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mcfez
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3 ring circus and a KKK for ring master
| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
On and off, through the years I have participated in OT on-and-off. Mostly off. I understand the conditions under which Doug established that area - I
was there when it happened.
But do those rules really mean that anyone can say ANYTHING? At the point it is now, it seems there is nothing going on aside from personal insults.
Ah, yes - there is another thing, and that is BLATANT racism. we have JoeJustJoe continually referring to people in clear, unmistakeable racist
terms. Drawing an equivalence between an insult and saying a person is Jewish.The kind of terms that brought on the Holocaust.
Is this what is desired? Are the managers of this website REALlY just going to stand by and let this continue? Complicity?
And Joe is not the only one. Skeet has recently, continuously referred to "Negroes", and other ethnicities and attempted to attribute behavior to
race. Now, if that is not the definition of racism, I must have missed a LOT during the last 30 years.
So, continue to let it be a free-for-all. Those that choose to participate deserve what they get. But, let's also draw some limit somewhere.
[Edited on 9-25-2011 by Roberto] |
Well Roberto...
Good luck trying to calm down the idiots of the board....the racist idiots. I got a few emails about 6 months ago...asking to to get into the O.T. to
punk some of these racist fools in there.
Yes..it was bad. It still is bad! I tried and succeeded for a while to tame it. Hell...I even took over OT with over postings......and still the
racist fools were there.
It was requested that I leave the OT by someone high on my standards list here at BN.....
Roberto.....it's been explained to me...that the OT was create for these folks of racist minds...as well as for.....the political debates and the rest
of the NON BAJA topics....to keep them out of the regular topics. Made sense. I got out.
I do indeed respect you for your views over there.
Regards.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
But, from my perspective, having lived over six centuries, |
WOW....you are old.
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Hey, I get carried away too...
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elizabeth
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Same as Jesse and Paula...
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durrelllrobert
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THIS WHOLE THREAD SOULD GET MOVED TO OT. Very little to do with Baja IMHO. 
Bob Durrell
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
THIS WHOLE THREAD SOULD GET MOVED TO OT. Very little to do with Baja IMHO.
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I disagree, many of the remarks and comments are made right here in the main board.
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
THIS WHOLE THREAD SOULD GET MOVED TO OT. Very little to do with Baja IMHO.
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I disagree, many of the remarks and comments are made right here in the main board. |
I agree some of the most racist and insensitive posts are right here on the main board, but because "Baja Nomad" is mostly a older forum for white
expats it sometimes goes unnoticed because many of the gringo members believe the same stereotypes.
Even when Baja Nomad members are trying to be nice towards Mexican people what they say comes off as a racial stereotype. For example you often hear
that, " Oh Mexicans are such warm people and often willing to help you out."
You would never hear something said about Americans, and how they are very warm. The closest you might get is something like," Oh the people in New
York are so rude, or people in the Midwest are so nice.
But generally you don't hear a stereotype about Americans in America, because as you know there are so many types of Americans with differnt
personality types that you can't pigeonhole every American with some positive or negative stereotype image. Of course when Americans go traveling
people in other countries do stereotype Americans are "ugly Americans."
But yes Mexicans are warm people, and helpful, but Mexico also has Mexicans that will slit your throat, rob you, cheat you, and some will help you out
Mexicans come in shapes and sizes. You can't stereotype a whole class of people, yet I see it all the time on this forum. Just last week one Nomad
member made a very insensitive remark about Mexicans are taught "defeat" and have no backbone, but a different word was used. I felt that was very
rude, condescending, and smacked as a racial stereotype!
When I use to lurk at the "OT" before I started to post. I found the "OT" area to be very hateful towards liberals with all the talk about looney
liberals. The "OT" area had many posts that were bigoted towards, Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, and gays. This was non stopped. What McFez and I tried to
do is even the odds and put a mirror up to some of these very right-wing Nomad members that were engaged in non stop racial trolling.
I'm not surprised Roberto only looks to the more liberal members, and complains only about just them. He did include racism by a older right-wing
member this time, but he is just try to cover his tracks because he knows I would ask about the Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims and gays that are always
bashed in the "OT" area. I think it's pretty funny to just complain about so-called antisemitism when the whole "OT" was off the chart racist, and
that's what Roberto use to do only complain about JoeJustJoe. It should be noted Roberto is a member of a hate forum that engages in non stop hating
against Mexico, Mexicans, and Muslims. ( shame on Roberto)
The other problems in the "OT" area are the second handles. Banned ex-Nomad members come here to cause havoc and if they are banned, it's no sweat
off their brow because they will just come back as another handle.
