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shari
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Burbs
-- I feel most gringo's Canadian and Americans really don't care where their trash goes.....they just wave and point about how it looks bad as they
drive by. The ones who live here year around DO CARE! |
I have to agree with this...although there are some visitors who make an effort...but very few. I have attempted to inform our guests before they come
that they dont have to bring cases of bottled water as each rental comes with a 5 gallon garafon of purified water and they can buy alot of food and
water here locally which makes for much less garbage. I am amazed how much trash visitors produce in a few days...mostly plastic food containers from
costco and non refundable beer bottles.
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MrBillM
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Green before Green was Cool
Late 60s-Early 70s.
Living in Manhattan Beach a block up from the sand in an Oft-Condemned rental house, I took inspiration from an example I saw elsewhere and started
saving EVERY SINGLE aluminum (Beercan) poptop, easily acquiring 1000s over a couple of years given our consumption.
Strung them together to form chains that I hung in crossing patterns from the open beamed ceilings.
The end-result wasn't exactly Green, though. When I left, I dumped them all in the trash can.
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Mulegena
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalinda
OK - here's a question... why are the workshop people using a plastic garbage bag to line the compost bin and plastic to cover the hole-in-the-ground
compost bin?...I guess you need to enclose the composting material with something so that a certain amount of heat is created, but there must be
something other than plastic that you can use. |
I'm here to learn about composting, too, and find these
threads highly educational. Good question.
This is beyond my college chemistry of so many years ago. We all know that plastic will hold heat, the blacker the hotter; its impermeable to water
and creates condensation, too. It will degrade over time; in fact there are bags created from corn or are otherwise chemically manipulated to degrade
in the presence of oxygen.
I've seen other standing compost bins that are not lined and in-ground bins that are simply covered with a board to keep critters out. I don't think
the plastic is mandatory.
Somebody else?
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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woody with a view
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agreed. i don't think you need it. they prolly use it to keep in heat and the dirt/sand so it doesn't sift right through the greenery and out the big
holes in the wire.
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Marc
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I think this is going to be a hard sell anywhere in Mexico.
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DavidE
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A lot of chatarra is going to Monclova Coahuila, to SICARTSA.
Chatarra is steel scrap
Monclova is a city
SICARTSA is one of two steel mills in México. The other is in Lazaro Card##as, Michoacan. It's name is LAS TRUCHAS
Hope this helps
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BajaBlanca
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interesting post about the plastic used and her comment was that her bag will last for a whole year ... one plastic bg for a whole year is pretty darn
good. that being said - she also said that ANY container could be used, as long as it had good ventilation.
I have disconvered something oh so interesting. most of my neighbors collect ALL their scraps and once a day a family member will come by and pick up
the scraps for the piggies. I am so happy - I gave a huge bag filled to the brim to one of the students who came for lunch today.
Mulegena, that link was interesting. the worlshop presenter had to remind me that knapkins could go in - I don't tend to think of the as organic but
they are ....
and a whole other group burys their trash and I am not sure how good an idea this is ???? In other words, they don't make the HOT COMPOST but just
bury the trash in the sand. Any ideas on this ?
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Mulegena
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Comida por los cochis
Food for the piggies
That's an easy way to rid one's kitchen of scraps, but what do the pig ranchers do with the by-product, i.e. piggiepoop?
I've read it can be hot composted and used for any kind of gardening-- this is true of all animal waste-- collect it and hot compost it for 6 weeks or
so and use it. The exception is cat feces which possibly may contain an organism called toxoplasmosis that is resistant to heat and may not be
inactivated.
Are the locals using the animal and chicken waste?
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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BajaBlanca
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I will ask, I have no idea what they do with the animal poop. I can ask.
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Eli
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Love the trashy tread, lots of good information, thanks Blanca!
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mulegemichael
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all of our compost, that's everything but meat scraps, we blend up in a slurry in a big blender by just adding a little water and pour it directly on
the plants....they just gobble it up!!...like plants on steroids.....that's all of our veggie scraps, banana peels, orange peels, coffee grounds
etc....a very neat way to compost without having a hole outside filled with rotting stuff....much easier to compost up north as the "product" doesn't
attract as many nuisances so is easier to control..
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Mulegena
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I love that idea, MulegeMichael.
Its so simple, but I gotta ask if you've done that down here in Baja.
No matter how clean we are, even in a home without much moist greenery around it, we get big-a@@ honkin' bugs. There's a huge bunch of 'em in the hot,
humid summer months, alot more than in winter. They always manage to find their way indoors-- this has given me many creepy experiences. I've had to
keep the dog and cat food in the refrigerator-- those ba#t@%DS carry them off-- the food, not the dog!
My concern about putting a plant slurry directly on plants is the "Open House" invitation that might be part 'n parcel.
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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BajaBlanca
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directly on the plants .... mulegemichael - what a neat idea .... and you do this in Mulege ????
QUESTION: do you have a mega heavy duty blender ???? I am sure mine will not deal with banana peels.
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Mexitron
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
http://madbioneer.blogspot.mx/2009/03/what-to-compost.html
Above is the link written by The Mad Bioneer, "MAD BIONEER
SCIENTISTS STUDY THE WORLD TO GATHER KNOWLEDGE. ENGINEERS UTILIZE THIS KNOWLEDGE TO SOLVE PROBLEMS AND CREATE A BETTER WORLD. THIS BLOG IS ABOUT USING
BIOLOGICAL KNOWLEDGE TO ENGINEER BETTER GARDENS, MORE EFFICIENT SYSTEMS, TASTIER FOODS, AND, WELL, ANYTHING ELSE I CAN THINK OF."
This is a wonderfully candid and simple explanation of what to throw in and how to toss it. I resurrected Blanca's original thread as this pertains to
the generic introduction that she initiated and has been discussed on various threads this week.
Enjoy. |
Good primer on composting!
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Mexitron
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
interesting post about the plastic used and her comment was that her bag will last for a whole year ... one plastic bg for a whole year is pretty darn
good. that being said - she also said that ANY container could be used, as long as it had good ventilation.
I have disconvered something oh so interesting. most of my neighbors collect ALL their scraps and once a day a family member will come by and pick up
the scraps for the piggies. I am so happy - I gave a huge bag filled to the brim to one of the students who came for lunch today.
Mulegena, that link was interesting. the worlshop presenter had to remind me that knapkins could go in - I don't tend to think of the as organic but
they are ....
and a whole other group burys their trash and I am not sure how good an idea this is ???? In other words, they don't make the HOT COMPOST but just
bury the trash in the sand. Any ideas on this ? |
Soil organisms/bacteria will eat that stuff up and create good results as long as its not buried so deep as to attract anaerobic bacteria, which will
create, among other things, methane. Also wouldn't want to put huge amounts into the ground in one spot.
My old friend the citrus farmer was horrified to find that his worker had changed the motor oil in the tractor and just dumped the old oil in the road
near one of the trees. He watched that tree for months to check for damage. After a year the tree was the greenest in the orchard---the soil
bacteria had digested the oil (it is organic---full of carbon!) and created fertilizer. Not that I would use motor oil in the compost bin- there are
nasty byproducts of combustion in there as well but it does show that the soil is a very robust living thing with millions of bacteria per cubic
centimeter.
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BajaBlanca
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the greenest in the orchard ! good story Mexitron.
also, good to know not to pput too much organic matter in one spot.
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