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Sorry about hijacking your thread Pompano, you can have it back now 
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These muti-hull boats are catching on all over the globe..
Here are some images of the new China class aircraft carriers coming to a sea near you in the next ten years
Democracy is like two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
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Tijerita
Now that's my kinda boat!
Land my airplane, sail away, dance under the stars.
Park in Pompano's front yard.
...would this modest little craft even fit inside the Bay?
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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Awhile back there was a guy that had a trimaran anchored right off your house for a long time. Forgot his name, but he lived on the boat and he had a
full size piano inside. This was late '70's. He would hold concerts aboard for the locals. Wonder what happened to him, probably still cruising.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Vince
Awhile back there was a guy that had a trimaran anchored right off your house for a long time. Forgot his name, but he lived on the boat and he had a
full size piano inside. This was late '70's. He would hold concerts aboard for the locals. Wonder what happened to him, probably still cruising.
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Vince, sure enough....I remember 'Ralph' (Montana) playing his piano aboard his tri, "Sunshine"..and his first mate, Dawn Wilson. (I think Dawn came
afoul of the rules and regs of prescripton drug possession. Do the crime..and if you don't pay the mordida... do the time.)
Here's an old post I made with more mention of Ralph.
San Fransquito Info Please
"We first set foot there almost 30 years ago when a buddy and I flew a 180 onto the beach. At that time there was not too much around except for a
fishing camp. Around 1978 JWBlack and I drove the washboard in after rummaging around El Arco mine area and met some other explorers camped there.
Many years later we motored my old 'Pompano' up there to visit an old amigo, Ralph, on his tri, 'Sunshine'. (Does anybody but me remember Ralph? He
had a piano onboard his sailboat and was a fixture on the Baja sailing scene for 40 years...last 10 years his 1st mate was Dawn Wilson?) By this time
there was a couple of permanent residences, small store, etc. Also I remember a gemstone worker living there. He cut some fire opals up for me with
his speciality saw. Don't know if he is still there or not?
Around 1976-77 a friend and I were asked by a local panga fisherman's wife to please go look for her long overdue husband. She told us her hubby had
gone north with a few other boats looking for the motherlode of jurel (yellowtail), but now she was afraid for his safety, and our plane could cover
the water quickly.
We were always ready for another adventure and we were airborne immediately and started flying the coastline north..looking for a lost blue panga
with an eye painted on it's bow..named El Tiburon.
We covered the coastline all the way to San Fransquito and there it was..up on the beach with about a dozen others. We set down on the strip and
walked on down the beach to rescue the poor fellow.
Only thing was, he was pretty drunk as where all the other fishermen in the group. We told him he should sober up a little before talking to his wife
on his return to Mulege...as we were going to give her the fuel bill for our flight, about $100 worth of aviation gas at the Serinadad. I think that
sobered him a little!
We didn't give that bill to his senora, of course, but we did let her know what he had been up to with his cronies at San Fransquito.
I'm sure the neighbors heard her lecture when he came back! "
[Edited on 4-27-2005 by Pompano]
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Hmmm??… and even WOW!….those are some pretty high dollar live-aboard choices, guys. 
Hey, I’m game…, BUT…to offset the price tag on that righteous Russian rig …I just went out and bought a ticket for the world's biggest lottery - 1
billion dollars. $1,000,000,000.
The phone will ring any second now...then we can go pinto-fishing in that sea-going Ruskie palace, okay Vince?
You bring the vodka, I’ll call Tasha and Nikita.
BACK TO THE MAIN POINT OF THIS THREAD:
Ahem...However, I’m gonna have to forget La-la Land, and get back to reality.
I'm thinking of an affordable, live-aboard cruising boat that is slightly smaller, within the budget, and cheaper to operate than those floating
resorts shown above.
First, I can draw one conclusion: leaving for a sabbatical year (at least!) really is worth it.
LEAVING: “WHAT IF ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS DARE?”