[Edited on 9-26-2011 by JoeJustJoe]
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Even when Baja Nomad members are trying to be nice towards Mexican people what they say comes off as a racial stereotype. For example you often hear
that, " Oh Mexicans are such warm people and ofter willing to help you out."
---- He did include racism by a older right-wing member this time, but he is just try to cover his tracks because he knows I would ask about the
Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims and gays that are always bashed in the "OT" area.
[Edited on 9-26-2011 by JoeJustJoe] |
" Oh Mexicans are such warm people and ofter willing to help you out."
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If that is a racial steriortype/slur don't overlook these ones:
- the irish are such hard workers
- the Chinese are so clever
- the French are such good lovers
- the italians are such good cooks
- the Polishe are --- etc., etc., etc.
[Edited on 9-26-2011 by durrelllrobert]
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DENNIS
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OT has sprung a leak and all this brown stuff is oozing into the main board.
This is serious sht, folks. Watch where you step until this gets fixed.
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tripledigitken
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JJJ,
Your antisemitic rants on OT are inexcusable, crawl back in your cave.
Ken
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
JJJ,
Your antisemitic rants on OT are inexcusable, crawl back in your cave.
Ken |
JJJ is only one letter away from KKK.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
JJJ,
Your antisemitic rants on OT are inexcusable, crawl back in your cave.
Ken |
My point exactly. So why is he allowed to continue? Doug, this question is addressed to you.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
Roberto.....it's been explained to me...that the OT was create for these folks of racist minds...as well as for.....the political debates and the rest
of the NON BAJA topics....to keep them out of the regular topics. Made sense. I got out.
Regards. |
Well, that's close to true. OT was created by Doug so that the board would have a place for "free discussion" of things not Baja related. I don't ever
recall anyone ever talking about having a place to house racists. And for a while, it even managed to be civilized, though it was always "lively" Mostly
politics is what was discussed.
Obviously civility is not with any sort of reach any more, but I hold out home that the people who are responsible for this board will stop allowing
the kind of despicable racism I brought up in the initial post. It's just not acceptable to use the word "jew" as an insult, nor to support
Ahmedinajad, a man who has advocated wiping Israel off the face of the earth and regularly denies the Holocaust ever happened. I firmly believe that
allowing N-zis of this kind to spew their filth is the beginning of a slippery slope. Next we will allow them to roam while they reinstate pogroms. Or
Apartheid, which seems to be right up Skeet's alley.
IMO, the first time someone makes a racist comment, they should be banned. Period. I mentioned two prime candidates, but are they the only ones? Not
even close.
There are more subtle forms of racism displayed on this board as well, and not in OT. It's common to see people talking of Mexicans as servants, or
close to that. When there are discussions of activities in Baja, they are usually Gringo-centered, but I digress.
I find personal insults and attacks also questionable, but they do not reach the threshold of racism.
This is my point. I wanted to clarify - not that it will make one iota of difference.
Again, I hope some action will be taked, but based on past behavior I rather doubt it. I will never understand that.
And with that, I am done on this one. Thanks for listening.
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JoeJustJoe
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So Roberto we aren't even suppose to be allowed to use the word "Jew" because it's racist to do so? Let me use a right-wing argument. Jews aren't a
race, they're an ethic heritage.
Roberto why are you always taking the Jewish side of the debate? Don't you see the double standard going on. In 1947 many of the countries that want
to deny Palestinian statehood in 2011 went before the UN General Assembly and pleaded for the rights of European White Jews to have a homeland, but
today deny the Palestinians the same right. That's just not right.
Roberto I think you're racially bias against Muslims, and if you recall you engaged in racism yourself against Muslims, and referred to me in
derogatory Muslim names instead of Joe! I would have been offended too if I were actually a foreign born Muslim. I got to admit it was a great job of
your cult leader Roberto of painting me as a Muslim that way when I talk about Mexican issues it takes away my credibility and makes gringos hate me
more especially if I say anything negative about Jews.( Oh I'm sorry I said Jews) Roberto do you believe my Momma named me Jihad?
