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Barry A.
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Tripper------The cost of citations in CA is out of control!!!!!!! but, I never had to pay THAT MUCH before. JeeeeZo that is insane!!!!
(and that rediculous "charge" just breeds corruption, you are right)
But as you all are sure to know, don't EVER offer a cop in the USA any mordida--------or it's jail for you!!! and that is just the beginning. 
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dirtbikr
What I meant was if I have broken the traffic laws and I have in the past, in that situation I would rather pay a small mordida and make the problem
go away there and then, for me the amount has been usually forty bucks or less. Yes, going to the station you pay less but I just want to get on
with it and try and find a taco and a cerveza. |
We (not me driving of course) once ran a yellow light in Rosarito and paid $40 to just get back on with our day. Fast, pleasant and easy actually.
His family had tacos and beer on us that night.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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OK....Mordida Question:
From a moral standpoint........which is the most serious of sins; paying mordida for something you DID do, or something you DIDN'T do? One has to
carry more weight in the court of "Right and Wrong."
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My wife recently cost us $550 when she ALMOST came to a full stop before making a right turn onto Oceanside Blvd. Red light cameras don't just catch
you blowing thru an intersection, they also are setup to make sure you come to a complete stop when making a right turn. She was going about 1/2 mile
per hour when she made her turn. $550!!! We were robbed.
As for Baja, haven't paid a fine in 10 years at least. Seems like I used to a lot, but I drive a little more careful these days.
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J.P.
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Theres a cop in San Diego wondering how many years he's going to get for demanding Mordida
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dirtbikr
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[Edited on 11-20-2011 by dirtbikr]
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If you\'re not living on the EDGE... You\'re taking up too much room! Its never too late for a darkside.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by J.P.
Theres a cop in San Diego wondering how many years he's going to get for demanding Mordida |
Nahhhhhhhhhhh, never happen.
Barry
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
OK....Mordida Question:
From a moral standpoint........which is the most serious of sins; paying mordida for something you DID do, or something you DIDN'T do? One has to
carry more weight in the court of "Right and Wrong." |
Morally, "something you did not do". (IMO)
Barry
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Pay as you GO
The thing about these discussions on Mordida is that they're not going to change Anybody's habits or opinion.
Those who believe in paying (including me) will continue to do so and consider it well-spent.
Dittos for the Don'ts.
As to N.O.B., I HAVE paid the same in the USA.
But, it was (more than once) down South in the '60s.
It's probably gone by now even there. Too Bad ?
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Bajafun777
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Mexico's mordida is much easier and somewhat more honest than what we practice in California. Cities, Counties and State agencies are looking to
clean-up on us citizens to make up for budget cuts of their departments. This is just too bad for us right now, so hopefully everyone is being extra
aware out there on the roadways.
WE have a fiscal issue but we spend like crazy on more CHP to get more monies from the people already stressed with costs here. Have nothing against
CHP but in Imperial County we only have 6 Sheriff deputies on for the entire County at night, so come on the State traffic officers are way out of
line in employment at the moment. I cite this due to seeing over 6 CHP on my way to San Diego before even getting to Golden Acorn Casino and yes more
after that. Before anyone asks no I have not had any tickets nor been pulled over. However, I know the court system well from the inside out and it
is not pretty with their bloated system feeding off fines and court fees that are totally out of line.
The cities throughout California demand that their officers cite while out on patrol and anybody that does not think an officer without any tickets
given before they get off shift don't have a problem with administration is dreaming. I know I will have some officers here argue this but let the
truth be said. Time to stop blowing hot air up somewhere it doesn't belong! City managers, County CEOs, State politicians all keep looking to fill
their cups from any easy means to which tickets is one of the easiest ways.
Traffic judges salaries come from fines collected just like the Judges salaries come from assested court costs do. So scream this is wrong and untrue
but it supplements their kingdom budgets that are excessive to say the least. If people only understood the court costs fees which run hundreds of
dollars tacked onto the actual traffic fine, they would be ticked off to say the least. Red light violations have been shown to be corrupt due to
companies getting rich off of planning lights changing so quick in order to get people cited. These quick lights helped them to attain more profits
due to the increase in tickets. One hand feeds the other unfortunately and as always the people get screwed by the same system that is suppose to
work for them.
