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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Yes, I see you saw the error on the 14 hour time... I did press you because I was sure you meant from Riverside or maybe Tecate to Cataviņa, but
surely not El Rosario, 76 miles away!
For most of us, the 300 mile drive from the border to Cataviņa is an easy 7 hour drive... up to 8 with construction and military delays, maybe.
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I personally cannot drive fast through the mountains from San Quintin to El Rosario (and beyond). I get scared of the heights since I'm acrophobic.
So, I have to drive really slowly through that section which slows me way down. No 7 hour drivetime, and I personally don't know how that is
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Sorry, buy lying is not in my nature... again (from above):
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7 hours or less... It depends on highway construction, military checks, San Quintin valley traffic, your driving...
Best case times:
Tecate to Ensenada is 1.5 hours
Crossing Ensenada is .5 hr.
Ensenada to El Rosario is 3.5 hours
El Rosario to Cataviņa is 1.5 hours
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Bugman
posted on 11-10-2011 at 12:23 PM
Barring an accident it has always been 7-8 hours at most for me.
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ateo
posted on 11-9-2011 at 06:08 PM
I say 8 hours. You should be fine.
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rts551
posted on 11-9-2011 at 05:14 PM
7 hours or so. Driving time from Tecate is just slightly more than from TJ.
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tripledigitken
posted on 11-9-2011 at 04:57 PM
We do it in 8 hrs in an SUV with 2 gas stops and a misc. short break or two.
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ddawson
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I too do it in the seven hour range.
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And Davidk posted on 11-6-2011 at 11:26 PM
"This is only an option for those casually driving the peninsula and not in a mad rush to CABO or some destination where they are spending their
entire vacation (instead of taking in more of what Baja has to offer).
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Yes, I see you saw the error on the 14 hour time... I did press you because I was sure you meant from Riverside or maybe Tecate to Cataviņa, but
surely not El Rosario, 76 miles away!
For most of us, the 300 mile drive from the border to Cataviņa is an easy 7 hour drive... up to 8 with construction and military delays, maybe.
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I personally cannot drive fast through the mountains from San Quintin to El Rosario (and beyond). I get scared of the heights since I'm acrophobic.
So, I have to drive really slowly through that section which slows me way down. No 7 hour drivetime, and I personally don't know how that is
possible, unless you are telling "Baja lies". |
Sorry, buy lying is not in my nature... again (from above):
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7 hours or less... It depends on highway construction, military checks, San Quintin valley traffic, your driving...
Best case times:
Tecate to Ensenada is 1.5 hours
Crossing Ensenada is .5 hr.
Ensenada to El Rosario is 3.5 hours
El Rosario to Cataviņa is 1.5 hours
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Others you missed reading?:
Bugman
posted on 11-10-2011 at 12:23 PM
Barring an accident it has always been 7-8 hours at most for me.
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ateo
posted on 11-9-2011 at 06:08 PM
I say 8 hours. You should be fine.
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rts551
posted on 11-9-2011 at 05:14 PM
7 hours or so. Driving time from Tecate is just slightly more than from TJ.
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tripledigitken
posted on 11-9-2011 at 04:57 PM
We do it in 8 hrs in an SUV with 2 gas stops and a misc. short break or two.
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David K
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How about the entire post Ralph, as it is I see nothing that changes my driving time from what you, me and others have posted (ie. 7-8 hours). ?
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You guys are a riot. You remind me of my father and his brother who used to spend hours arguing about estimated driving times between point X and
point Y.
I sure hope the OP gets a close enough estimate of his question so that he can enjoy the wine country.
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Ken Cooke
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I did the mad rush to the tip once, and it wasn't easy nor fun. No stops for photos, no time for meals or restroom breaks, nada. Taking breaks,
visiting with locals is how I roll. 
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We will be in a mad rush to our cabin out EastCape to work on it for a month...but we always drive safely, and brake for all livestock, potholes, etc.
I had thought that route might take way longer than Mx 1...but it seems it is only a little longer. Should be worth the avoidance of LA and a nice
change of scenery.
We are not retirees and time is at a premium.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by volcano
We will be in a mad rush to our cabin out EastCape to work on it for a month...but we always drive safely, and brake for all livestock, potholes, etc.
I had thought that route might take way longer than Mx 1...but it seems it is only a little longer. Should be worth the avoidance of LA and a nice
change of scenery.