Without going into detail. Dennis is the most frequent abuser of racially insensitive remarks towards Mexicans. Of course he will deny it, but I think
most people here know what I'm talking about.
If anything Baja Nomads need more Mexican posters not less. You do have a few Mexican posters here, even Mexican nationals, but I have a feeling they
bite their lips before telling you their real feelings because they may have commercial interests. I'm not like that, and do speak my mind, but out of
respect for the main forum. I do most of my posting in the "OT' area. I don't like heavy censorship and that's what Roberto is asking for. It's
always that way when somebody says something others don't like.
I remember when a Nomad member put up a picture of a Monkey on a phone referring to a well Known black "Nomad" member! Where was Roberto's outrage
then? Roberto is a member of one of the worst "hate sites' I have ever seen, and where members instead of white sheets use anonymous handles to spread
racial hate. It's like Roberto is a member of the KKK, and he is pointing a finger at JoeJustJoe calling him a racist. How funny.
[Edited on 9-26-2011 by JoeJustJoe]
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Well, that's close to true. OT was created by Doug so that the board would have a place for "free discussion" of things not Baja related. I don't ever
recall anyone ever talking about having a place to house racists. And for a while, it even managed to be civilized, though it was always "lively" Mostly
politics is what was discussed.
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"I firmly believe that allowing N-zis of this kind to spew their filth .."
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Is refering to someone as a N-zi not just as bad as refering to someone as a jew in terms of racial insults? As a person of German heritage you have
insulted me.
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"IMO, the first time someone makes a racist comment, they should be banned. "
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but of course you are exempt?
[Edited on 9-26-2011 by durrelllrobert]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
JJJ,
Your antisemitic rants on OT are inexcusable, crawl back in your cave.
Ken |
My point exactly. So why is he allowed to continue? Doug, this question is addressed to you. |
roberto, ken,
the anti-muslim, anti-black and anti-gay hate speech in the OT is far more prevalent than the anti-semetic hate speech.... of course that is no excuse
for joejoe responding with hate speech to counter hate speech...
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Without going into detail. Dennis is the most frequent abuser of racially insensitive remarks towards Mexicans. Of course he will deny it, but I think
most people here know what I'm talking about.
[Edited on 9-26-2011 by JoeJustJoe] |
WTF are you talking about 
Bob Durrell
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Again, I hope some action will be taken, but based on past behavior I rather doubt it. I will never understand that.
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I know it's been brought to Doug's attention on more than one occasion by more than one poster. I find his inaction disappointing, to say the least
and his silence here even more disturbing.
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Again, I hope some action will be taken, but based on past behavior I rather doubt it. I will never understand that.
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I know it's been brought to Doug's attention on more than one occasion by more than one poster. I find his inaction disappointing, to say the least
and his silence here even more disturbing. |
Dave has anti-Muslim hate speech right there on his signature. Many forums will delete that, or ban you for doing stuff like that. But I guess it's OK
as long as there isn't any so-called anti-semitism. Dave also refers to me in anti-Muslim terms, and jokes about Muslims in the "OT' area. I would be
really offended if I were Muslims. In fact I'm offended even if I'm not Muslim. Dave just doesn't push the envelope, but he engages in bigotry too.
Notice how all the extremists right-wingers are only against Joe?
Dave's signature: ( how offensive and it's in the main area of "BN" too and everywhere he goes)
Islam is the religion of 'peace' and Muslims will kill you to prove it.
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bajamigo
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Well, as long as we've steered this post into a morass of comparative religion, let's see if the Koran negates Dave's "signature":
[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and
their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends
until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them
a friend or a helper.
[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be
murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for
them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who
disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what
they do.
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in
wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving,
Merciful.
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the
religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of
subjection.
[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's
way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his
covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty achievement.
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
JJJ,
Your antisemitic rants on OT are inexcusable, crawl back in your cave.
Ken |
My point exactly. So why is he allowed to continue? Doug, this question is addressed to you. |
roberto, ken,
the anti-muslim, anti-black and anti-gay hate speech in the OT is far more prevalent than the anti-semetic hate speech.... of course that is no excuse
for joejoe responding with hate speech to counter hate speech... |
Goat,
You seem to have forget the misogynistic insults you personally lobbed at Old Lady. What a hypocrite.
Ken
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