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Baja Bernie
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Do you think the death of a 90 year old would even be noticed in this City?
Please see the attached link an then decide if things are 'really' so bad in towns like San Quintin or any other place in Baja.
No camping or logic here just a video of Detroit...USA
http://www.youtu.be/watch?v=krpVJ4FYGW0&feature=related
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bernie
Please see the attached link an then decide if things are 'really' so bad in towns like San Quintin or any other place in Baja.
No camping or logic here just a video of Detroit...USA
http://www.youtu.be/watch?v=krpVJ4FYGW0&feature=related |
The old man was bound and eviscerated. He died a long and painful death. I hope he could watch a last sunset from Baja as he died.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Sandlefoot
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What was the national origin of the second person that was killed, or because they were not gringo it does not help make the point that the baja is a
dangerous place for gringos? Was it a murder suicide set up to look like another crime happened? Just looking for the facts and motives.
Happy Trails
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Baja Bernie
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Woooosh
I understand the man died an unpleasant death...I believe you missed my point as stated in bold letters in subject heading...So here it is again...
"Do you think the death of a 90 year old would even be noticed in this City?"...Detroit USA
[Edited on 1-9-2012 by Baja Bernie]
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Sandlefoot
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Woooosh
Sorry, My comment was for mengano. I looked at your video and totally agree with you!!!! (should have addressed it to mengano, opps)
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ateo
Haha. Funny response to Mengano. As someone who lives in Oceanside, I better think about moving. What's next - bodies hanging from overpasses? Jk.
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Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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DENNIS
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This point, the geographical setting for gruesome crime, is one that evidently won't go away. That, to me, says very little for the sensitivities of
our group, when the area is more important than the crime itself and when cruel murder has to pass rigid placement evaluations to have it considered
important enough to be recognized as a key element of the report.
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Sandlefoot
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Very well put!!!!
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sanquintinsince73
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That does it, I'm changing my handle to "EastL.A.since 63"!!!
There have always been a couple murders here and there in the "Valle De San Quintin". Often times land disputes end up with gunfire. A former
"Funcionario" friend of ours always showed up armed when tending to disputes between landowners. To this day people still talk of the murders that
took place just north of San Quintin at the Mormon colony known as "Zarambela"(sp).
What I have noticed is a marked increase in drug use in San Quintin, most notably methamphetamine. Sadly, even some people I knew when they were in
diapers use the stuff. I don't know if there is any correlation between the drug use and the rise in crime. Some people say it's the outsiders from
the mainland. I don't know but I am a bit more cautious when "in country".
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Mengano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
where I camp it hasn't ever been dangerous. The same is true for maybe 95% of all other Nomad campers. |
Where are those safe camps, David? Why don't you tell everybody. How about a LAT and LON? What good does it do the BajaNomads to tell them there are
safe camping spots in Baja, and then fail to tell us where they are?
Where's your list?
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Mengano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bernie
"Do you think the death of a 90 year old would even be noticed in this City?"...Detroit USA |
It would not even be noticed on BajaNomads, since the news article was in a local paper in Spanish and not reported in the American press. Had I not
posted it, you would still be ignorant and unaware of the death, wouldn't you?
Do you think the death of a 90 year old in Baja would even be noticed in Iceland? Tahiti? The Kamchatka Peninsula? I'm just pointing out the absurdity
of your statement, Bernie.
...and how many people are sitting around the dinner table now trying to decide whether to visit Detroit or Baja? How many of them are reading
BajaNomads?
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sancho
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I feel safer camping in Baja than in the USA. |
DK, I know you camp for the most part on Shell Isle
so. of San Felipe. Where not a soul knows you
are there. Can you say for certain you
would feel COMFORTABLE camping alone off road, but
where you were VISABLE to passerbys?
I seriously doubt it
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durrelllrobert
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Another source says that there were 2 victims?
The only other news source which has picked up these two stories coming out of San Quintin was El Vigia de Ensenada: Two men found dead in San
Quintin, one of these was a U.S. citizen, 90 years old identified as Wallace James Medeiros who was a native of Hawaii and had lived in the Ejido Juan
Maria Salvatierra of San Quintin (also known as Granjas Salvatierra) for roughly the past ten years. The father of the boy who worked for Medeiros
discovered the body inside of Medeiros home which was bound hand and foot and had been stabbed in the stomach. El Vigia reports that the home of
Medeiros had been ransacked and suggests the intruders might have been looking for something "special". Our take on this was that maybe they were just
looking for money. In addition, the assassins stole the two vehicles owned by Medeiros which were later found burned. No arrests, suspects still at
large.
