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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
"The town of San Felipe is a dump and that is the reason that tourism is way down."
The town is not a dump, it is no different than most towns that size in Baja. |
everybody has an opinion! my opinion is that the town is a bit dumpy, and the beaches are not very enticing (mudflats don't do much for me). much
better beaches and town on pac side or further south in baja!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oddjob
You may be broke, but most folks aren't. To say that San Felipe is no different than most towns that size in Baja shows that you spend very little
time there. |
Yah... only go there 2-4 times a year since 1965... what do I know!?
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Oddjob
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You know everything David KIA.
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David K
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Not possible... but thanks for the compliment
I try to share facts about Baja... and calling San Felipe a dump is not very factual or fair when the place is so hard hit by the lack of tourism.
I have a TOYOTA, not a KIA...
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desertcpl
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
Last week we had our septic tank pumped out.
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...and where does the truck driver dump his tank? |
this has been an on going problem for years in SF, it has been reported many times before,
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Water quality standards for declaring a health risk:
Mexico: 200 enterococci per 100 milliliters (1)
San Diego: 104 enterococci per 100 milliliters (single sample), with a 30 day mean no greater than 35 enterococci per 100 milliliters (2)
San Diego is following latest EPA recommendations. (3)
So it looks like Mexican waters can be polluted by US standards but still be considered safe by Mexican standards.
(1) http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2011/07/22/sociedad/043n1soc - 4th paragraph
(2) http://www.swrcb.ca.gov/rwqcb9/water_issues/programs/tmdls/d...
(3) https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2011/12/21/2011-326...
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sancho
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I've always been warey of SF water in front of town, I think
if you go no. or so. of town it is much better. I
kayak in front of SF , but do not get in the sea. There have
been published reports on water quality re: several
Mex towns, which generally show acceptable quality,
however I assume you can find high levels fo contamination
off the beach in many/all towns of any size
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Many folks are watching their bucks......much of their personal budgetary cuts have been on vacations, eating out...and such. San Felipe tourism has
been hard hit due to these facts. Yes...some shops have closed.....same as Sacramento Ca or Anytown USA.
Many folks goes to San Felipe due to it's lack of violence. See the map below.
http://tinyurl.com/4jerr7u
Drugs war murders mapped: every dot represents a town where a drugs war murder has taken place. The large red markers show places with over 70 deaths.
Click on each dot to get the details - with captions for the worst places. You can go to the full screen version
Septic systems with leeching systems are ample throughout Baja....Mexico mainland....and a host of other worldwide locations. Let's take the
communities of Santa Cruz Ca.....up in the upper mountain areas. Most farms, ranches and homes... are on septic with leeching fields.....fact
is....the creeks there are polluted way worst that any beach in Baja. I know....my brother lived there for years.
San Felipe has issues like any other town...full of great folks....great outdoors sports to do....cozy and safe.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Oddjob
You may be broke, but most folks aren't. To say that San Felipe is no different than most towns that size in Baja shows that you spend very little
time there. |
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Remember the old saying 'the solution to pollution is dilution' - it's pretty much true. While San Felipe may get some extreme tides, it really does
not get much flushing - the Colorado River input isn't what it used to be. 
I'd really like to see some bacteria monitoring results from along the coast from TJ down to Ensenada, but I don't think it would help that already
suffering 'tourist corridor'. Other than the international treatment plant at the border (financed by the US), is there any infrastructure along that
highly populated coast? I imagine Ensenada must have some treatment plants - does anyone know where the outfall is?
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ElCap
Remember the old saying 'the solution to pollution is dilution' - it's pretty much true. While San Felipe may get some extreme tides, it really does
not get much flushing - the Colorado River input isn't what it used to be.
I'd really like to see some bacteria monitoring results from along the coast from TJ down to Ensenada, but I don't think it would help that already
suffering 'tourist corridor'. Other than the international treatment plant at the border (financed by the US), is there any infrastructure along that
highly populated coast? I imagine Ensenada must have some treatment plants - does anyone know where the outfall is? |
BN bajadoc this map of Ensenada sewage treatment facilities on his web site:
bajadock.wordpress.com / ... / bay - sewage - tre ...
Bob Durrell
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second. Only 40.2% of Mexico’s wastewater is treated before being dumped.
A COFEPRIS report on Mexican beaches for 2010 shows that of the 21 Baja California beaches tested, 17 exceeded the US standard during at least one
test in 2010. All of the beaches tested in Tijuana, Rosarito and San Felipe failed at least once during 2010. One beach in San Felipe, showed a
whopping 631 enterococcus per 100 milliliters, 18 times US federal clean water standards.
There is a continuing problem with raw sewage water flowing into the ocean in San Felipe. Authorities suspect that septic cleaning services which pump
out septic tanks are clandestinely dumping the wastewater into the arroyos, which flow into the ocean. The Comisión Estatal de Servicios Públicos de
Mexicali (CESPM), which operates San Felipe's sewage treatment plant, reports they only receive 30 tanker truck loads of effluent per day, which is
far less than the amount of sewage generated in San Felipe.
[Edited on 3-1-2012 by desertcpl]
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So, the sewage treatment plant in SF is only set up to accept pump out from septics? Are there no municipal lines in SF?
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The numbers make the difference
That is an important point... what defines "contamination" ..
As for Dana Point.. it is down stream from the water treatment plant which can not handle the load ... Saddleback Valley has gotten a bit larger than
what it was 40 years ago .. much like SF
Liked Dana Point back when ya could only get down to the beach with the one road ... and there was NO harbor ... just saying
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Oddjob
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Not possible... but thanks for the compliment
I try to share facts about Baja... and calling San Felipe a dump is not very factual or fair when the place is so hard hit by the lack of tourism.
I have a TOYOTA, not a KIA... |
Just because San Felipe has been hit hard by the lack of tourism is no reason to sugarcoat the place. Tourism has been effected in Mexico by more than
economics and the threat of violence. It is no longer a bargain to travel in Baja. The prices for groceries, lodging, restaurants and other needs are
often as high or higher than in the US. Adding in the police corruption, scamming and the rampant theft occurring on all levels plays a big part in
the downturn.
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Is playa bonita the beach right in front of Kiki's?
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I was trying to study this angle also, because California and Mexican standards are so different. However, SFandH hit
the nail right on the head!
Thanks, buddy!
Udo
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desertcpl
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does brown trout come to mind
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A little contamination is good for ya!!!
I'll never forget surfing at Baja Malibu after a big rain. Logs in the lineup.
As long as you wash the brown water down with a shot of Jimador, all will be well.
JK!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ElCap
I'd really like to see some bacteria monitoring results from along the coast from TJ down to Ensenada, but I don't think it would help that already
suffering 'tourist corridor'. Other than the international treatment plant at the border (financed by the US), is there any infrastructure along that
highly populated coast? I imagine Ensenada must have some treatment plants - does anyone know where the outfall is? |
I do know the tourist beach in Rosarito is regularly tested and the results published in a beach certification program "Playas Limpias":
Link to the PLAYAS LIMPIAS program PDF File which has the info and results for all Baja.
http://www.revistatlaloc.mx/articulos%20edi%2047/art_01_edi4...
[Edited on 3-2-2012 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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