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805gregg
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There is no crime in Mexico, especially Baja, unless you are murdered then it doesn't matter, your dead.
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
News flash: crime can happen anywhere, from the parking lot at Disney's Magic Kingdom to the gritty streets of Buenos Aires. But for the most part, if
you exercise the slightest amount of common sense, you will be able to avoid 99% of all the problems you are likely to encounter.
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Yeah, well, common sense is not that common. |
Perhaps not with you .....or a few others. 99.99% of us that come back from Baja ....are alive and happy to talk about it :-)
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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The Gull
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As long as the Old Road (free road) between Tijuana and Ensenada has potholes - Baja is not safe for tourists.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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bigzaggin
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
News flash: crime can happen anywhere, from the parking lot at Disney's Magic Kingdom to the gritty streets of Buenos Aires. |
"Gritty streets?" A bit off-topic, but BA is the Paris of South America. It has some crime I suppose, but it's hardly the archetype of a
crime-infested 3rd world slum city. Lots of shiny cobblestone streets, leggy brunettes in pricey clothes and some of the best meats in the world.
Very civil place. Your biggest danger is snobby 'tude from waiters and overpriced handbags.
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Ateo
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Baja surf spots are super dangerous!!! Stay away for your safety.
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mcfez
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Every town has gritty streets (back..off the main drag). But thanks for the attempt correction of my thoughts.
| Quote: | Originally posted by bigzaggin
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
News flash: crime can happen anywhere, from the parking lot at Disney's Magic Kingdom to the gritty streets of Buenos Aires. |
"Gritty streets?" A bit off-topic, but BA is the Paris of South America. It has some crime I suppose, but it's hardly the archetype of a
crime-infested 3rd world slum city. Lots of shiny cobblestone streets, leggy brunettes in pricey clothes and some of the best meats in the world.
Very civil place. Your biggest danger is snobby 'tude from waiters and overpriced handbags. |
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bigzaggin
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
News flash: crime can happen anywhere, from the parking lot at Disney's Magic Kingdom to the gritty streets of Buenos Aires. |
"Gritty streets?" A bit off-topic, but BA is the Paris of South America. It has some crime I suppose, but it's hardly the archetype of a
crime-infested 3rd world slum city. Lots of shiny cobblestone streets, leggy brunettes in pricey clothes and some of the best meats in the world.
Very civil place. Your biggest danger is snobby 'tude from waiters and overpriced handbags. |
At the risk of a highjack............
BA at the top of my bucket list. For BA lovers and film buffs checkout "Assignation Tango" with Robert Duvall and Ruben Blades!!!
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bigzaggin
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Well, every parking lot is subject to crime, but you chose to use a Disney lot as your example? Why? I'm guessing because it represents all things
pure & safe. Conversely, you used BA as your opposing example. Why? I'm guessing because you think it dangerous, or exemplary of somewhere
dangerous.
Why am I having this conversation? Jesus am I bored. Does anyone know when the wind's gonna turn offshore? And enough with this rain already.
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woody with a view
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wind wind will turn offshore TOMORROW, TOMORROW!!!
or not!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
Yeah, this rain sucks balls. |
You gettin' rain up there, Frank? I guess it's heading our way. Maybe I still have time to wash my car.
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DENNIS
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I don't have to wash the car. The mere mention of it brought the first wave of lluvia.
I guess I have to switch over to my rainy-day schedule. SALUD
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bigzaggin
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
News flash: crime can happen anywhere, from the parking lot at Disney's Magic Kingdom to the gritty streets of Buenos Aires. |
"Gritty streets?" A bit off-topic, but BA is the Paris of South America. It has some crime I suppose, but it's hardly the archetype of a
crime-infested 3rd world slum city. Lots of shiny cobblestone streets, leggy brunettes in pricey clothes and some of the best meats in the world.
Very civil place. Your biggest danger is snobby 'tude from waiters and overpriced handbags. |
there are many neighborhoods in BA that police won't even enter, neighborhoods controlled by gangs. a real civil place, eh. i think the baddest hood
in paris is much preferable to the average slum in BA.
all cities have their wealthy enclaves that look pretty. all cities have their ghettos too.
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mcfez
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http://www.wesh.com/r/13475958/detail.html
"anyone know when the wind's gonna turn offshore"?