We are not retirees and time is at a premium. |
how does avoiding los angeles have anything to do with tecate vs san ysidro border crossing choice?
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volcano
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going to cut eastward from Oregon and avoid the worst of the cities in So. Cal.
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tripledigitken
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cranky today?
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by volcano
We will be in a mad rush to our cabin out EastCape to work on it for a month...but we always drive safely, and brake for all livestock, potholes, etc.
I had thought that route might take way longer than Mx 1...but it seems it is only a little longer. Should be worth the avoidance of LA and a nice
change of scenery.
We are not retirees and time is at a premium. |
how does avoiding los angeles have anything to do with tecate vs san ysidro border crossing choice? |
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Ken Cooke
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Day or nighttime travel?
I remember traveling to San Felipe during the 2010 4th of July weekend to camp with David K. Leidys and I left our house at 1 p.m. on Friday, July
2nd and David K traveled the roads late at night - something people on the forums discourage.
His travel time was much shorter than mine, because he wasn't sitting in traffic like I was - which made for a much faster trip. Because of the
accidents and incidents I have observed in Baja, I am less likely to drive in the middle of the night.
I also tend to travel much more slowly as to avoid accidents - normally about 55 m.p.h. - much slower than David K has told me that he tends to drive.
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I Feel Your Pain, But
| Quote: | Originally posted by ateo
I think they need to make a road from Colonet to El Rosario that by passes all towns.........maybe east of the current road. As Mr. Guero, I
authorize this construction. This will save at least an hour. |
Given the long term plans to create a deep water container ship facility at Colonet, the foreseeable future will likely find any consideration of
bypass roads to be North of Colonet to expedite the flow of commerce.
You can certainly blame the Los Pinos folks for most, if not all of the congestion twixt Colonet and El Rosario. Just who do they think they are
creating an agricultural juggernaut employing so many? 
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
I remember traveling to San Felipe during the 2010 4th of July weekend to camp with David K. Leidys and I left our house at 1 p.m. on Friday, July
2nd and David K traveled the roads late at night - something people on the forums discourage.
His travel time was much shorter than mine, because he wasn't sitting in traffic like I was - which made for a much faster trip. Because of the
accidents and incidents I have observed in Baja, I am less likely to drive in the middle of the night.
I also tend to travel much more slowly as to avoid accidents - normally about 55 m.p.h. - much slower than David K has told me that he tends to drive.
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I don't like night driving in central Baja, due to cattle as well as missing the great scenery... It is rare if I do.
However, the border to El Rosario or the border to San Felipe/ Puertecitos is not full of desert scenery I don't wish to miss (seen it hundreds of
times the past 45 years)... There is also no range cattle... at least I haven't ever seen them, in these two strips.
Baja Angel has to work to about 5:30, so there you go... we leave as soon as we can. Now, it so happens that we got to Shell Island long before you
guys did... You guys drove in that afternoon (after spending the previous night in San Felipe at a motel, I think... We like to camp (except in El
Rosario, where Baja Cactus is a taste of luxury on the central Baja frontier, we enjoy)!
On straight, open highways, I drive at a fairly good clip, but not insane... It is a Tacoma double cab, with vehicle stability control (VSC), also
called Electronic Stability Control. The most important advance in safety since the seat belt!:
Electronic Stability Control
Electronic stability control, first introduced on the 1995 Mercedes-Benz S-Class, evolved from traction control, and helps to avert a crash by
detecting and minimizing skids.
Following safety belts in importance is electronic stability control, Shenhar says. That's because devices such as airbags and safety cells make a
difference only once a collision happens, whereas ESC helps to avert a crash altogether. By detecting and minimizing skids, ESC reduces the risk of
fatal multiple-vehicle crashes by 32 percent and fatal single-vehicle crashes by 56 percent, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
That's huge, says Joe Nolan, head of the IIHS Vehicle Research Center.
German parts supplier Bosch developed electronic stability control in the 1990s. The first production car to use it was the 1995 Mercedes S-Class. Now
ESC comes standard on many vehicles, and beginning with the 2012 model year, it will be a federally mandated requirement on all passenger vehicles.
