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CP
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Just the other night a whole bunch of hard core mexican bikers came in for dinner, they didnt look friendy at all, but as long as they respect the
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A whole bunch of hard core bikers of any nationality dining at the upscale and lovely Tres Virgenes makes an intesting picture.
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DENNIS
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Had to be the La Paz chapter of the Solo Angeles. Nice guys.
Did they use utensils or did they just lay their faces in the plate?
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TMW
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No discriminating against such a HANDSOME SPANISH-SPEAKING Baja traveler! 
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Why would anyone rent a room to this guy? He drives a Jeep, need I say more.
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Ken Cooke
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My T-Shirt is in Español
| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
No discriminating against such a HANDSOME SPANISH-SPEAKING Baja traveler!
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Why would anyone rent a room to this guy? He drives a Jeep, need I say more. |
Just looking at my T-shirt, ANYONE in Latin America would recognize that I am a worldly traveler of Anthony Bourdain-calibre!
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Woooosh
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Every Hotel or Restaurant or Bar has the right to refuse service. It's just not a smart business practice.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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David K
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I am not sure if Ken should be wearing a shirt from an event in Colombia anywhere in Latin America 
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David K
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I mean, it is like you are asking for problems!
Ken knows that he is already being profiled in Mexico, as it is!
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
No discriminating against such a HANDSOME SPANISH-SPEAKING Baja traveler!
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Why would anyone rent a room to this guy? He drives a Jeep, need I say more. |
Yet he drinks Perrier
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Ken Cooke
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Only H20 in the desert, amigos!
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JoeJSalman
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Good sense and good business
I've never known a small businessman in Baja or elsewhere who wasn't interested in making all he could and made his decisions weighing risk against
profit. If that businessman doesn't feel comfortable dealing with a person or group, it should be his decision to make. If he offends too many
people, he'll lose business. That is the way that it should be.
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norte
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I notice the merchants enjoying free B&B/campground/housing/hotels advertizing on this board have not chimed in. Seems you would have good input.
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Von
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When 16 mexicans show up for just two rooms i too would be scared lol! im Mexican, what do you expect the few that ruin it for the rest of us give us
a bad rep. Nobody wants us, oh well no big deal. Get over it! Thats how it is unless you have lots of $$$ to show off lol! Have fun boycott them i
will!
READY SET.....................
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CortezBlue
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
Feliz Dia de la Independencia...
I was shocked at this article about discrimination AGAINST Mexicans in Baja. One of the reasons I travel in Baja is to not deal with those who
routinely discriminate against me. So, I found this article disheartening.
http://www.afntijuana.info/informacion_general/3660_discrimi...
English-version
Carlos Valdez Branches, tijuanense tourist, denounced that she was victim of an attitude of discrimination on the part of the manager of a denominated
hotel “Alfonsina´s”, located in the bay of Gonzaga San Luis in the municipality of Cove, when went along with its family to the place to spend the
weekend.
According to the version of Valdez Branches, the past 3 of September went in company of other 16 people, relatives and friendly, to the recreational
space to spend a weekend; when arriving at the place one went with the manager to ask for the rent of some rooms, to which the employee responded:
“All are Mexican”.
“I need to know if they are Mexican because they throw much water, they do not consume in the restaurant and they leave much cochinero” said the one
in charge to him of the business, in a whole that the paseante described like “tyrant”, when it asked the reasons for the questioning, and after which
the aforesaid one moved away leaving it with the word in the mouth.
Moments before asking for the origin of the possible clients, the employee recognized that there were two rooms available in the hotel, nevertheless,
these were denied to the knowledge that were Mexican.
“Peculiarly” he said the affected one, the person also discriminated who them “was Mexican”.
She emphasized that when leaving the premises along with their family, among them people of the third age, went towards a powerboat where the workers
commented, when some knew the happened thing, that type of situations discriminatorias on the part of the hotel personnel was continuous.
The majority of those who stay itself in that place is of North American origin, showed Valdez Branches, reason why it was sorry that a preferential
treatment exists towards the same connacionales that their visitors deal with contemptuous way.
“What she bothered to me more she is that he was a Mexican (who discriminates) and have preference by people of another nationality; one is going to
pay what the hotel… what pain that in Mexico occurs this type of situations here” referred, with annoyance costs.
The Secretariat of Tourism of the government of the state of frequent way invites to the bajacalifornianos “to be tourist in its state” and to visit
the different municipalities from the state as well as the establishments that supposedly are for taking care of the same Mexicans.
TIJUANA BC 12 DE SEPTIEMBRE DE 2011 (AFN).- Carlos Valdez Ramos, turista tijuanense, denunció que fue víctima de una actitud de discriminación por
parte del gerente de un hotel denominado "Alfonsina´s", ubicado en la bahía de San Luis Gonzaga en el municipio de Ensenada, cuando fue junto con su
familia al lugar para pasar el fin de semana.
