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bajabass
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Keep giving and serving in your altruistic manner Sr. Mengano. I am sure many here are grateful for your non-selfserving gifts of wisdom and
enlightenment that shall remain, for the larger part, without compensation or recognition.
Keep your eyes on the road, and your hands upon the wheel!
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BobY
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Now that's emo-tainment, Fulano, I mean, Mr. M. Dramatically twisting what other's say makes them spill pixels trying to defend themselves. My
favorite is the part about me quoting experts as if I'm as good as them. If I were, I wouldn't need to quote them. Hilarious!
As for the news show, yes, I'm guilty of the Stalinesque, crime of including positive social welfare news in most broadcasts. And look at the vast,
corrupt influence I'm having! Sometimes the YouTube videos have as many as 90 views! So many people under my filthy scheme of absolute, fascist Mind
Control!
The real horror is that my influence might increase, I might get a gig doing the weather on a cable station in Provo, Utah.
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Lobsterman
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What's you guys' problem? I appreciate Sr. Mengano taking the time to research what is happening in Mexico. You guys can take it or leave it but why
shoot the messenger of articles that are in the mexican papers. This is a informational website isn't it?
I for one see a very violent trend happening in eastern mexico and spreading westward. After traveling to many towns on both sides of the SOC since
the early 60s, I am now bidding my time NOB until who knows when. Hopefully the next President of Mexico can stop the violence that is ruining this
country and turning honest hard working people to the "darkside" so they can exist. So buying/renting a 2nd home in Mulege is out for the moment. For
twenty years I wanted a home at the Orchards to fish out of and stage my baja travels in retirement. Even at a 70% discount today I'm keeping my $ in
the bank instead.
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durrelllrobert
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So, the statistics say 56% of women haven't (yet) experienced sexual violence? If you throw out every girl under 14 YO ( 31%) and those women that are
over 60 (25%) that means that EVERY women in Mexico between the age of14 and 59 has been a victim!
I don't think so
Bob Durrell
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Bajahowodd
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Gawd! This is at best, off-topic. at worst, just another example of someone who is obsessed, punking folks on this forum.
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BobY
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Hi Bahowodd,
Maybe everybody's just too playful because of the holidays? Well soon, you-know-who will get back to some serious cyber-stalking, and we'll all
suddenly be members of al Quaeda.
But, in the mean time, I was pondering those stats, and thinking that they tell us what accounts for the elevated violence is a prolific violent
sector of the population, rather than a general social tendency to violence. Judging from other countries, poverty doesn't seem to account for it on
its own.
But I'm no sociologist. I'd like to learn about what experts and nationals think about it.
It's frustrating to see a lot of stats collected for women only, when violence affects everyone. I'm sure there are people who have collected data on
both genders and done plenty of slicing and dicing of the results to give a clearer picture. I just met a bilingual psychology professor that is
starting to research mental health issues in the expat community. Maybe he can help identify useful goodies.
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EnsenadaDr
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Vicious attacks..
I personally don't see anything that Robert has written that warrants such a vicious attack on him...he is trying to promote Rosarito..I lived there a
number of years..and it does have its good points. I think such a slander of character isn't fair on a public posting board and should be taken
offline on a face to face private chat. We are all living here, for whatever reason, hopefully its because the good outweighs the bad or the benefits
outweigh the risks. I venture to say that because of the Macho culture of Mexico, violence against women is more common (I personally can attest to
this). Unless Robert has committed an assault on a personal family member of yours, there is nothing that he has said that deserves a public
lashing...maybe a public beheading would be more appropriate??? | Quote: | Originally posted by BobY
Hi Bahowodd,
Maybe everybody's just too playful because of the holidays? Well soon, you-know-who will get back to some serious cyber-stalking, and we'll all
suddenly be members of al Quaeda.
But, in the mean time, I was pondering those stats, and thinking that they tell us what accounts for the elevated violence is a prolific violent
sector of the population, rather than a general social tendency to violence. Judging from other countries, poverty doesn't seem to account for it on
its own.
But I'm no sociologist. I'd like to learn about what experts and nationals think about it.
It's frustrating to see a lot of stats collected for women only, when violence affects everyone. I'm sure there are people who have collected data on
both genders and done plenty of slicing and dicing of the results to give a clearer picture. I just met a bilingual psychology professor that is
starting to research mental health issues in the expat community. Maybe he can help identify useful goodies. |
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BobY
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Thanks Doc. Only one person actually did the lashing, and he has little credibility here, as far as I can tell. He spends an amazing amount of time
perseverating about what he dislikes about other people, and somehow finds the time to do a lot of research on them so as to humiliate them. Kind of
reminds me of Jigsaw from the Saw movies. "Want to play a game?"
On the other hand, when he isn't spreading his brand of villification, he documents bad things that happen in Mexico that you might not come across
elsewhere.
He feels he is protecting people by warning them off. I suppose those that make it through the gauntlet of the American press, the State Department,
and Fulano, to visit or relocate will at least be the ones that are the least squeemish. Unfortunately, because statistical literacy is a rare
commodity, I don't really think the folks that are scared off are necessarily really making an informed decision in that sense.
But when you play Chicken Little, when something bad does happen, you get to be right every time, regardless of the actual probabilities.
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Mengano
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Would you post a link to your source data, Bob? Thanks in advance, I look forward to reviewing the research on that.