We all dream about it: leaving our reassuring, but so predictable daily routine behind, to sail to the other side of the ocean, to see if ‘lagoon
blue’ is a real colour, to discover the wonderful islands lined with coconut trees, to take advantage of the time left with a loved one… To live and
sail with no other constraints but the ones we fix for ourselves.
More and more men and women are making the dream real, by leaving for a year or more, to sail around the Mediterranean, the Atlantic, or even the
world. This is a dream which is not just for millionaires or experienced sailors.
A sabbatical year aboard a catamaran – in the end, perhaps you just have to have the courage?....or…nothing to lose.
Potential long distance cruisers are all different and have had various careers. The one thing they have in common is their desire to set off as a
couple (or even alone) to live differently.
Once the budget has been defined and some destination or lifestyle set, everything must be planned so
that things work out for the best. How do you prepare to leave forever? Is your Co-pilot agreeable? Do you HAVE a Co-pilot??
You must also perfect your training, so that all members of the crew are capable of steering the boat and picking up a ‘man overboard’. There are
courses organized on multihulls, for a reasonable price, which allow all those aboard to learn the minimum skills required to cope with the
unexpected. It is essential to have a good first-aid kit aboard, and having attended a first-aid course is a real plus.
And then, if your route takes you to remote places, you must be able to repair easily anything which can break down and spoil your cruise: a diesel
mechanic’s course is a good idea…and in the case of a million-to-one shot, maybe a quick course on delivering a baby?
THE CHOICE OF THE (RIGHT) BOAT
My choice of hull and power?
Multi-hull motor and/or sail for sure.... and preferably a newer designed catamaran, rather than the older, but
still good trimarans. For many reasons, which I would be glad to discuss.
Yup, to leave, you must have a boat.
Choosing a multihull seems to me to be the solution… Stable, comfortable, faster than an equivalent monohull, offering privacy for each
member of the crew/family, easy to manuever; the catamaran is THE ideal solution for a sabbatical year as a family. The proof is that I know monohull
fanatics who have gone over to multihulls, but the opposite is much, much rarer. Maybe you have, too?
When you have tasted the delights of the catamaran, it is difficult to return to a boat which is narrow, which leans, and whose draught bars you
from the best anchorages.…
But within the multihull family, the choice is huge: although the trimaran is not ideal for a long-distance cruise as a family, the catamaran market
offers an abundance of choice. New or second-hand; production cat or one-off; in ply, sandwich or aluminium; fast or faster; accepting a greater or
lesser load: there is something for all tastes and all budgets (from 25,000 to 3 million…but forget that 3 mil, I’m sticking to my budget of ‘cheap’).
It is therefore above all a question of personal choices.
Nowadays, the majority of cruisers opt for a production boat, equipped more or less for ‘ocean cruising’. They are easily found on the market and can
be resold easily after the voyage, as long as the boat is in good condition and the price asked is coherent. This part of the preparation requires the
most work, as during the cruise the boat chosen will become your home. It must therefore meet the wishes and needs of the family -
sufficient number of cabins, ability to carry the necessary load - as well as the crew’s nautical skills.
There is nothing worse than having to put up with a heavy boat if you and your first mate or family are sport catamaran racing enthusiasts. Whilst in
the opposite case, constantly having to maneuver, adjust the dagger-boards and play with the spinnaker sheets can quickly become boring for some…The
choice will therefore largely depend on your crew and the program. This must be defined carefully so as not to make a mistake and spoil your dream!
You will need to love each other’s faults.
Destinations?
For those who want to travel for at least three years, there is the mythical round-the-world trip via the trade winds. A beautiful adventure, made up
of ocean passages, wild, remote anchorages, unique encounters and destinations…but also very difficult to envisage crossing the Atlantic aboard an
8-metre catamaran. Why impose an Atlantic crossing on your wife who suffers chronic sea-sickness, or is terrified once the land disappears over the
horizon?
