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Mengano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
I am just saying some people seem to enjoy spending most of their days sitting in front of the computer finding anything remotely
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I noticed the same thing, in reverse. There are some people who seem to enjoy spending most of their days sitting in front of the
computer finding anything remotely positive to post about Mexico. You know, like telling the whole world what will be on their restaurant menu for
Thanksgiving, or suggesting his restaurant makes better hamburgers, or posting pictures of the latest dead fish guests at their B&B brought in to be filleted, or reposting ad naseum, pictures of the same plants in the flower pots in their yard, just so the tagline with the link to their B&B is on the post.
Funny thing though, all those people have a business in Mexico that would be adversely affected by negative comments. Every once in awhile some poor
innocent souls fall prey and get their clocks cleaned out, like the Diana Giannelli's of the world, who don't know how to protect themselves from the vultures, and relied upon the advice of certain remorseless Baja
Nomads.
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bajabass
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Hey, I moved down here for pretty plants, dead fish and good food!!!  Life in Baja is great.
I can think of a few posters that should get together, start a "I Hate Baja" web site, there by, spending less time being so negative here.
Keep your eyes on the road, and your hands upon the wheel!
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Iflyfish
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Mexican goats are inferior to North American Goats, but not as nasty. Just sayin' (this is humor, read with tongue in cheek, go see video posted above
for an example of humor). I will save you the footnotes, just this time.
Well said Jesse.
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C-Urchin
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Anti-Mexico gang
I have frequently come across destitute Gringos barely subsisting in Mexico who don't even speak Spanish to an elementary school level.
Scary people.
*Be the man your dog thinks you are
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
I am just saying some people seem to enjoy spending most of their days sitting in front of the computer finding anything remotely
negative to post about Mexico. |
I noticed the same thing, in reverse. There are some people who seem to enjoy spending most of their days sitting in front of the
computer finding anything remotely positive to post about Mexico. You know, like telling the whole world what will be on their restaurant menu for
Thanksgiving, or suggesting his restaurant makes better hamburgers, or posting pictures of the latest dead fish guests at their B&B brought in to be filleted, or reposting ad naseum, pictures of the same plants in the flower pots in their yard, just so the tagline with the link to their B&B is on the post.
Funny thing though, all those people have a business in Mexico that would be adversely affected by negative comments. Every once in awhile some poor
innocent souls fall prey and get their clocks cleaned out, like the Diana Giannelli's of the world, who don't know how to protect themselves from the vultures, and relied upon the advice of certain remorseless Baja
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1.-This board was crated by the remnants of the defunct amigos board back in the late 90's. I am pretty sure you did not post then ( i never saw you),
because the main purpose of the board was to keep in touch with baja, because we loved baja. A guy like you would have been a fly on pozole, just
totally useless, negative, and bitter. The fact that you complaint about people posting positive things about baja just shows you know nothing about
the original purpose of the board, and shows your only here to pee on other peoples jacuzzi.
2.-Since this is a baja board, created for people that like baja, i think its great to know about that little restaurant on my way to el Rosario, or
that new little hotel where i can rest in Guerrero Negro. I also like to learn about baja plants, animals etc etc. I am fully aware that bad things
happen in baja as well, but if i want to learn about that, those news are all over the regular media, Mexican or American. Or do you honestly think
you are doing us a favor by spending your entire day finding negative stuff to copy and paste here?
3.-People like you are precisely the problem. I don't mind negative legitimate posts from others who also can value good information and debate other
topics. But you, a nut job who spends his entire day sitting in a computer, who doesn't even live in Mexico, who has been banned several times from
this board and keeps coming back with new aliases, and who is so bitter, insane, and sad that you take time to create mirrow message boards to defame
others simply because they tell you the truth, that you are not complete and fully functioning up there. You sir, are perro caca and not much else.
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Dont try to to confuse people with lies.
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No. I don't have to do that. You, and some others here are more easily confused by the painful truth.
