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mtgoat666
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we don't need to drill, it's just that we are too lazy to conserve
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that sucks! oh well, at least you had the privilege of enjoying it before it lost its soul forever....
DK, shouldn't you be spouting off about progress and how the people of Baja will benefit? |
Personally, I like bad roads... as it filters out any bad people! As for the road work to this mine, it was coming.... just like the paving of Mex. 1
and now Mex. 5... Some of us don't like it, but that is just progress.
Barite is used to drill for oil... and as Bajaboy said above, we need to "drill baby drill"... as long as we want to prosper on this planet!
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dk: the aztecs, incas, greeeks, romans, egyptians, chinese, and many, many cultures and empires and civilizations prospered without petroleum fuels
-- so your statement that we need to drill for oil to prosper is ridiculous! eh? just saying.... if all the oil disappeared tomorrow, people would
still prosper. we don't need to drill, it's just that we are too lazy to conserve
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David K
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Goat, if you want to go back 2000 years to live as a Greek, I will understand completely!
Durrelllrobert and Vgabndo... La Olvidada is a barite (baryte) mine, not a barium mine.
From Wikipedia (see entire article above): "Although baryte contains a "heavy" metal (barium), it is not considered to be a toxic chemical by most
governments because of its extreme insolubility."
Also: "Historically baryte was used for the production of barium hydroxide for sugar refining, and as a white pigment for textiles, paper, and paint."
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The photos so tell the story .... it does astound me that some folks get fined for removing a cactus from the desert to replant in their garden or
furthermore have to replant every single plant before they can build on a property (Loreto people told me this) while other companies go in a ravage
the desert and it is tolerated ... no comprendo la machina, as the Joaquin loves to say !
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David K
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Blanca, one could cry when they built Hwy. 1 through the desert in 1973... I would say about 200 meters wide was bulldozed clear of cardons, boojums
(cirios), and everyting else to build up the base for the Transpeninsular Highway... The old main road it replaced went between the giant cactus...
but from El Rosario to San Ignacio in the heavily vegetation of cactus, all was clear-cut. Nearly 40 years later, I don't think there is any new
growth that you can see coming up ... not yet.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Durrelllrobert and Vgabndo... La Olvidada is a barite (baryte) mine, not a barium mine.
From Wikipedia (see entire article above): "Although baryte contains a "heavy" metal (barium), it is not considered to be a toxic chemical by most
governments because of its extreme insolubility."
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Seems to me they are pretty much the same.
"Baryte, or barite, (BaSO4) is a mineral consisting of barium sulfate.[2] The baryte group consists of baryte, celestine, anglesite and anhydrite.
Baryte itself is generally white or colorless, and is the main source of barium. Baryte and celestine form a solid solution (Ba,Sr)SO"
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\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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Barry A.
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I love mines, and the activity around them----------they fascinate me!!! Always have. But then windmills on the horizon don't bother me either----I
think they are beautiful if they are running. 
Different strokes for different folks.
I guess this makes me a quasi-greenie capitolist abuser of sorts, or something like that. 
But, I do feel badly for those that this type of activity upsets, and understand their concerns. 
Progress can be rough---------
Barry
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Lou, barite (baryte) which is what the mine produces is not hazardous. From it can be extracted barium... but barium does not exist by-itself in
nature, or at least in Baja at La Olvidada. There is already enough hysteria on this web site without adding that trucks are polluting the desert with
barium (which is what some will claim after reading parts of this thread).
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I've only heard on one guy lately who DIDN'T use gas or an oil product to get to Baja to have their fun, or get to the market or get the kids to
school or get the fish to the packing plant----or------ seems like we need to continue to drill. I'm all for saving the environment, but we have to
sacrafice some of it to make life livable. The good old days had Horse pucky in the streets, and we were killing whales to get light at night.
I yam what I yam and that\'s all what I yam.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by watizname
I've only heard on one guy lately who DIDN'T use gas or an oil product to get to Baja to have their fun, or get to the market or get the kids to
school or get the fish to the packing plant----or------ seems like we need to continue to drill. I'm all for saving the environment, but we have to
sacrafice some of it to make life livable. The good old days had Horse pucky in the streets, and we were killing whales to get light at night.
