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Barry A.
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Excellent points, Hook, and I think that sums a lot of it up nicely, at least for me. All that mentioned, coupled with the increasing hassle of
permits and fees & restrictions, is what stopped me and my friends short of crossing the border, and we now play in the USA.
Barry
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BajaGringo
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It's complicated but I think that it is due to many factors and the principal reasons may change the further south you go. Loss of tourism has hurt
many communities along the peninsula as it has also hurt tourism based communities NOB like Las Vegas. I was there during a holiday period last year
and what should have been a full house was a pair of deuces. People are simply not spending the money they once did on vacation travel and I'm sure
the price of gasoline figures in that decision as well.
Add to that the local problem of insecurity, passport requirements and border waits and you see what we have today.
Times change and economies evolve. Businesses down here that are holding out, waiting for the wave of tourists to return are mostly betting on a
losing horse IMHO.
I have seen many businesses down here that previously depended on tourists/buyers from NOB adapt and change their business models to work within the
local economy. They are not only surviving the current times but many are prospering.
I hate to be the party pooper here but I don't see tourism coming back in this decade in any great numbers and the sooner business down here adjusts
to that reality, the better.
Just my two cents...
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JoeJustJoe
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Although Cancun is not in Baja, it's great to hear that Cancun had one of it's greatest occupancy rates in years during Easter week.
Closer to home San Felipe was booked up.
Looks like things are looking up for Mexican tourism in certain places in the country, and no doubt some of those places will have a record number of
American tourists this year, and other places will have their work cut out for them.
Articles are from the "<Mexicoperspective.com" one of the best blogs that covers Mexico's and Baja's Spanish articles and translates them in
English in a fair manner and doesn't have the "alarmist" and the "Sky is falling" approach like many of the other blogs and forums that covers Mexico
and Baja:
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Cancún has 92% occupancy rate; San Felipe booked up
In good news for Mexico's tourism industry, Cancún has registered at 92% hotel occupancy rate for Easter week, its highest in years. Earlier, it was
reported that San Felipe in Baja California was completed booked up. Story on Cancún in Reforma (PDF). El Mexicano had a report that Acapulco was at
98% occupancy (PDF). El Mexicano also said Tijuana's Avenida Revolución and many other areas of Tijuana were seeing very little traffic. Story, El
Mexicano (PDF).
Meanwhile, The Mexican humor columnist wrote about "Beach hotels are very expensive..."
You need a lot of cash / To afford a luxurious beach bash
It's foreigners who have the money / To enjoy our coast where it's so sunny. Catón's Manganitas (PDF).
http://mexicoperspective.com/
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bajachris
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I still think the biggest issue at least for us traveling to Mexico is the dangerous road conditions. It's ironic that people are concerned about
Mexico when every few weeks you hear about some random school shooting in the US.
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sancho
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
Two weeks ago, there were 500 people standing in the Pedestrian line waiting to cross the San Ysidro POE on a Sunday afternoon. I never thought so
many Americans would still be traveling to Mexico, but there they were. |
I have been in that ped line a couple times recently,
being PC here, we were 2 of perhaps 8 Gringo type
US Tourists in that line of 1 1/2 hr. The rest of people
in that line don't fall into the category of casual
Tourists, and the occupancy in San Felipe last week
was due to Semana Santa, not a sudden large influx of Gringo US Tourists who all of a sudden decieded it was
safe to go to Baja
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Cypress
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When the US economy rebounds the tourists will return to Baja. The results of the next presidential election in the US will be the deciding
factor.
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sancho
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
The results of the next presidential election in the US will be the deciding factor. |
Can't wait, if Romney gets in, Baja/Mex will prosper????
[Edited on 4-9-2012 by sancho]
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Cypress
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Yep!!
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durrelllrobert
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since were getting off topic .....
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
When the US economy rebounds the tourists will return to Baja. The results of the next presidential election in the US will be the deciding
factor. |
While in South Korea Obama was caught on a hidden mic negotiating with the president of Russia on how to sell America and her allies down the river
once he gets past the next election.
voices.yahoo.com/obamas-open-mic-comments-paint-troublesome-pi...
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norte
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How do you guys know what romney believes in? He is constantly is changing positions,depending on his audience. If he ever does get elected, not
likely with his foot in mouth disease, It will be interesting to see who he sells out to.