Where and when did I lie? I'll respect your right to make that accusation if you'll respect my right to ask you for a reference.
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This is not about free speech,
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It isnt?? Well, of course it is. You dislike what someone says and you're making an issue of it, trying to present your antagonist as
indecent....and, doing so ostensibly for the well-being of the community.
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nobody is saying the topic should not be discussed or debated here.
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Yes. You certainly are.
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But i did wanted to expose those wackos who should get out of their rooms and smell reality.
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That, of course, would be your reality.
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Baja is not as bad as you claim it is,
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Now, you're getting personal, so I must insist on references. Why did I know you would go in this direction?
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its also not perfect and has its many problems.
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So...why do you object to having people point that out?
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And i am going to venture out and say the majority of the readers want to hear about good and bad news in baja, but do not care much for the serial
negative postings coming from those bitter people. |
And, I'm going to venture a guess that the majority of readers here don't digest what's distasteful and pass right on by the posters with a reputation
for unfounded negativity. These things have a way of self-regulating and don't require censorship. To excercise a strength like that is a method of
the weak-minded who let other's thoughts control them.
Is that you, Jesse? I would hope not. |
DENNIS,
I didn't read your responses, your a negative guy sometimes, but your also a guy who contributes many positive things to this board, i have no beef
with you. I think its normal to have some negative feedback every once in a while, but my beef is with those that are completely wacko and set on
negative mode because they don't even live or like it here. Yes sometimes your a pain, but i am sure i am also a pain somedays, thats cool.
Its the people whos only purpose here is to post negative stuff that i feel they should all go to hell.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
DENNIS,
I didn't read your responses, your a negative guy sometimes, but your also a guy who contributes many positive things to this board, i have no beef
with you. I think its normal to have some negative feedback every once in a while, but my beef is with those that are completely wacko and set on
negative mode because they don't even live or like it here. Yes sometimes your a pain, but i am sure i am also a pain somedays, thats cool.
Its the people whos only purpose here is to post negative stuff that i feel they should all go to hell. |
Agreed. Thanks for the reply.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by JESSE if i want to learn about that, those news are all over the regular media, Mexican or American.
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That is simply not true, and that is the reason I find relevant posts about safety and security important. In nature the most beautiful things can
also be the most dangerous- and Baja is no different. Nomads still want to know if their "secrets spots" are still there, if it is safe getting to
and from there, and the best places around to stay and eat while they are enjoying them. A reality and safety check to make sure their Baja memories
are worth revisiting.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | | Originally posted by JESSE if i want to learn about that, those news are all over the regular media, Mexican or American.
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That is simply not true, and that is the reason I find relevant posts about safety and security important. In nature the most beautiful things can
also be the most dangerous- and Baja is no different. Nomads still want to know if their "secrets spots" are still there, if it is safe getting to
and from there, and the best places around to stay and eat while they are enjoying them. A reality and safety check to make sure their Baja memories
are worth revisiting. |
Look, i also find posts about safety and security relevant, but they are relevant if they come from someone who at least likes it here, has lived
here, and can also offer positive things to contribute. If they only come to here to post crap, they can go to hell.
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bajabass
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Jesse, I've begun to look at the totally negative posters like ants at a picnic. Undesirable, but unavoidable as well. I still enjoy picnics
Keep your eyes on the road, and your hands upon the wheel!
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Mengano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The fact that you complaint about people posting positive things about baja just shows you know nothing about the original purpose of the board.
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I only complain about people lying about Baja. Is that the original purpose of the board, to lie? You know, like when you said La Paz was safer than
the US, and then somebody who probably sits at the computer 18-hours per day posted the actual crime statistics, published in Mexico by Mexicans, that
showed it had 5 times the crime rate as the US? Is that the negative news you are complaining about? The news that clearly shows you are posting
bald-faced lies?
Los gallos cantan, pero las gallinas dar huevos.
