convenience store, I most often have a weapon near at hand. While in many cases, said carry is not legal,
the consequences of running afoul of the law are insignificant in comparison to that of NEEDING that option and not having it available.
However, in Mexico, being caught with such, results in SEVERE consequences which even I no longer wish to chance.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
While it's true that one is not necessarily in more or less danger from Bad people traveling North or South of the border, it is also true that in the
U.S. the options for defending against those elements are more to your advantage.
In the U.S., even driving down to the local convenience store, I most often have a weapon near at hand. While in many cases, said carry is not legal,
the consequences of running afoul of the law are insignificant in comparison to that of NEEDING that option and not having it available.
However, in Mexico, being caught with such, results in SEVERE consequences which even I no longer wish to chance. |
Amen, Bill.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oddjob
Everyone's risk factor is different so don't be so quick to judge someone who's views may be different than yours. |
True, and don't forget that risk factors change with age. They get bigger. Plans you make as a young man often don't seem appropriate as you age.
What I'm saying is that it may have little to do with how baja has changed. It may all be about how the man has changed.
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shari
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gracias comandanate loco for expressing how lobsterman's post was inflamatory to some. Yes, parts of mexico are more dangerous now...but life in the
villages, as Blanca points out, is very very safe. The most dangerous thing here is that the highways are in better shape so people are driving
waaaaaaaay to fast now and deaths have increased from accidents.
Ask many canucks and they will tell you that the scary part of coming to baja is having to drive through the states.
oh and the fishing is still great
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
gracias comandanate loco for expressing how lobsterman's post was inflamatory to some. Yes, parts of mexico are more dangerous now...but life in the
villages, as Blanca points out, is very very safe. The most dangerous thing here is that the highways are in better shape so people are driving
waaaaaaaay to fast now and deaths have increased from accidents.
Ask many canucks and they will tell you that the scary part of coming to baja is having to drive through the states.
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"------the states" ??????? Shari, surely you jest?????? Maybe a few places in huge cities, but "the states"???? Sure not my impression.
Persception is reality, they say. 
Barry
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shari
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I'm serious Barry....driving down I-5 to get to baja is nerve racking and there are some big cities ya gotta drive through...stop for gas etc...when
many canucks reach baja they breath a huge sigh of relief.
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David K
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While I don't have an un-natural fears living and driving here in the USA, I am 'happier' when I cross the border into Mexico... and get really
excited when I am south of El Rosario or south of San Felipe... then, leaving the pavement is pure bliss.  
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Dave
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In Mexico...
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
However, in Mexico, being caught with such, results in SEVERE consequences which even I no longer wish to chance. |
There isn't anything which can't be negotiated. There are severe penalties listed for all sorts of things that are rarely enforced or most
likely, bargained away.
Personally. I am more concerned with carrying and using weapons to defending myself in California than Mexico.
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Barry A.
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Wow, guys (& gals), that is interesting. Thanks for your observations.
Been traveling to Mexico for over 50 years, and the only time I ever gave a "sigh of relief" upon entering Mexico was when my wife and I left Belize
into Mexico via bus after a month of backpacking around the wild country of Belize. Quintana Roo was truly a dream state to be in after Belize City,
and the attitude of the people was so nice in Mexico.
Having had some real problems with the police in Baja CA when a very young man (even tho I kinda deserved it), I guess I never quite got over that,
and it is the Police in Baja and the lack of "rule of law" that really spook me.
Like David, I do give a sigh of relief when I break free of the "Ensenada affect" on the highway south, and especially when reaching south of San
Quintin, and away from "civilization" and predatary police, but I am still very alert always when in Mexico (as well as the USA).
I have never been nervous in the USA, anywhere or any time, even when walking a police beat in the poorer sections of San Diego back in the early
'60's, and during my entire 30 years law enforcement career with the Dept. of Interior as a Special Ops guy, and Ranger. Sometimes very alert, but
never really nervous.
Like I said, it is all perception.
Barry
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MrBillM
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Never Nervous ?
I wonder if that was true of the San Diego Cop the other day ?
Just before ............ ?
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El Comadante Loco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by El Comadante Loco
Lobsterman, I take offense to your statement "During that hectic time I swore to myself if I get out of this predicament I will never, I repeat NEVER
let a Mexican control my destiny again." This type of statement is inflammatory, demeaning, and some what typical of the ugly American. ' What is your
need to highly emphasise " I repeat" and NEVER in CAPS....'
Are you implying that all of us MEXICANS are incompetent and should not be trusted in positions of a critical nature. What a negative stereotype you
have painted us with.. Shame on you>> I assure we have no interested in controlling your destiny.
I for one have placed my care in the hands of very competent individuals of different racial and ethnic background.
An Asian operated on my back, an African American took care of my skin infection, a white woman served as my cardiologist and I have been treated by
numerous MEXICAN doctors and dentist. Oh I even flew on an airplane piloted by a MEXICAN imagine letting a MEXICAN control my
DESTINY.
I am truly sorry that the experience you had on the ERIK has thwarted you capacity to truly enjoy Baja and it's people.
Such is loss is regrettable. I am sure you a sensitive and understanding man but sometimes the words we choose are not the most appropriate,
welcoming and relationship building. Perhaps you were not even aware that your choice of words could be found to be offensive or perhaps you don't
give a damm.
Enjoy Amigo
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Lobsterman
Donde Andas?
I would appreciate some type of response, retort, defense, explanation, reaction, acknowledgement, tell me to go to hell or ?????. Perhaps your
absence and silence is indicative of your self proclaimed worth and righteousness.
Let's face it "cagaste el palo"
Tu Amigo
ECL
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Not nervous????
I wonder if that was true of the San Diego Cop the other day ?
Just before ............ ? |
I suppose I should have said, "not unduly nervous". My wife tells me I am ALWAYS nervous, so again it is a relative statement I suppose.
I am not up on what happened in San Diego, so can't comment.
Barry
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Sounds like being in control of your environment is getting in the way of you being in control of your life. You wanna go fishing at Rancho Leonero,
then go. Go fishing out of Mulege in a panga - probably bigger fish than your Erik adventure. Instead of learning lessons, all the wiser for your
experience and moving on, you choose to short-change yourself. Dumb. I think you're a lot like others I know who like the many rules and regulations
that will ostensibly safeguard them -- against LIFE. That is not being in control of your environment - that is subjugating yourself to the will of
others. Did YOU do any homework on the weather forecast during your Erik trip? You know there's a drill on fishing boats as to safety procedures and
where the life jackets are - YOU didn't independently find out? You probably could have negotiated a discount after getting kicked out of the best
cabin, but you chose to have the Captain bully other fishermen. Do you really think you're in control of your environment? What kind of life is
that? You don't want control, you want guaranteed safety - guaranteed by OTHERS. Better work on your bucket list while you're still able.
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