ESC uses sensors to detect the intended path of the vehicle and determine whether it's starting to skid. The system can selectively brake one or
multiple wheels to keep the vehicle on course. Some systems also reduce engine torque to help stabilize the vehicle. ESC is particularly helpful for
SUVS prone to rollover. It evolved from traction control, which prevents wheel spin, but traction control doesn't help steer a vehicle back on course
like ESC does.
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I make it from Tecate at 7am to GN at 4:30 pm no problem, why stop nothing to see. I did stop the first time in 1973 but now just gun it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K....Electronic Stability Control
Electronic stability control, first introduced on the 1995 Mercedes-Benz S-Class, evolved from traction control, and helps to avert a crash by
detecting and minimizing skids.
Following safety belts in importance is electronic stability control, Shenhar says. That's because devices such as airbags and safety cells make a
difference only once a collision happens, whereas ESC helps to avert a crash altogether. By detecting and minimizing skids, ESC reduces the risk of
fatal multiple-vehicle crashes by 32 percent and fatal single-vehicle crashes by 56 percent, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
That's huge, says Joe Nolan, head of the IIHS Vehicle Research Center.
German parts supplier Bosch developed electronic stability control in the 1990s. The first production car to use it was the 1995 Mercedes S-Class. Now
ESC comes standard on many vehicles, and beginning with the 2012 model year, it will be a federally mandated requirement on all passenger vehicles.
ESC uses sensors to detect the intended path of the vehicle and determine whether it's starting to skid. The system can selectively brake one or
multiple wheels to keep the vehicle on course. Some systems also reduce engine torque to help stabilize the vehicle. ESC is particularly helpful for
SUVS prone to rollover. It evolved from traction control, which prevents wheel spin, but traction control doesn't help steer a vehicle back on course
like ESC does. |
You should cite your source when lifting something verbatim, in this case, MSN.com
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
I remember traveling to San Felipe during the 2010 4th of July weekend to camp with David K. Leidys and I left our house at 1 p.m. on Friday, July
2nd and David K traveled the roads late at night - something people on the forums discourage.
His travel time was much shorter than mine, because he wasn't sitting in traffic like I was - which made for a much faster trip. Because of the
accidents and incidents I have observed in Baja, I am less likely to drive in the middle of the night.
I also tend to travel much more slowly as to avoid accidents - normally about 55 m.p.h. - much slower than David K has told me that he tends to drive.
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I don't like night driving in central Baja, due to cattle as well as missing the great scenery... It is rare if I do.
However, the border to El Rosario or the border to San Felipe/ Puertecitos is not full of desert scenery I don't wish to miss (seen it hundreds of
times the past 45 years)... There is also no range cattle... at least I haven't ever seen them, in these two strips.
Baja Angel has to work to about 5:30, so there you go... we leave as soon as we can. Now, it so happens that we got to Shell Island long before you
guys did... You guys drove in that afternoon (after spending the previous night in San Felipe at a motel, I think... We like to camp (except in El
Rosario, where Baja Cactus is a taste of luxury on the central Baja frontier, we enjoy)!
On straight, open highways, I drive at a fairly good clip, but not insane... It is a Tacoma double cab, with vehicle stability control (VSC), also
called Electronic Stability Control. The most important advance in safety since the seat belt!:
Electronic Stability Control
Electronic stability control, first introduced on the 1995 Mercedes-Benz S-Class, evolved from traction control, and helps to avert a crash by
detecting and minimizing skids.
Following safety belts in importance is electronic stability control, Shenhar says. That's because devices such as airbags and safety cells make a
difference only once a collision happens, whereas ESC helps to avert a crash altogether. By detecting and minimizing skids, ESC reduces the risk of
fatal multiple-vehicle crashes by 32 percent and fatal single-vehicle crashes by 56 percent, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
That's huge, says Joe Nolan, head of the IIHS Vehicle Research Center.
German parts supplier Bosch developed electronic stability control in the 1990s. The first production car to use it was the 1995 Mercedes S-Class. Now
ESC comes standard on many vehicles, and beginning with the 2012 model year, it will be a federally mandated requirement on all passenger vehicles.
ESC uses sensors to detect the intended path of the vehicle and determine whether it's starting to skid. The system can selectively brake one or
multiple wheels to keep the vehicle on course. Some systems also reduce engine torque to help stabilize the vehicle. ESC is particularly helpful for
SUVS prone to rollover. It evolved from traction control, which prevents wheel spin, but traction control doesn't help steer a vehicle back on course
like ESC does. |
so at night with esc you do 4 wheel drifts on the corners ?