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thebajarunner
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As we struggle to return to topic- ahem
Back to the subject- and no Romney, Obama or any other Gringo is gonna fix this problem, can't even fix our own.
Citing a full house in San Felipe during Spring Break is hardly evidence of recovery.
Same for the fly-in resorts.
And, if someone is having great fishing these days sure would be nice for you to share that info.
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Cypress
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thebajarunner, The subject, if I'm not mistaken, is what will help Baja out of it's economic slump. I stand by my, ahem, previous post. Kick the Obama
crowd to the curb. When the USA has a slight cold, Mexico has pneumonia.
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fishingmako
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You Know I have studied some of these factors for awhile now.
Here is my take on some of the problem, when things were really going well, there really wasn't a problem, and I don't think it is the Cartel?
When the boom was on building of Condos etc. Labors from the interior of Mexico flocked to Baja for work, and when things started falling apart there
was NO WORK and no monies to get back home.
So PETTY THEFT began and it is taking a toll on a lot of people now.
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Cypress
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norte, Hang in there.
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chuckie
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Baja is certainly not alone in economic doldrums...Fuel prices in the US are punative. especially for people on fixed incomes. Those of us who live in
Baja arent much affected by wait times, because once we are here, we are here for longer periods of time. Once or twice a year waiting in line is an
irritant, not a problem. But, I suppose, we are not really tourists, are we? I talk to folks who used to come down to visit (spend money) and the
biggest reason they stay away is fear. And lets face it, it aint like it used to be. If you leave your car or campsite on a sparsely populated beach,
you will get ripped off. I dont stop to help people I dont know any more, and I think most others dont either. Costs here are high. Where we used to
think about how much we could save by being in Baja, we (I) now shop ebay and save big bucks over Baja prices....BUT! Its still a magic place, and we
cant leave it...People who havnt been here have options. My cousin from Toronto, spent 2 weeks in the South of France, for less than flying here...I
dont speak French, and I dont like Frenchmen..Mulege es Mejor!
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
I think many underestimate the fact that people in the US STILL have less disposible income than at any time in the recent past. Couple that with
Mexico no longer being the bargain that it used to be and people are just deciding to "vacation" within a much smaller radius. |
The Wife and I are making due with less and less disposable income, but her prescription for Retin-A in the US costs $96 (incl. tax) for a small tube.
The same small tube of Retin-A in Tijuana costs a total of $14! The extra money we would have spent went to the activities to make this neat thread:
Noche Gay (de Travesti)
The bargain is without equal in my opinion!
[Edited on 4-10-2012 by Ken Cooke]
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Blair
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I guess I look at it differently. I see the attraction of Baja is its remote pristine beauty. The less people there - the longer we get to keep that.
Economic collapse, the perception of security issues, long border waits and corrupt government adds up to less human impact. Less human impact =
better Baja. Otherwise you end up with Waikiki Beach.
Blair in El Cajon
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Ken Cooke
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Economic collapse means starving people in Baja
You also have to think about the local people. I met this individual who was hunting squirrel in the desert. He had nothing to feed his dog but
trash left over from the 1000 race teams that blew through recently.
We gave this brother a couple of cold Gatorade drinks because he was hot, tired and hungry.
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Ken Cooke
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San Felipe
I talked to the receptionist at this Motel, and with no other guests, she was ready to make deals on the posted $85 Room fee.
I felt bad for the owners as well as the workers - since, its likely these people didn't get paid for the days they went to work.
The only 2 vehicles in the parking lot.
Thanksgiving week - the entire beach was empty!
Nobody walking down the Malecon, either.
If we would have broken down, it would take 6 months before another set of 4WD vehicles would arrive!
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EdZeranski
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perseption
| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
Mexico is not alone. Look at how these countries eliminated tourism:
Iraq
Iran
Afganistan
Pakistan
Yurkmenistan
Syria
Libya
Yemen
Somali
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When I left Iraq I told people I was headed to Baja as soon as I got back to California. The Iraqi people were horrified asking why go to such a
dangerous place....and I was in Baghdad. The bad news is picked up by all the wire services and the foreign ones really show some nasty stuff.
EdZ KG6UTS
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