Conforme a la versión de Valdez Ramos, el pasado 3 de septiembre se dirigió en compañía de otras 16 personas, familiares y amigos, al espacio
recreativo para pasar un fin de semana; al llegar al lugar se dirigió con el gerente para solicitar la renta de algunas habitaciones, a lo que el
empleado respondió: "¿Todos son mexicanos?".
"Necesito saber si son mexicanos porque tiran mucha agua, no consumen en el restaurante y dejan mucho cochinero” le dijo el encargado del negocio, en
un todo que el paseante calificó como "déspota", cuando preguntó los motivos del cuestionamiento, y tras lo que el susodicho se alejó dejándolo con la
palabra en la boca.
Momentos antes de preguntar por el origen de los posibles clientes, el empleado reconoció que había dos habitaciones disponibles en el hotel, sin
embargo, éstas fueron negadas al saber que eran mexicanos.
“Curiosamente” dijo el afectado, la persona que los discriminó “también era mexicano”.
Destacó que al salir del local junto con su familia, entre ellos personas de la tercera edad, se dirigieron hacia una gasolinera donde los
trabajadores comentaron, cuando algunos supieron lo sucedido, que ese tipo de situaciones discriminatorias por parte del personal hotelero eran
continuas.
La mayoría de quienes se hospedan en ese lugar son de origen norteamericano, manifestó Valdez Ramos, por lo que lamentó que exista un trato
preferencial hacia los mismos connacionales que tratan de manera despectiva a sus visitantes.
“Lo que más me molestó es que fue un mexicano (quien discrimina) y tienen preferencia por gente de otra nacionalidad; uno va a pagar lo que cuesta el
hotel… qué pena que aquí en México se den este tipo de situaciones” refirió, con molestia.
La Secretaría de Turismo del gobierno del estado de manera frecuente invita a los bajacalifornianos a “ser turistas en su estado” y a visitar los
diferentes municipios del estado así como los establecimientos que supuestamente están para atender a los mismos mexicanos.
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Right wrong or otherwise, you ain't in Kansas no more Dorthy.
This is part of the freedoms that everyone talks about by getting out of the USA and going to Baja.
They have the freedom to do what they want because it is their country and nothing changes fast.
I have permanent residency in Mexico and it is more difficult for me to fly from the US to Mexico than it is for you.
I have to enter the Mexican Line and show my Mexican paperwork and my US paperwork, and I am a resident.
But it is part of their process and they have the right to do so.
Bottom line, you either accept it or stop taking your Jeep to Baja.
[Edited on 9-19-2011 by CortezBlue]
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JESSE
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I don't thing many here are getting it. The hotel has all the right in the world to deny them service, or simply say "theres no rooms available" even
if there are. What they can't do is to first ask if they are Mexican, American, Canadian, Gay, Straight, Jewish, Women, Men, and THEN deny them
service.
You don't play games with that, simply say theres no rooms available, but don't play games and deny them service because they are any of the above,
THEN its discrimination.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
I don't thing many here are getting it. The hotel has all the right in the world to deny them service, or simply say "theres no rooms available" even
if there are. |
Well...I think I do get it. "It" is not a matter of rights...it's a matter of decency. If the guy is going to be an indecent a-hole just because he
has a right to be, he needs some serious boycott attention.
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
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I don't thing many here are getting it. The hotel has all the right in the world to deny them service, or simply say "theres no rooms available" even
if there are. |
Well...I think I do get it. "It" is not a matter of rights...it's a matter of decency. If the guy is going to be an indecent a-hole just because he
has a right to be, he needs some serious boycott attention. |
Well, he can legally be an a-hole, and the market can decide if they boycott him. But if the allegations are true, then its illegal and subject to an
investigation and fine. If they catch you denying service based on gender or ethncity your screwed.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
If they catch you denying service based on gender or ethncity your screwed. |
In that case, I apologize to all concerned if I ever had the nasty thought that we were getting special attention for DWG....Driving While Gringo.
Jes kiddin', Jesse. I see your point and do agree with you.
Still...a boycott might be fun....a muscle flexing excercise, so to speak.....kinda like bringing those ICBMs out of their silo regularly to give them
air.
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greengoes
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I have seen locals check into high-end hotels and proceed to fire up their BBQ's on the friggin balconies rather than eat out. If he wants to avoid
this more power to him. Question him when all potential customers act on a civilized level.
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J.P.
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I know a Gringo Hotel operator in Baja Sur that says he prefers the local vacitioning crowd over the gringo crowd, he claims the locals spend more and
are less trouble.
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Oddjob
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| Quote: | Originally posted by J.P.
I know a Gringo Hotel operator in Baja Sur that says he prefers the local vacitioning crowd over the gringo crowd, he claims the locals spend more and
are less trouble. |
You are dreaming.
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