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Increase supply or decrease demand.....putting up oil platforms off the coast of Oceanside is not an option in my opinion
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Increase supply or decrease demand.....putting up oil platforms off the coast of Oceanside is not an option in my opinion
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"Platforms" have been off the coast of Santa Barbara for eons----------I hardly notice them.
Barry
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
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Increase supply or decrease demand.....putting up oil platforms off the coast of Oceanside is not an option in my opinion
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"Platforms" have been off the coast of Santa Barbara for eons----------I hardly notice them.
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that's because you live 500 miles away in Redding, duh!
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Oil rigs make fantastic fish havens. Some of the best fishing in the Gulf of Mexico takes place around off-shore oil rigs.
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If it can't be GROWN it has to be MINED.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
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Increase supply or decrease demand.....putting up oil platforms off the coast of Oceanside is not an option in my opinion
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"Platforms" have been off the coast of Santa Barbara for eons----------I hardly notice them.
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that's because you live 500 miles away in Redding, duh! |
But I "see" thru Dennis Miller's eyes.
Bary
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I've only heard on one guy lately who DIDN'T use gas or an oil product to get to Baja to have their fun, or get to the market or get the kids to
school or get the fish to the packing plant----or------ seems like we need to continue to drill. I'm all for saving the environment, but we have to
sacrafice some of it to make life livable. The good old days had Horse pucky in the streets, and we were killing whales to get light at night.
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Increase supply or decrease demand.....putting up oil platforms off the coast of Oceanside is not an option in my opinion
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Why isn't it an option? We need the oil and if the oil is there on our territory...
that would be the greatest thing for everyone... if that is where the oil is!
But, we already know where the oil is, and it is on land... land closed by Obama!
Why? Well, maybe:
a) force the price of oil to go up (what he has publically stated he wants to happen)... he needs to force people to buy his GM electric cars... and
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Uh DK, just to let you know...there is oil off the coast of California. In case you don't remember, there was also a major oil spill in 1969 that
caused major havoc with the migrating (to Baja) gray whales and their calving babies.
Again turn off the Faux News and you might learn something You can begin
here:
http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~jeff/sb_69oilspill/69oilspill_arti...
Oh wait, this comes from a University which is probably a voice box of the elitist liberal left.....
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David K
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1969... a lot has been learned and improved since then... shallow water drilling is easy... Gray whales are in greater numbers than ever.
Where the oil companies are forced to go now into deep water is where problems can happen as in the Gulf of Mexico.
What is 'Faux' News? 
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It's a no-brainer. If you don't drill for oil , you won't find oil. The operative term, in case you missed it, is "no-brainer". When you run out of gas, thank a liberal.
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It's like they live is some kind of fantasy land where more people on food stamps is better than more people who don't need them! Just okay the pipe
line from Canada and BOOM, thousands of new jobs and a direct supply of what we need. Seriously, liberalism IS a mental disorder!
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Just okay the pipe line from Canada and BOOM, thousands of new jobs and a direct supply of what we need. Seriously, liberalism IS a mental
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Currently Canada sells 98% of its exported oil to the United States. The existing pipelines from Canada terminate in the midwest of the United States.
The Canadian government has stated that the objective of extending the pipeline to the Gulf of Mexico is to diversify their customer base. As part of
the Keystone project they have already lined up foreign (non-US) customers for their oil.
The Chinese are investing heavily in the development of the oil sands in Alberta.
The proposed underground Keystone XL pipeline was to go over the Ogallala Aquifer.
The Ogallala Aquifer supplies ~30% of the United States total irrigation water and ~82% of the drinking water for the >2.3 million people (1990
Census) who live within the aquifer boundary.[5] The region accounts for 19 percent of wheat, 19 percent of cotton, 15 percent of corn, 3 percent of
sorghum, and 18 percent of cattle production in the U.S.
Suggest you study the issues before you form an opinion, especially opinions like millions of Americans are mentally ill.
You have just insulted a large part of the population.
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David K
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I did study, and my research has found that transporting oil by pipeline is the safest method by far... beats tanker trucks and tanker ships by a long
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