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EnsenadaDr
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I agree..
As a nurse working in the US in Chula Vista, frequently patients come in that are illegal...we look at them as patients, not criminals and NEVER
report them to the INS...so I see where you are coming from Diane..although strangely enough they and their families are usually the most
demanding.... | Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
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I guess I just never considered any of them "illegal"---they were just students.
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Ohhh...c'mon, Diane. That's like saying, "I never considered these things "deadly"----they're just bullets."
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Dennis-- I believe that behavior and activities can be illegal, but people cannot be illegal. I think it is like labeling children born to single
mothers illegitimate. IMHO, I don't think those labels should be attached to human beings. |
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DENNIS
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IMHO, I don't think those labels should be attached to human beings. |
We need labels in order to communicate, Diane, and your ideas are way too Orwellian for me. "New-Speak" is the premise that if a word doesn't
exist........neither does the concept.
Sorry. This concept of "illegal" is a long way from disappearing.
There are, however, terms which might supplant the moniker, "illegal." Trespasser, invader, and interloper quickly come to mind. Illegal seems the
more gentle of the bunch at this time.
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As long as there is someone else's money to pay for them...!
The money has run out, what are you gonna do... ask the people who don't pay property taxes in your country to pay for your schools to keep teaching
their kids?
It was pure foolishness to let it happen in the first place, and now instead of the people who belong here having good schools for their kids,
California schools have become among the nations worst and NOBODY gets a good education anymore! Nobody... illegal or legal.
All for 'good intentions' and it's one world afterall... BS. If it is one world, then WHY is the U.S. the ONLY country that pays for everyone else
BEFORE making sure their own are provided for???
Wake up America... Mexico won't pay for your illegal activity in Mexico, why should the U.S. pay for Mexican illegal activity in the U.S. ???
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"Martha’s destination, along with dozens of young friends — United States citizens all living in “TJ,” as they affectionately call their city — is a
public high school eight miles away in Chula Vista, Calif., where they were born and where they still claim to live".
Ok, I had to read the article twice to make sure I did not misunderstand the content...If I did miss something, please corrrect me.
These are people who probably will eventually walk our streets LEGALLY one day. The 'illegal' aspect that some here seem stuck on is the money issues
with respect to property taxes and the 'illegal' declaration of residence. Yet the tone seems to be one of 'Illegal' Immigrants permeating the
discourse.
As 'LEGAL CITIZENS', you and I will live with these people being productive citizens (and maybe beholden to the gratitude of what treatment they
received as a child) or non-productive (due to sub-standard provisions in education) in our midsts. What do we want? Lets answer that and then discuss
the consequences of what we would not allow.
The quality of our education system is not dependant upon the quantity of the children. If that is the premise than lets eliminate the ones that don't
show an apptitude of success or out right laziness....oh o, that's mostly the locals.
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EnsenadaDr
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where they were born...
Of course they are going to say that they were born there or risk being thrown out...why would anyone call Chula Vista AFFECTIONATELY their city??
These writers are so far away from the action they need to hang it up...There is no beauty in Chula Vista...the name sounds great...but its so full of
cholos and redneck trailer parks..the beauty has died long ago....it certainly is NOT scenic....i would live in Mexico ANYWHERE than live in Chula
Vista..even TJ..(in Playas of course...!!!) | Quote: | Originally posted by paranewbi
"Martha’s destination, along with dozens of young friends — United States citizens all living in “TJ,” as they affectionately call their city — is a
public high school eight miles away in Chula Vista, Calif., where they were born and where they still claim to live".
Ok, I had to read the article twice to make sure I did not misunderstand the content...If I did miss something, please corrrect me.
These are people who probably will eventually walk our streets LEGALLY one day. The 'illegal' aspect that some here seem stuck on is the money issues
with respect to property taxes and the 'illegal' declaration of residence. Yet the tone seems to be one of 'Illegal' Immigrants permeating the
discourse.