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
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The fact that you complaint about people posting positive things about baja just shows you know nothing about the original purpose of the board.
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I only complain about people lying about Baja. Is that the original purpose of the board, to lie? You know, like when you said La Paz was safer than
the US, and then somebody who probably sits at the computer 18-hours per day posted the actual crime statistics, published in Mexico by Mexicans, that
showed it had 5 times the crime rate as the US? Is that the negative news you are complaining about? The news that clearly shows you are posting
bald-faced lies?
Los gallos cantan, pero las gallinas dar huevos. |
Get help, your mentally deranged, and you are not even aware of it.
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JoeJustJoe
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Wow Jesse I'm so proud of you. It's about time somebody take on these Mexico/Mexican haters, racists, alarmists, and ugly American types.
When I use to read "Baja Nomad" from afar. I use to think the majority of members were world traveler types who had a "live and let live attitude."
Boy was I wrong. We have so many "BN" members who look at things through the narrow lens of an Ugly American. However, there are some great people
here on "BN" too who love Mexico almost unconditionally and think Mexico is a great place to live or vacation in, and they love Mexicans too.
Yeah there is room for negative news, and problems in Mexico, but for some "Nomad" members and other Mexican "alarmists." Bad news in the only thing
they want to rant about. To them everything is bad about Mexico, and they never have one kind word to say about Mexico or Mexicans.
I think most of these people are just bitter about something in their life, or perhaps they were once ripped off in Mexico, and now it's their life
goal to sound the alarm about the so-called dangerous Mexico.
I wish some of these types would just sell their Mexican homes even at a lost and go home to the USA. People like this give Americans a bad name too
all over the world.
[Edited on 11-23-2011 by JoeJustJoe]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
their Mexican homes |
Houses have nationality??
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Iflyfish
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
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The fact that you complaint about people posting positive things about baja just shows you know nothing about the original purpose of the board.
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I only complain about people lying about Baja. Is that the original purpose of the board, to lie? You know, like when you said La Paz was safer than
the US, and then somebody who probably sits at the computer 18-hours per day posted the actual crime statistics, published in Mexico by Mexicans, that
showed it had 5 times the crime rate as the US? Is that the negative news you are complaining about? The news that clearly shows you are posting
bald-faced lies?
Los gallos cantan, pero las gallinas dar huevos. |
Get help, your mentally deranged, and you are not even aware of it.
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Erick Berne, M.D. described a Psychological Game called "Ain't It Awful". This game is played by constantly seeing the negative in everything and
spending time focused upon it. It reinforces the existential position of the protagonist "I'm superior" and that is a cover for deep insecurity and
feelings of low self worth. This game can be played between the "Parents" of two or more people and can become a Pastime, like talking about Baseball
or where I found the cheapest ..... you name it.
Ain’t It Awful is a favorite pastime of xpats everywhere, who lack the capacity for joy, play and real intimacy. The Game bonds like minded people
together and provides stroking for all players. The result can feel uplifting to the players because it does structure time, which reduces social
anxiety, and generates a feeling of bonding between the players.
If you confront, “kick”, game players they revert to the Victim position and then Persecute you. It’s all rather predictable and that is also why it
is easy to join in playing this game, it both provides predictable human interactions and it reduces the real complexity of other people and other
cultures to terms that are comfortable to the players.
People who spend their time in their Critical Parent Ego State are always telling you what is good/bad, what one should/shouldn’t do, what is the
best/worst etc. They are not fun to be around unless you too like to hang out in that part of your psyche. People who spend time in their Free Child
Ego States are much more fun to be around as long as they have onboard an Adult to moderate their behavior and emotionality.
Nuff said. References upon request.