It would be best to have a good trip round the West Indies, where everyone would be happy, rather than imposing a schedule that your crew can not
follow…
Over the years here in Baja Sur, I have spoken to many cruisers anchored in front of my beach home for weeks at a time…who took the step from
part-timers to full-timers. They are unanimous, even those who experienced lots of problems, that this change in their lives was EXTRAORDINARY.
A special time of serenity, a feeling of living life to the full, and especially, a plus which for most of them allowed them to begin a new life, much
fuller and richer than the one they had before they left. In my case, I am blessed already with a full lifetime of Baja events & memories, but I
am a Sagi...doomed to wander.. and time is fleeting to see what’s over those far horizons …
A bit of courage and take the plunge: it seems that the only step that counts is the first one!
So, that’s agreed, then! Co-pilots?…pack some bikinis and lots of sunblock. We leave this shore soon!
Again…Why multi-hulls?
I learned from experience over the last 4 decades of boating on the Cortez. On board my own mono-hulls and making comparisons to mi amigos in their
various mono and multi-hulls.
Here's some examples: These boats below all belonged to a good friend, John, who moved in succession from:
57’ Constellation Express cruiser trawler/mono-hull mostly kept in a San Diego marina as a home. I stayed on it a few times, much better than a
motel...nice for me, but John said it was way, way too much work after it's novelty wore off. Being an avid aviator who loved the 'wind in your face
kind of freedom', he was not thrilled with this style of boat.
..to a custom 36' Trimaran (Meshack) John’s own design. A better sense of freedom…for the lure of the Sea of Cortez and it’s magical places. I had a
ball as a guest/crew for some voyages in the BOLA to Loreto areas. Sleeping in the netting between the amas is really exciting when the
porpoise swim beneath you…and romantic when the moon comes out.
Below: Dad (blue cap) was visiting and joins us for an afternoon sail around Conception Bay...renewing his love of water & boats. Later, John
gave him the helm and his expression said it all. He kept a cutter on windy Lake Superior for many years.
John's last multi-hull was the best…a French-built catamaran. A truly top notch cat.... John skippered her in a few races here and there.
We sailed on the 44ft cat called "Bright Wing" to some gorgeous bays and anchorages along the Baja Coast of the Cortez. Those trips were what
convinced me of the plus side of multi-hulls..and cats in particular.
Here she rests in the La Paz marina.
Here are further examples of sailing ‘cats’
I like this one below…A Leopard 44’.
Upper deck - flybridge
Lower deck – salon, staterooms, galley
Power cat…no sails.
This is a very viable choice, too. Proven economy, no rags!
Ahh...BOATS…sigh..
What would we do without them?
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I always remember when we was sailing, lifting the sails and getting every thing trim, and then turning the engine off
It was always a magical moment to me
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We sailed from San Diego to La Paz in 2010. We crewed on our friends 44' monohull cutter. The winds were 20-30 dead astern, and we were rolling pretty
good, making about 5.5 knots. We were passed, and then circled by a 50' cat, who told us he was hitting 20 knots WHILE HE WAS BAKING A CAKE!! We
couldn't walk, we had to crawl through the boat to avoid getting tossed from one side to the other on the rolls.
Up until that very moment, I was a total traditionalist.
I would go for a catamarran if I could afford it, but I can get a good glass over ply tri and have it outfitted and ready to go for well under
$45,000. Those French 40-45' cats are 10x that price. Of course, they have a lot of volume and modern amenities, but unless you buy a cat with dagger
boards, the tri will beat you to the bar.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Islandbuilder
We sailed from San Diego to La Paz in 2010. We crewed on our friends 44' monohull cutter. The winds were 20-30 dead astern, and we were rolling pretty
good, making about 5.5 knots. We were passed, and then circled by a 50' cat, who told us he was hitting 20 knots WHILE HE WAS BAKING A CAKE!! We
couldn't walk, we had to crawl through the boat to avoid getting tossed from one side to the other on the rolls.