Oh, by the way, I know you already read this, but here is my research on the same subject. This is what the Mexican Senate is saying about it:
MÉXICO, D.F.- En México, una de cada 10 personas que acude a los servicios médicos de atención primaria padece depresión. Sin embargo, la
enfermedad no es detectada a tiempo. Sólo una de cada cuatro personas con este trastorno mental recibe algún tipo de tratamiento, y con frecuencia
éste consiste en medicación.
De acuerdo con un documento de la Comisión de Salud del Senado, la depresión afecta entre 12 y 20% a personas adultas, es decir, entre 18 y 65
años.
http://www.el-mexicano.com.mx/informacion/noticias/1/48/salu...
MEXICO, D.F. - In Mexico, one of every 10 persons who comes for primary medical care suffers from depression. However, the illness is not detected on
a timely basis. Only one in four person with this mental disorder receives some type of treatment, and frequently this treatment is only medication.
According to a document from the Senate Commission on Health, depression affects between 12% and 20% of adults, those between 18 and 65 years of age.
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This is what the US federal agency established by Congress says about it:
My statistical abilities are probably not as well developed as yours, is a 6.4% incidence rate for depression in the US more or less than a 12-20%
incidence rate in Mexico?
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BobY
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This is a whole new subject. A really interesting one for me. Let's start a new thread.
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Mika
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maybe Mexicans are more honest when answering the surveys. : )
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mika
maybe Mexicans are more honest when answering the surveys. : ) |
You've got to be kidding. In Mexico, the challenge for surveyors would be to find a large enough sample that would honestly open up to questions from
anyone. Mexican people play their cards pretty close to the chest.
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Mengano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mika
maybe Mexicans are more honest when answering the surveys. : ) |
You've got to be kidding. In Mexico, the challenge for surveyors would be to find a large enough sample that would honestly open up to questions from
anyone. Mexican people play their cards pretty close to the chest. |
The data is not from a survey anyway. It is from medical records of patients presenting for treatment.
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EnsenadaDr
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Friendly??
Seems to me that anyone who can't keep their hands off women are more than friendly!!! | Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
Mexico Violence: Mexico is in first place in sexual violence: UN
Mexico ranks first in sexual assaults against women, according to a 2010 United Nations Organization (UN) report. A global comparative study of by the
UN of women who have suffered sexual violence indicates that Mexico is first with 44 percent, followed by Costa Rica with 41, the Czech Republic 35
and Denmark with 28 percent.
The Ministry of Health estimates that around 120,000 rapes occur each year in Mexico , one every four minutes, although to date no comprehensive care
is provided to the victims because there is no effective follow-up of cases.
http://www.excelsior.com.mx/index.php?m=nota&seccion=sec... |
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
The myth of the friendly Mexican
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said the unfriendly american, chuck.
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Ateo
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Mexicans kick ass.
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djh
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Why? What is your intent?
| Quote: | | Originally posted by Mengano The myth of the friendly Mexican |
Why would you post such an inflammatory, generalizing, and racist Subject Line in your otherwise boring reprint of a bunch of statistics of
questionnable accuracy and value?
Seriously, what was your intent, and what were you thinking???
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
Peace, Love, and Music
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EnsenadaDr
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The Ultimate Sacrifice...
He's an altruist, existing for the benefit and promotion of well-being of others at the expense of him/herself..even if it means dragging everyone
else into the mire as well.. | Quote: | Originally posted by djh
| Quote: | | Originally posted by Mengano The myth of the friendly Mexican |
Why would you post such an inflammatory, generalizing, and racist Subject Line in your otherwise boring reprint of a bunch of statistics of
questionnable accuracy and value?
Seriously, what was your intent, and what were you thinking??? |
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Mengano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by djh
Why would you post such an inflammatory, generalizing, and racist Subject Line in your otherwise boring reprint of a bunch of statistics of
questionnable accuracy and value?
Seriously, what was your intent, and what were you thinking??? |
Well, I was going to start a thread on who has the best fish tacos, but I became clinically depressed just thinking about all those dead fish, and
Skeeter says the Sea of Cortez is overfished anyway, so I forgot to take my meds, being too worried about the fish. This caused a reoccurrence of my
somatoform disorders, and while I was investigating which Mexican clinic I would go to for $10,000 worth of colonics to remove the heavy mentals in my
body, I ran across an article in last week's Zeta Magazine that said the true death toll from the drug war in Mexico over the last five years is more
than 60,000 people with another 10,000 or so missing and unaccounted for. That led me to believe Mexicans were not all that friendly because they have
overfished the Sea of Cortez and murdered over 60,000 of their own.
So this all started with a fish taco. By the way, I hear they have fantastic fish tacos in Bahia Asuncion. The trick is to stand eating with your
back to the wind so no sand blows into the taco.
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djh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
I forgot to take my meds,
reoccurrence of my somatoform disorders,
I was investigating which Mexican clinic I would go to for $10,000 worth of colonics to remove the heavy mentals in my body
So this all started with a fish taco.
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So.... Basically an honest to goodness, self professed head case....
Colonics to remove heave MENTALS ? Does tha mean you have your head stuck securely up your . . . . Ask a silly question.....
Put down the fish taco and step away from the computer!!!
All in good fun, amigo. If you can laugh at yourself, you're all right!
Happy New Year !
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
Peace, Love, and Music
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