Iflyfish
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lizard lips
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As most of you know I travel all over Mexico and have lived in Baja for many years. Mexico and the states of Baja Sur and Baja Calif. have changed as
far as criminal activity is concerned in places that I never thought it would ever happen. Because of this my way of doing things have changed as
well. There are cities and states that I will not go back to anytime soon such as Tamaulipas, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Michoacan, Guerrero, and Nayarit. I
have worked in all the small ranchos and cities in Mexico along the Texas, Arizona and New Mexico border that will never see my face again. Just to
dangerous. Sinaloa is another however I will be going to Mazatlan in December to work on a murder investigation and I have no problem there in that I
feel pretty safe. I just turned down an assignment in Culiacan last week because it's crime has been just crazy for several years. Last time I was
there was two years ago but that area including Los Mochis and Guasave are very active, as anywhere in Sinaloa, with crime and I'm done in these area
as well. Acapulco, forget about it.
I always believed that Cabo San Lucas was a very safe place to go and immune from criminal activity but what has happened recently with a shooting in
front of a supermarket has me very concerned.
So where is it safer, Mexico or the U.S.? I really don't know but what I can tell you is I would have no problem going to any state in the U.S. for
business or pleasure.
Has elected government officials in cities and states in Mexico seen a decrease in being involved in criminal activity? NO-----Where is a chart or
graft that can explain this? There are none and you don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows and it has been blowing in the same
direction for 500 years. Why has this changed so suddenly now?
We that live in Baja and mainland Mexico have to take more precautions than we did before, there's no doubt about it. Not only are the cartels
involved but there are groups and individuals that have joined in on kidnappings and have targeted small business owners for extortion and threats of
death if they don't pay for "protection" and yes Jesse, you could say this was happening in the U.S. I would feel more comfortable calling the police
in the U.S. for help than in Mexico when you really don't know if they are involved or bought off.
I really like Baja and living here but times have changed and I am concerned and there are those who see through rose colored glasses and go about
there business as nothing has happened and all is well until it does and affects them in a negative way.
The Nomad board attracts those who despise Mexico and Mexicans and the gringos who live here but we that have made the move know all to well what is
actually occurring good and bad. Lately there hasn't been to much good to report with over 40,000 murders in the last 6 years. It's a fact plain and
simple. Try and overcome the big picture. You can't.
This post is from someone who really cares about the future of Mexico and it's people. I am not being negative, just informative and honest. For those
of you who want to sit there and pick apart this post have at it. It is just the truth as I know it. Enuf said......
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bufeo
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by Iflyfish...Erick Berne, M.D. described a Psychological Game called "Ain't It Awful". ... References upon request.
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Games People Play. Good book. Still refer to it on occasion.
Allen R
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Skipjack Joe
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I guess I'll erase mine since Lencho removed his post.
[Edited on 11-24-2011 by Skipjack Joe]
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woody with a view
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i don't REALLY care, but could we get some names of the worst offenders? maybe a link to the thread that chapped your hide?
a title like -> "Subject: Anti-Mexico gang keeps growing" is really just like BajaRich saying "do you like Loreto or Calexico?" there is too much
subjectivity to lead to an apples to apples conversation.
that said, i'm sure EVERY ONE of us might have uttered the dreaded words that Mexico is an armpit of the world at one time or another. or at least
been interpreted as having done so.
Happy Dia de Zopilote a TODO!!!!
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Mengano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
Erick Berne, M.D. described a Psychological Game called "Ain't It Awful". This game is played by constantly seeing the negative in everything and
spending time focused upon it. It reinforces the existential position of the protagonist "I'm superior" and that is a cover for deep insecurity and
feelings of low self worth. This game can be played between the "Parents" of two or more people and can become a Pastime, like talking about Baseball
or where I found the cheapest ..... you name it. |
What a great, in-depth internet psychiatric analysis. Do you do a lot of testifying as an expert witness on psychological matters? Of course, if you
are really interested in that, you should also read, "I'm OK, You're OK", by Thomas A Harris MD.
Pointing out that somebody is lying in order to advance his own personal agenda is not a psychological game, nor is it anything that one needs to be
cured of. Altruism is not a mental illness. As Freud may have said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
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