Up until that very moment, I was a total traditionalist.
I would go for a catamarran if I could afford it, but I can get a good glass over ply tri and have it outfitted and ready to go for well under
$45,000. Those French 40-45' cats are 10x that price. Of course, they have a lot of volume and modern amenities, but unless you buy a cat with dagger
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Hola Islandbuilder,
For sure, monos can only compete with multihulls when sailing direct to weather. I have made up my mind to never buy another monohull sailboat. Cats
have captured my heart.
Some trimarans did that a while back, too:
My amigo, John (see the above photos) was the creator/owner of Corsair Marine in Chula Vista, Ca. and built the most popular trailerable trimarans in
the world...in partnership with sailboat designer Ian Farrier. While raiding his home fridge, I visited the factory with John many times in the 80's
and early 90's. He shipped those trailerables worldwide.
Sadly, John passed from the scene in 2005 while flying his homebuilt ultralite plane near his home. RIP. Damn, I find myself saying goodbye to
friends too many times, lately..
I once took my old 28' diesel FB (Pompano) from Coyote to BOLA at John's request to film a race of trimarans. That was a blast!..and I had a hard
time keeping up with those rocketships! The original F-27' and larger F-series are FAST and have won many, many races.
All the Farrier/Corsair tris are very highly developed and very easy to sail. A tri such as the 28 foot middle of the road Farrier is as quick as any
monomaran to tack, very light and fast with the ability to be towed by a regular landcruiser wagon or similar and ideal for thin water as they only
need about a foot of water or less. They have a lot more space than a similar trailerable monohull both on top and below.
Over 35' there is no advantage in a trimaran compared to a catamaran - in fact the catamaran will have a greater usable internal area in and between
the hulls than a tri of say fourty foot.
By this size the handling with two hulls is probably as good if not better than a tri. In the smaller sizes the cats can be hard to tack, even very
hard in difficult conditions. The smaller tris will tend to be very good value for money, and can often be easily home built with a little effort.
I have sailed a F-27 with John years ago from BOLA to Coyote. The comfort..and speed...was truly unbelievable for a small tri.
But, naturally I need a larger boat if it is going to be a HOME on the water...and all things considered, not the least of which is my age, I lean
towards the larger liveaboards...and that means a cat..two hulls. As far as price goes, you get what you pay for, as in any purchase. When one
considers the price of a 'home'..why short yourself? Also, this is a luxury item and the price is highly negotiable. When faced with 50% mark-up
prices, you have a lot of haggling room. During my life, I've purchased many RV's, cars, pickups, boats, condos and homes, etc, etc..and never paid
any attention to the 'sticker' or listed prices.
In addition, to save a ton of money, buy Used...but 'used' in Bristol condition only.
There are dozens upon dozens of used 40ft+ bristol cats (homes) for sale today around the world..'asking' from $75,000 to $250,000. Right now it's a
very strong Buyer's Market worldwide. Best offers win the day with the majority. How much money to spend? Again, how much would you pay for a
luxury home where you can change your view of paradise as often as you like? Priceless comes to mind, but being a bargainer at heart, I control my
spending and get that purchase price down as much as I can
http://www.yachtworld.com/catamarangroup/catamarangroup_1.ht...
Using a boat broker is taking the fun out of it for me, but perhaps this is the best way to shop and buy a boat in this class. No work, no worry,
access to the world market, best deals, everything checked from bow to stern, escrow accounts, taxes, paperwork, insurance, title transfer, etc..all
handled for you....for a fee which is well worth your time and trouble.
Note: Now that I have narrowed my field down to multi-hulls..and even further narrowed it to CATS...I am considering whether to go with a Sailing
Cat...or a Power Cat. ???????
Hmmm....what say you all? Any notions?
Ah...boat buying...and selling. The Best of Times!
