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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LaPazGringo
| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by lenchoWhat happened to all the U.S. gangsters after the repeal of Prohibition? |
Some ended up dead, others in Alcatraz. To throw our hands up and say that these traficantes have won and we're all future victims is absurd.
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So what do you think would happen if the drug profits dissapeared for one reason or another? |
I mean this in the friendliest sort of way but can't seem to find any other way to put it: that's an absolutely absurd "what if?" Not interested...
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OK. I was just asking for your thoughts on the topic at hand, my bad, never mind. I wasn't challenging your reply above
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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LaPazGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
| Quote: | Originally posted by LaPazGringo
| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
| Quote: | Originally posted by LaPazGringo
| Quote: | | Originally posted by lenchoWhat happened to all the U.S. gangsters after the repeal of Prohibition? |
Some ended up dead, others in Alcatraz. To throw our hands up and say that these traficantes have won and we're all future victims is absurd.
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So what do you think would happen if the drug profits dissapeared for one reason or another? |
I mean this in the friendliest sort of way but can't seem to find any other way to put it: that's an absolutely absurd "what if?" Not interested...
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OK. I was just asking for your thoughts on the topic at hand, my bad, never mind. I wasn't challenging your reply above
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No apology required.  I didn't mean to sound like an a$s but I guess I
did.
[Edited on 3-28-2012 by LaPazGringo]
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bajajazz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
When they legalize drugs what do you think the sicarios are going to do, stripe a burro to take tourist photos on the beach? |
Important point. Are we totally screwed?
What happened to all the U.S. gangsters after the repeal of Prohibition? |
Relationships between organized crime in the USA and the government started in the Coolidge administration and have been with us ever since. Criminal
goon squads were commonly hired as strikebreakers and the head guys were rewarded (in the case of the Ford Company) with car dealerships. I know of
at least one that is in the hands of the same "family" to this day.
Prohibition put enormous wealth into the hands of people like Joe Kennedy Sr. who, after the repeal of Prohibition, was able to clean himself up
enough to become Ambassador to Britain and later, use his wealth to put one of his sons (JFK) into the White House.
In the 'Thirties, criminal gambling interests were able to virtually take over the government of Cuba and remain in power there until the Castro
revolution. It's sadly ironic that these same gambling interests may've been involved in the assassination of JFK because they blamed him for not
supporting the CIA's nonsensical Bay of Pigs operation with sufficient fervor.
Organized crime also infiltrated and took over leadership of powerful labor unions, particularly on the east coast. To this day, the building trades
in NYC are dirty. During WWII, deals were cut between the federal government and organized crime to avoid strikes that would hinder the war effort,
in return for turning a blind eye to criminal involvement. This was also (and may still be) true of the Teamster's Union, whose pension fund was used
by the Mafia to create Las Vegas, a gambling mecca the purpose of which was to compensate for the loss of revenue from the casinos in Cuba that were
appropriated when Castro came to power.
When Prohibition was repealed the gangsters didn't just go into a quiet retirement and enjoy their wealth. They used it to become semi-respectable in
order to acquire power within the system. The enormous wealth organized crime had accumulated over the life of Prohibition translated itself into
power that in effect became a fourth branch of government, an entity able to buy politicians, judges and police at all levels, a government that
operates in the shadows but is still with us to this day.
It will be no different in Mexico. Already, we see enormous real estate projects springing up out of the ground that make no economic sense at all,
particularly during the worst recession the world has experienced since the Great Depression of the 'Thirties. Is the development phenomenon a
product of drug money looking for a place to go?
The guys who know ain't talkin' but we do have history as a guide.
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vgabndo
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Cypress, I may have underestimated your original intent to blow things out of proportion. Relative to the direction that Progressives are taking the
nation I would say that direction is OUT of two un-budgeted wars, INTO still having an automotive industry, INTO still having Social Security, (Bush
wanted to invest SS in the stock market before this crash.) And OUT of the inevitable chaos which would have ensued if he had allowed the banks and
wall street to self-destruct in a greedfest fostered by a conservative SEC that didn't even notice Bernie Madoff! And relative to intransigence,
hasn't virtually EVERY GOP congressperson signed a pledge to NEVER raise taxes NO MATTER WHAT? 