The other victim was found inside of his living quarters in Benito Garcia. An autopsy is being performed to determine the cause of death in this case.
It is under this article where one Mexican respondent states that there are murderers hiding out in Maneadero, on the run from places like Sinaloa,
Guerrero and Chiapas.
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There may also be more to this because before Wallace James Medeiros moved to Baja he, and 3 others, were convicted of conspiracy; computer and mail
fraud; making, receipt, and transfer of a false obligation of the United States;1 and theft of government funds (in the amount of $9.5 million):
http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/899/899.F2d.1226.36...
[Edited on 1-9-2012 by durrelllrobert]
[Edited on 1-9-2012 by durrelllrobert]
[Edited on 1-9-2012 by BajaNomad]
Bob Durrell
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Eugenio
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bernie
Please see the attached link an then decide if things are 'really' so bad in towns like San Quintin or any other place in Baja.
No camping or logic here just a video of Detroit...USA
http://www.youtu.be/watch?v=krpVJ4FYGW0&feature=related |
"Do you think the death of a 90 year old would even be noticed in this City?"
In answer to your question - yes - I think that the death (under these circumstances) would be noticed in Detroit - or South Central LA, or Los
Mochis, or San Quintin, or Tijuana, or Mexico City. I don't see any difference in the degree of compassion/concern/grieving in either country.
Further I think that people who imply that there is less concern about violence and murder in cities that are not lily white are headed down the path
of racism (or maybe just plain ignorance).
However I think that crimes in general are be more agressively investigated and prosecuted in the US.
With much respect - what say you as an ex Police Baja Bernie? (absolutely no disrespect intended sir.)
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Eugenio
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
This point, the geographical setting for gruesome crime, is one that evidently won't go away. That, to me, says very little for the sensitivities of
our group, when the area is more important than the crime itself and when cruel murder has to pass rigid placement evaluations to have it considered
important enough to be recognized as a key element of the report. |
Well said Dennis - I didn't see your post first time around.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Eugenio
| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bernie
Please see the attached link an then decide if things are 'really' so bad in towns like San Quintin or any other place in Baja.
No camping or logic here just a video of Detroit...USA
http://www.youtu.be/watch?v=krpVJ4FYGW0&feature=related |
"Do you think the death of a 90 year old would even be noticed in this City?"
In answer to your question - yes - I think that the death (under these circumstances) would be noticed in Detroit - or South Central LA, or Los
Mochis, or San Quintin, or Tijuana, or Mexico City. I don't see any difference in the degree of compassion/concern/grieving in either country.
Further I think that people who imply that there is less concern about violence and murder in cities that are not lily white are headed down the path
of racism (or maybe just plain ignorance).
However I think that crimes in general are be more agressively investigated and prosecuted in the US.
With much respect - what say you as an ex Police Baja Bernie? (absolutely no disrespect intended sir.) |
"racism"???? How in the world did THAT word get associated with THIS thread??? Simply amazing!!!!
Barry
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Eugenio
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Cities - or parts of cities - frequently used in crime stats on this board when people want to make a point are frequently cities that are not lily
white - eg Detroit, South Central LA, Barrio Logan, etc. Check it out.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Eugenio
Cities - or parts of cities - frequently used in crime stats on this board when people want to make a point are frequently cities that are not lily
white - eg Detroit, South Central LA, Barrio Logan, etc. Check it out. |
-----"cities, or parts of cities" are geographical facts--------any other associations those sites trigger in your mind are your's, not the author's.
Barry
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Eugenio
Cities - or parts of cities - frequently used in crime stats on this board when people want to make a point are frequently cities that are not lily
white - eg Detroit, South Central LA, Barrio Logan, etc. Check it out. |
Nor is baja.
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Eugenio
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The demograhics of these cities are also facts. Isn't that what racists do? - they make associations without stating their real view?
Look - I thought I softened my original statement enough - but maybe I shouldn't have gone that far. I'm certainly not implying any individual here
is racist - especially Baja Bernie - in fact I would say just the opposite about him. It's just a trend on this board I've noticed that I think needs
to be brought to light - I hope I'm wrong.
Dennis put it more succinctly and probaly better than I.
But this is still a pretty eclectic group - and you never know....so my original post stands.
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