Hopefully it blows your negative thoughts out of here!
No matter where anyone goes...any town...you'll find issues. Dont sum it all up that Baja is 100% horror...as your portrayed. Now....the
weather:...stormy and you are cloudy.
| Quote: | Originally posted by bigzaggin
Well, every parking lot is subject to crime, but you chose to use a Disney lot as your example? Why? I'm guessing because it represents all things
pure & safe. Conversely, you used BA as your opposing example. Why? I'm guessing because you think it dangerous, or exemplary of somewhere
dangerous.
Why am I having this conversation? Jesus am I bored. Does anyone know when the wind's gonna turn offshore? And enough with this rain already.
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[Edited on 1-21-2012 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Mengano
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23 HOMICIDIOS EN 19 DÍAS EN TIJUANA
La cifra oficial de homicidios dolosos en los primeros 19 días del 2012 llega ya a 23 .
http://tijuanapress.com/index.php?option=com_content&vie...
The official number of murders in the first 19 days of 2012 has reached 23 now.
Does anybody happen to know how many murders there were in Tijuana's sister city of San Diego in the first 19 days of 2102?
Anybody?
Anybody?
I hear it said that crime happens everywhere. That is true. The only problem with that statement is that in the real world, where real people make
real decisions based upon the best information they can get, the issue is HOW MUCH crime happens in a particular place.
[Edited on 1-21-2012 by Mengano]
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Mengano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
Here's a question for you, my armchair lover of stats, how many of those killed were dirtbag predators involved in nefarious activities or lifestyles?
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Here's a question for you, body bag man. Why does it matter? Do you go through life making judgmental decisions on the relative worth of human
beings? Are some people's lives worth more than others? When those "dirtbags" were born and cared for by their parents, do you think they wanted them
to grow up to be dirtbags? Are there some mothers out there in Mexico anguishing over the deaths of their "dirtbag" sons?
Are those "dirtbags" dead because they were natural-born "dirtbags"? Or are they dead because they were born into a country and society that placed
little value on human life, a country that has been unable for four centuries to create enough job opportunities for its people to live a dignified
life? Are they dead dirtbags because they live in a country were 60% of the politicians are corrupt?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
a country were 60% of the politicians are corrupt
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Things is lookin' up. 
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bigzaggin
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
Here's a question for you, my armchair lover of stats, how many of those killed were dirtbag predators involved in nefarious activities or lifestyles?
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Here's a question for you, body bag man. Why does it matter? Do you go through life making judgmental decisions on the relative worth of human
beings? Are some people's lives worth more than others? When those "dirtbags" were born and cared for by their parents, do you think they wanted them
to grow up to be dirtbags? Are there some mothers out there in Mexico anguishing over the deaths of their "dirtbag" sons?
Are those "dirtbags" dead because they were natural-born "dirtbags"? Or are they dead because they were born into a country and society that placed
little value on human life, a country that has been unable for four centuries to create enough job opportunities for its people to live a dignified
life? Are they dead dirtbags because they live in a country were 60% of the politicians are corrupt? |
I mean, at some point, Bin Laden loved his mom, so did Kim Jong-il and Stalin. Do you think John Wayne Gacy "wanted" to grow up to be a murderous
pedophile? Point being, yes, all lives are valuable, but most people harbor slightly less sympathy for drug dealers offing one another than kids
killed in a home invasion.
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Cypress
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As safe as any other 3rd. world country ruled by drug cartels.
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Bajahowodd
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When it is posited as being safe for tourists, methinks that one needs to define the word tourist.
Just thinking that so many folks from all over the world can hang in places such as La Paz and Los Cabos, Loreto, and wherever, and never be anything
less than safe.
As a side note, in the past few years, San Jose Del Cabo, in particular, has seen the growth of all-inclusive hotels. Aside from the French and their
groundbreaking all-inclusive Club Med chain, all-inclusives in this hemisphere began in Jamaica where the crime rate was rampant. Despite the awesome
beauty of the island, crime was driving away tourists.
Answer. Tall fences around all-inclusive resorts. That said, there has always been a hard core group of tourists that favor the all-inclusive merely
because they can drink themselves silly.
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
a country were 60% of the politicians are corrupt
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Things is lookin' up. |
DENNIS....you always have a great statement.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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