As 'LEGAL CITIZENS', you and I will live with these people being productive citizens (and maybe beholden to the gratitude of what treatment they
received as a child) or non-productive (due to sub-standard provisions in education) in our midsts. What do we want? Lets answer that and then discuss
the consequences of what we would not allow.
The quality of our education system is not dependant upon the quantity of the children. If that is the premise than lets eliminate the ones that don't
show an apptitude of success or out right laziness....oh o, that's mostly the locals. |
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DENNIS
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Chulajuana has a nice harbor.
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With all due respect Ensenada Dr., and that is sincere...For any of us to make suppositions as to truth in content of the authors...especially
qualified by personal perceptions perhaps not shared (blight of chula vista and name calling)...is to disregard the ability to have discourse on the
merits of the subject, i.e., the article itself.
I would ask that you take note of the passport held in the photo (ok possibly doctored (no offense), and the substance of escorting these individuals
through a series of inspections for legal validity to enter our country...or is that not pallatable to you Dr.
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"as a nurse"? are you a doctor as well? or is you experience in CV dated?
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
As a nurse working in the US in Chula Vista, frequently patients come in that are illegal...we look at them as patients, not criminals and NEVER
report them to the INS...so I see where you are coming from Diane..although strangely enough they and their families are usually the most
demanding.... | Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
I guess I just never considered any of them "illegal"---they were just students.
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Ohhh...c'mon, Diane. That's like saying, "I never considered these things "deadly"----they're just bullets."
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Dennis-- I believe that behavior and activities can be illegal, but people cannot be illegal. I think it is like labeling children born to single
mothers illegitimate. IMHO, I don't think those labels should be attached to human beings. |
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OK, I had and have a label for them----students, young people seeking an education. Good for them!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
IMHO, I don't think those labels should be attached to human beings. |
We need labels in order to communicate, Diane, and your ideas are way too Orwellian for me. "New-Speak" is the premise that if a word doesn't
exist........neither does the concept.
Sorry. This concept of "illegal" is a long way from disappearing.
There are, however, terms which might supplant the moniker, "illegal." Trespasser, invader, and interloper quickly come to mind. Illegal seems the
more gentle of the bunch at this time. |
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EnsenadaDr
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Opinions...
Sorry, Dennis did enlighten me...I didn't realize that Chula Vista had a beautiful harbor..as he told me...I just think Mexico has more natural beauty
than some areas of the US....some of the story could be true..then again...it could have been "doctored"...I don't believe everything I hear...and
students could be crossing with Mexican visas not necessarily passports and be attending said schools...I really feel I would need more information to
believe 100% of the story..that's just how I feel, then again no one has to agree with me. | Quote: | Originally posted by paranewbi
With all due respect Ensenada Dr., and that is sincere...For any of us to make suppositions as to truth in content of the authors...especially
qualified by personal perceptions perhaps not shared (blight of chula vista and name calling)...is to disregard the ability to have discourse on the
merits of the subject, i.e., the article itself.
I would ask that you take note of the passport held in the photo (ok possibly doctored (no offense), and the substance of escorting these individuals
through a series of inspections for legal validity to enter our country...or is that not pallatable to you Dr. |
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EnsenadaDr
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I am both...
To add to my CV, (if you look at my Facebook page, it is there) I worked as a Hospital Supervisor in Hawaii as a nurse and have more than 15 years
experience.. | Quote: | Originally posted by norte
"as a nurse"? are you a doctor as well? or is you experience in CV dated?
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
As a nurse working in the US in Chula Vista, frequently patients come in that are illegal...we look at them as patients, not criminals and NEVER
report them to the INS...so I see where you are coming from Diane..although strangely enough they and their families are usually the most
demanding.... | Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
I guess I just never considered any of them "illegal"---they were just students.
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Ohhh...c'mon, Diane. That's like saying, "I never considered these things "deadly"----they're just bullets."