Yes, Mexico's mordida is wrong but our system in California is so totally wacked, that I too would prefer the lesser of two evils by just paying the
least invasive. My reasoning to this would be to make the highway ripoff quicker and we could go on our way quicker. The courts and politicians are
also in bed with the insurance companies to make sure that all sides of the B.S. gets their pound of flesh from those being taken advantage of. I
think we would all agree that there are some pretty silly traffic violations out there which fills corrupt cups of plenty!! Hard to throw rocks at the
cheaper of two evils but then I could be wrong,LOL. Take Care & Travel Safe---"No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777
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A distinction
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
OK....Mordida Question:
From a moral standpoint........which is the most serious of sins; paying mordida for something you DID do, or something you DIDN'T do? One has to
carry more weight in the court of "Right and Wrong." |
Mordida is paying for something you did. Extortion is paying for something you didn't.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Mordida is paying for something you did. Extortion is paying for something you didn't. |
A further distinction................I'm referring to the morality of paying. Not receiving.
Doesn't seem likely that a victim would extort himself.
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[Edited on 11-21-2011 by DENNIS]
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajafun777
The cities throughout California demand that their officers cite while out on patrol and anybody that does not think an officer without any tickets
given before they get off shift don't have a problem with administration is dreaming. bajafun777 |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajafun777
The cities throughout California demand that their officers cite while out on patrol and anybody that does not think an officer without any tickets
given before they get off shift don't have a problem with administration is dreaming. I know I will have some officers here argue this but let the
truth be said.
bajafun777 |
Cities DO not tell their officers to go out a write tickets for violations.
What they do ask of their officers is to DO THEIR JOBS.
Which is obviously to enforce the laws.
In any place other than vast expanses of rural areas, an officer who does not see several violations in an 8 or 10 hour shift either has his eyes
closed or is spending way too much time in the doughnut shop.
CHP are TRAFFIC cops and are keyed in on TRAFFIC violators more so than burglars and candy bar thieves. Thus it would be perfectly normal for them to
write far more citations than a sheriff or a City patrol officer.
If you personally know of any cities (at least in California) that verbally, or in writing as part of policy, instruct it's officers to go out and
write as many citations as they can, you should be prepared to back that up because I call BS to your assertions.
[Edited on 11-21-2011 by DaliDali]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
Cities DO not tell their officers to go out a write tickets for violations.
What they do ask of their officers is to DO THEIR JOBS.
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You mean to say, the "Quota" reference to traffic law enforcement is all a myth? Probably so...huh.
But, that can't be to say that any given city will not have a tacit level of intensity for which to enforce the law...can it? There has to be a
level, a benchmark for law interpretation in the field, and that level is set by administration from overly permissive to Draconian. Otherwise, the
cop on the street will be relegated to a roving legal system, without constraints, to punish or forgive as he sees fit at the moment. Freelance law
enforcement....so to speak.
Police may not be told to write, write, write, but if they don't to an accepted level, their next writing may be on a job application. His proper roll
for his own job security falls somewhere between Barney Fife and Serpico, and that place is unspoken, but well defined.
Now....I'm just talkin' and wonderin' here. No accusations or anything like that so please don't take any offense to my questions. You'll know,
without question, when I'm being offensive.
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
Cities DO not tell their officers to go out a write tickets for violations.
What they do ask of their officers is to DO THEIR JOBS.
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You mean to say, the "Quota" reference to traffic law enforcement is all a myth? Probably so...huh.
But, that can't be to say that any given city will not have a tacit level of intensity for which to enforce the law...can it? There has to be a
level, a benchmark for law interpretation in the field, and that level is set by administration from overly permissive to Draconian. Otherwise, the
cop on the street will be relegated to a roving legal system, without constraints, to punish or forgive as he sees fit at the moment. Freelance law
enforcement....so to speak.
Police may not be told to write, write, write, but if they don't to an accepted level, their next writing may be on a job application. His proper roll
for his own job security falls somewhere between Barney Fife and Serpico, and that place is unspoken, but well defined.