[Edited on 1-27-2012 by Pompano]
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You can motor a sailing cat (slowly of course) but you can't sail a power cat. I guess the question would be how fast do you need to get from point A
to B and how much do you want to spend on fuel......but then you already know this.
I'd rather have a power cat and not have to mess with the sailing thing, just set the AP and go, plus you don't have to worry about hitting the
bridge with the mast.
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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A boat is like a horse...it is meant to get from point A to B to go fishing.
The harder I work, the luckier I get
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Most of the modern sailing cats, especially those designed and built for the charter fleets, power well, some claim cruising speeds, under power, of
over 10 knots. Combine that with a stated fuel economy of more than 2 MPG and you beat virtually anything else on the water.
One disadvantage for a tri is that they typically are wider than a similar length cat, and have a single engine. A cat, with widely spaced twin
engines will handle like a zero-turn lawn mower in a marina, the tri might be more like a tractor towing a hay wagon.
I agree, once you're over 40' the cat (especially a charter rig) will have a ton more interior space than a tri. Check out the Lagoon 41 (or is it a
40?). It has a large, covered c-ckpit, a flybridge that seats 5 or 6, and another open c-ckpit forward of the bridge deck cabin. The owners version
has 3 double staterooms, all en-suite, a huge well lighted and ventilated saloon (traditional spelling, I though you might appreciate that), and a
pass-through from the galley to the main c-ckpit dining area.
I also agree about dealing direct with owners, I hate having to argue with a broker who is looking only at his pecentage yield from a higher
hypothetical sale, than from representing his client's best interests by presenting all offers. (I know that most brokers do the right thing, but
there's really no way to know how your offer is being pitched unless you're there, or are doing it yourself).
Enjoy the process, Pompano. I know I'll enjoy it right along with you!
[Edited on 1-27-2012 by Islandbuilder]
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Pompano, Do it!!!
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A guy really needs about six boats to cover all the bases. I've been trying for years to explain this to my wife. What does it mean when she rolls
her eyes?
Were it not for the abdomen, man would easily reckon himself a god.
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OK on Ralph and his piano,Roger, I wasn't just dreaming. In April Pat and I are heading to Tortola, British Virgin Islands, with 3 other couples to
rent a 47 foot sail catamaran. We did it 2 years ago in the Bahamas and really loved it, so the same group said lets do it again. Some of the group
wanted to do a power cat, but we love sailing too much to switch, especially in those waters. We talked them out of it. They are really nice machines
and each couple has a private stateroom. You don't need one that big, but might have to learn to play the piano to entertain the folks on Coyote
beach. By the way, my brother, Mike, and I are headed down to Coyote Bay around Feb.19.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Vince
OK on Ralph and his piano,Roger, I wasn't just dreaming. In April Pat and I are heading to Tortola, British Virgin Islands, with 3 other couples to
rent a 47 foot sail catamaran. We did it 2 years ago in the Bahamas and really loved it, so the same group said lets do it again. Some of the group
wanted to do a power cat, but we love sailing too much to switch, especially in those waters. We talked them out of it. They are really nice machines
and each couple has a private stateroom. You don't need one that big, but might have to learn to play the piano to entertain the folks on Coyote
beach. By the way, my brother, Mike, and I are headed down to Coyote Bay around Feb.19. |
Wow, Vince, what a great sounding trip---------I am envious!!
It's been so many years since I have seen Mike------please give him my best.
Barry
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Hola,pompano, ask any cat owner,,its the way to go !!power or sail.......K&T
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personally I would go with the sailing cat, nothing in the world beats being out on the open ocean sailing and only hearing the lapping of the water
on the hull, and not listening to the constant roar of the diesel
just fine one with a descent size engine with good size tank
you will be able to do about anything that you would want
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Spearo
A guy really needs about six boats to cover all the bases. I've been trying for years to explain this to my wife. What does it mean when she rolls
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It means she's on to you.
Next thing you'll be telling her that you need 6 female companions to 'cover all the bases'.
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