What is happening in Mexico is going to start happening in the USA pretty soon. The way I read it, I must pass a dozen vehicles every day containing
enough firepower to bring down a Marine squad from ambush.
I'm just sayin' BALLOTS NOT BULLETS!
Isn't there talk that PRI would decriminalize the situation to try to gain some stability? What would that do to the profits?
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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vgabndo
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Bajajazz...from the Ken Burns documentary I learned that Americans now drink 60% less than they did before the prohibition. That factoid combined
with the connection to women's sufferage make the fall out from the experiment all the more interesting.
Certainly Anslinger, who was a great proponent of prohib. went on afterwards to demonize cannabis for another 30 years and half a dozen Presidents!
He was likely one of the few humans who ever saw one of his Reefer Madness movies and thought it was real!
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Jesus! I'm getting dizzy just following all those Faberge, Easter Egg quote boxes...
Meanwhile much of mainland Mexico is a freakin' shooting gallery. I want ALL the gringo buyers of Mexican marijuana to have to come right to the
horse's mouth to get their pot: The mountains east of Culiacan, Sinaloa or the intersection of the states of Guerero, Michoacan, and Mexico. Bring
lots of cash, and maybe an M-79 for protection.
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rob
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Just a brief return to the thread . . . a few weeks back when those Zeta prisoners walked out of jail, there was a big stir of activity here in the
middle of nowhere on the Pacific coast west of La Paz.
One Saturday afternoon we woke up from a well-earned siesta when the dogs went ballistic, and found 5 or 6 large, sweating, black and bulletproof
vest-clad police special forces climbing the hill up to our house. Not having seen a policeman here in 10 years, we welcomed them cordially, ready to
help.
They were not friendly, and they wanted to search our house. I refused - later I wondered if that was wise - but they accepted this (perhaps 3
rottweilers trying to greet them from behind the front door was intimidating). I watched one of them enter our office down the hill without permission
and later found papers and passports strewn on the floor. They left.
I then found that to enter the ranch, rather than climb over or through the cattle fence, they had simply cut it.
In Conquista, the local ejido, this goon squad left behind infuriated citizens with possessions strewn on floors, after illegal (or a least
warrantless) searches and kicked-in doors.
And the final insult was that the house of the local Sinaloa connection was left completely untouched and unvisited. Go figure.
Never seen any fed group make so many enemies so quickly.
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nothing mar28th
i went from LB to San Jose and back yesterday some feds on the side of the road, but NO checks or stops.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Rob, thst's why a lot of folks want only the ejercito o marinas to do the job. The SSP still isn't professional.
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Looks like the core of Latina's post about the shooting, the arrests, brought back the usual tranquility to our southern highways and byways at least
for now -- might pick up again just before the G 20.
Drug movement, cartels, resistance has been dynamic -- just this last summer there were signs of large group meetings of aledged cartel
members/families choosing to recreate here because the south was a known "Safe Zone", agreed to by competitors.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LaPazGringo
| Quote: | | Originally posted by lenchoWhat happened to all the U.S. gangsters after the repeal of Prohibition? |
Some ended up dead, others in Alcatraz. To throw our hands up and say that these traficantes have won and we're all future victims is absurd.
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I read somewhere they went into gambling, extortion, drugs, prostitution etc.
After the Feds clamped down on those activities they rolled the profits over to legitimite business and politcs.
The land of opportunity.
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I know what happened to the Gangsters after Prohibition"" they did not run away, they ran for public office!!
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vgabndo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bombero
I know what happened to the Gangsters after Prohibition"" they did not run away, they ran for public office!! |
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
| Quote: | Originally posted by bombero
I know what happened to the Gangsters after Prohibition"" they did not run away, they ran for public office!! |
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-----AND WON!!!!
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Does the name "Kennedy" ring a bell?
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