Now....I'm just talkin' and wonderin' here. No accusations or anything like that so please don't take any offense to my questions. You'll know,
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There is NO quota system for writing tickets.
What there is, is a firm requirement that the officers do their jobs. Some supervisors may stress more vigilent enforcement than others but I can
guarantee you that no sergeant or lieutenant in charge of a squad of officers is going to utter one word about "Hey Joe, I want to see 5 citations out
of you today"
Officer X, who puts in a 40 hour week behind the wheel of a police car "should" be issuing traffic citations as part of his/her job.....it's what they
get paid for.
All part of the "protect" slogan....and depending on who your speaking with, not so much the "serve" part.
As stated before, if they are not, why not?..are they timid, lazy, blind or just what is the problem that your not seeing violations when all your
other peer officers are?
If that very low enforcement level continues, while others are "up to par" officer X will be counseled as to why.
The MYTH of officers having a "quota" is just that.....a myth.
If you get stopped for doing 85mph on an interstate, when the maximum limit is 70 and you get a citation, surely you don't whine and complain the
officer is just meeting his quota?
If you make a right turn in violation of a sign and get a ticket, is that just filling a quota because you think it's chicken sheet?
I could care less about you being offensive and it has nothing to do with how obnoxious you are or are not. Nothing personal for sure Mr Dennis.
Quotas do not exist.....only in the minds of those who tried to beat the law and lost are they a "quota"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
If that very low enforcement level continues, while others are "up to par" officer X will be counseled as to why.
The MYTH of officers having a "quota" is just that.....a myth.
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I stated that I didn't believe a quota existed, but your contradictory statement above seems to suggest otherwise.
Perhaps it's the word, "Quota", that is confusing the issue. A better term may be, "Proof of Participation." Your term, "Up to Par" is a good one as
well.
At any rate, as you pointed out, if at the end of the day a traffic officer doesn't bring home the bacon, so to speak, his efficiency and productivity
will be reviewed.
I guess you know what they say about birds that sound like ducks.
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Paid Mordida once, Rosarita Beach, about 5 years ago. In a van after dinner and c-cktails, jumping around from club to club with family, and
accidentally turned down a one way street the wrong way. It was not marked, but once on the street for a block or so, it became obvious to me. Too
late, cops spotted me and pulled me over. I had two $20's in my clip for just such an occasion ... one for each cop, or two if just one cop. In this
case I was in the wrong, and though I had only one c-cktail at dinner (designated driver) the family was whoopin it up. Their "happy behavior" didn't
help my effort. Just wanted to get all of us out of the situation and
back to the hotel. It worked, and I don't intend to repeat the process.
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
If that very low enforcement level continues, while others are "up to par" officer X will be counseled as to why.
The MYTH of officers having a "quota" is just that.....a myth.
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I stated that I didn't believe a quota existed, but your contradictory statement above seems to suggest otherwise.
Perhaps it's the word, "Quota", that is confusing the issue. A better term may be, "Proof of Participation." Your term, "Up to Par" is a good one as
well.
At any rate, as you pointed out, if at the end of the day a traffic officer doesn't bring home the bacon, so to speak, his efficiency and productivity
will be reviewed.
I guess you know what they say about birds that sound like ducks. |
Unfortunately, there is no other way to evaluate officers on the performance of their jobs other than the "numbers" they bring in at the end of the
shift.
Good quality "contacts" are what an officers day is made of.
However, no one along the line of authority and up the chain of command, including City civilian officials would EVER advocate, promote or subscribe
to a certain quota of enforcement.
To do so, would be suicide if that persons views became public.
There are hoards of public watch dog agencies around that would dearly love to bring down a police captain or a City councilman/woman who dare promote
a quota on traffic citations.
Furthermore........
A good officer will be bringing in several "contact" numbers at the end of his/her shift and often, some of those contacts are citations.
The lazy or timid officer will have very few.
Who do you want patrolling your neck of the woods? A drone? A timid officer?
After all, their jobs are to "protect and serve"
If their not turning the numbers, they are not protecting you and the serving goes out the window.
It's just like any other profession....either produce or were going to counsel you on why your not.
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Barry A.
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DaliDali has it EXACTLY right------been there, done that, both in the street and behind a desk.
Barry
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