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
There is also no range cattle... at least I haven't ever seen them, in these two strips.
Baja Angel has to work to about 5:30, so there you go... we leave as soon as we can. Now, it so happens that we got to Shell Island long before you
guys did... You guys drove in that afternoon (after spending the previous night in San Felipe at a motel, I think... We like to camp (except in El
Rosario, where Baja Cactus is a taste of luxury on the central Baja frontier, we enjoy)!
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David - Did you see the photo of the black Cow (that I photographed) on the side of Hwy 1 just south of Cataviņa? It was a real (not Lego) creature.
Be sure to drive safely. Electronic Stability Control can only help control sway and/or static traction so much...
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
I remember traveling to San Felipe during the 2010 4th of July weekend to camp with David K. Leidys and I left our house at 1 p.m. on Friday, July
2nd and David K traveled the roads late at night - something people on the forums discourage.
His travel time was much shorter than mine, because he wasn't sitting in traffic like I was - which made for a much faster trip. Because of the
accidents and incidents I have observed in Baja, I am less likely to drive in the middle of the night.
I also tend to travel much more slowly as to avoid accidents - normally about 55 m.p.h. - much slower than David K has told me that he tends to drive.
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I don't like night driving in central Baja, due to cattle as well as missing the great scenery... It is rare if I do.
However, the border to El Rosario or the border to San Felipe/ Puertecitos is not full of desert scenery I don't wish to miss (seen it hundreds of
times the past 45 years)... There is also no range cattle... at least I haven't ever seen them, in these two strips.
Baja Angel has to work to about 5:30, so there you go... we leave as soon as we can. Now, it so happens that we got to Shell Island long before you
guys did... You guys drove in that afternoon (after spending the previous night in San Felipe at a motel, I think... We like to camp (except in El
Rosario, where Baja Cactus is a taste of luxury on the central Baja frontier, we enjoy)!
On straight, open highways, I drive at a fairly good clip, but not insane... It is a Tacoma double cab, with vehicle stability control (VSC), also
called Electronic Stability Control. The most important advance in safety since the seat belt!:
Electronic Stability Control
Electronic stability control, first introduced on the 1995 Mercedes-Benz S-Class, evolved from traction control, and helps to avert a crash by
detecting and minimizing skids.
Following safety belts in importance is electronic stability control, Shenhar says. That's because devices such as airbags and safety cells make a
difference only once a collision happens, whereas ESC helps to avert a crash altogether. By detecting and minimizing skids, ESC reduces the risk of
fatal multiple-vehicle crashes by 32 percent and fatal single-vehicle crashes by 56 percent, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
That's huge, says Joe Nolan, head of the IIHS Vehicle Research Center.
German parts supplier Bosch developed electronic stability control in the 1990s. The first production car to use it was the 1995 Mercedes S-Class. Now
ESC comes standard on many vehicles, and beginning with the 2012 model year, it will be a federally mandated requirement on all passenger vehicles.
ESC uses sensors to detect the intended path of the vehicle and determine whether it's starting to skid. The system can selectively brake one or
multiple wheels to keep the vehicle on course. Some systems also reduce engine torque to help stabilize the vehicle. ESC is particularly helpful for
SUVS prone to rollover. It evolved from traction control, which prevents wheel spin, but traction control doesn't help steer a vehicle back on course
like ESC does. |
Toilet paper also protects one from skids.....
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Marc
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Ken, Hook that cow up to the Jeep and maybe you could save a few hours.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
There is also no range cattle... at least I haven't ever seen them, in these two strips.
Baja Angel has to work to about 5:30, so there you go... we leave as soon as we can. Now, it so happens that we got to Shell Island long before you
guys did... You guys drove in that afternoon (after spending the previous night in San Felipe at a motel, I think... We like to camp (except in El
Rosario, where Baja Cactus is a taste of luxury on the central Baja frontier, we enjoy)!
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David - Did you see the photo of the black Cow (that I photographed) on the side of Hwy 1 just south of Cataviņa? It was a real (not Lego) creature.
Be sure to drive safely. Electronic Stability Control can only help control sway and/or static traction so much... |
Ken, Cataviņa is SOUTH of EL ROSARIO... re-read my reply!
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