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Dennis-- I believe that behavior and activities can be illegal, but people cannot be illegal. I think it is like labeling children born to single
mothers illegitimate. IMHO, I don't think those labels should be attached to human beings. |
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
then again no one has to agree with me. |
I agree with you. 
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And now a doctor in Ensenada Educated in the US?..Your experience should help a lot here. and Cute, How are we supposed to know your facebook
page.
> | Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
To add to my CV, (if you look at my Facebook page, it is there) I worked as a Hospital Supervisor in Hawaii as a nurse and have more than 15 years
experience.. | Quote: | Originally posted by norte
"as a nurse"? are you a doctor as well? or is you experience in CV dated?
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
As a nurse working in the US in Chula Vista, frequently patients come in that are illegal...we look at them as patients, not criminals and NEVER
report them to the INS...so I see where you are coming from Diane..although strangely enough they and their families are usually the most
demanding.... | Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
I guess I just never considered any of them "illegal"---they were just students.
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Ohhh...c'mon, Diane. That's like saying, "I never considered these things "deadly"----they're just bullets."
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Dennis-- I believe that behavior and activities can be illegal, but people cannot be illegal. I think it is like labeling children born to single
mothers illegitimate. IMHO, I don't think those labels should be attached to human beings. |
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EnsenadaDr
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What are your doubts and what are you having trouble believing? | Quote: | Originally posted by norte
And now a doctor in Ensenada Educated in the US?..Your experience should help a lot here. and Cute, How are we supposed to know your facebook
page.
> | Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
To add to my CV, (if you look at my Facebook page, it is there) I worked as a Hospital Supervisor in Hawaii as a nurse and have more than 15 years
experience.. | Quote: | Originally posted by norte
"as a nurse"? are you a doctor as well? or is you experience in CV dated?
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
As a nurse working in the US in Chula Vista, frequently patients come in that are illegal...we look at them as patients, not criminals and NEVER
report them to the INS...so I see where you are coming from Diane..although strangely enough they and their families are usually the most
demanding.... | Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
I guess I just never considered any of them "illegal"---they were just students.
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Ohhh...c'mon, Diane. That's like saying, "I never considered these things "deadly"----they're just bullets."
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Dennis-- I believe that behavior and activities can be illegal, but people cannot be illegal. I think it is like labeling children born to single
mothers illegitimate. IMHO, I don't think those labels should be attached to human beings. |
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Schools in the states won't even allow students to cross the district line. Why should people from Mexico be allowed to do that?
Everything needs to be paid for. That is the cause of our economy problems today. Too many want everything for nothing.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
What are your doubts and what are you having trouble believing? |
Hey Doc....check your U2U in a minute.
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constitution?
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well, in my opinion, there should be a better way to control this situation since these kids are AMERICAN .... they should be allowed to study in
chula vista somehow. the constitution guarantees every American the right to an education. |
I don't believe the US Constitution guantees any such right.
Education is controlled by the states. Many state constitutions address the issue. But not the US Constitution.
Ron San Felipe Oct, Nov. Feb. Mar. April. remainder in Juneau Ak
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Most school districts in the states will not allow students from another district to attend their schools. Property taxes are the usual source of
school funding in the US and most tax payers do not want to pay any tax let alone property tax to support students from out of district.
Why would you expect tax payers in the border towns to want to pay to support out of district students?
Ron San Felipe Oct, Nov. Feb. Mar. April. remainder in Juneau Ak
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I removed my comment cause it seems it ain't so !! I always believed the constitution guaranteed public education to every American...I learned just
now that it ain't so.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Schools in the states won't even allow students to cross the district line. Why should people from Mexico be allowed to do that?
Everything needs to be paid for. That is the cause of our economy problems today. Too many want everything for nothing.
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actually, our economic problems are a result of a housing bubble burst and melt down of the financial system that held mortgages.
our deficit spending appears large, but is not cause of past/ongoing problem.
deficit looks bad, but will be cut significantly by a few years of moderate inflation.
it is the selfish that are trying to scare you into voting to gut medicare and soc security....
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