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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ateo
No bears in Baja. I like that. Or are there??? |
Hear, Hear!!!! Me no likey those bears either. Big Kitties are ok, but bears not so good. Bears are ornry and will kill ANYTHING they take a
dislikeing to. Big cats are much more discriminating.
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Interesting.
I had heard that big cats are far more dangerous. Many say that with grizzlies you don't fight back in the begining because it's a dominance thing.
You always fight back when a mountain lion attacks. By the time you see them they've been stalking you for a while. You never turn your back on a cat
either. Just walk backwards while facing the animal. I also believe that you never want to stare down a grizzly but it makes no difference with a cat?
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Yep. A Bear could take a .45 and just get excited..............No me gusta.
They can also chomp down on your skull while you're calling for help. I don't like that and I still have nightmares after camping in Alaska from
1996-98.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by ateo
No bears in Baja. I like that. Or are there??? |
Hear, Hear!!!! Me no likey those bears either. Big Kitties are ok, but bears not so good. Bears are ornry and will kill ANYTHING they take a
dislikeing to. Big cats are much more discriminating.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by ateo
No bears in Baja. I like that. Or are there??? |
Hear, Hear!!!! Me no likey those bears either. Big Kitties are ok, but bears not so good. Bears are ornry and will kill ANYTHING they take a
dislikeing to. Big cats are much more discriminating.
Barry |
Interesting.
I had heard that big cats are far more dangerous. Many say that with grizzlies you don't fight back in the begining because it's a dominance thing.
You always fight back when a mountain lion attacks. By the time you see them they've been stalking you for a while. You never turn your back on a cat
either. Just walk backwards while facing the animal. I also believe that you never want to stare down a grizzly but it makes no difference with a cat?
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You have to do what you have to do, SkipJack. Cats like me-----bears don't---------I will walk with cats (tho yes, watch your back) but the very idea
of a bear sends me into cold sweats-----and they slobber, so obviously they want to eat you. With me, man wins, and bears should be history (except
maybe in Siberia)
Barry
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BEAUTY!! well said !!
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Beauty is all in the eye of the beholder.................and where you want to see it. |
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Skipjack Joe
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It looks as though we have a cougar not too far from here. Purissima Cyn Road is one I hike fairly regularly.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/27/mountain-lion-half-...
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Crystal Basin for 9 days camping last week.
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SUMMER ON THE WEST COAST !!!
NOTHING IN THE WORLD CAN GET CLOSE TO THE WEST IS BEST !!!!! SOME FOOL THAT DOSNT KNOW BETTER MIGHT THINK OTHERWISE !! K & T 
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
The cellular memory of the sound of the water wind birds, the musky sweet scent-- I gotta admit, I miss.
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Cellular memory?
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SJ,
Read all about it....some folks believe in it, others don't:
"Virtually every behavioral pattern exhibited during routine activities of daily living results from learned data which is stored, or encoded, as
cellular memory. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_memory
http://www.skepdic.com/cellular.html
http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080123/full/451385a.html
[Edited on 7-16-2012 by motoged]
Don't believe everything you think....
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Skipjack Joe
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Where is the link to this quote:
"Virtually every behavioral pattern exhibited during routine activities of daily living results from learned data which is stored, or encoded, as
cellular memory. "
Where would a cell store memory information? Sounds like bs to me.
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If you think it's BS, why would you want a link?
Do your own research if you are truly curious....if you want me to do that so you can build a case against something....what's with that?
Don't believe everything you think....
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The Northern California Black Bear is a docile species with the exception of a mother with cubs. They come through my property several times a year
from the canyon. I don't put out garbage until the morning of Waste Management's pickup, but neighbors do. That is what they are after. They just want
an easy, no hassle route to the garbage.
My dog routinely runs them off the property or up a tree. Bears hate noise; barking dogs, beating on pots and pans, etc.I have gotten to know several
generations of bear families through the years. Currently there is a cinnamon colored bear as big as a Volkswagen who lumbers through. I remember it
as a cub from five years ago. He's an old friend.
Occasionally some idiot will shoot one. Well, I don't understand that. It is a gun-nut mentality that is so pervasive up here in Redneck country.
Bears can be quite destructive of property, but they will look for an escape route if confronted. Shooting them is not warranted! 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
The Northern California Black Bear is a docile species with the exception of a mother with cubs. They come through my property several times a year
from the canyon. I don't put out garbage until the morning of Waste Management's pickup, but neighbors do. That is what they are after. They just want
an easy, no hassle route to the garbage.
My dog routinely runs them off the property or up a tree. Bears hate noise; barking dogs, beating on pots and pans, etc.I have gotten to know several
generations of bear families through the years. Currently there is a cinnamon colored bear as big as a Volkswagen who lumbers through. I remember it
as a cub from five years ago. He's an old friend.
Occasionally some idiot will shoot one. Well, I don't understand that. It is a gun-nut mentality that is so pervasive up here in Redneck country.
Bears can be quite destructive of property, but they will look for an escape route if confronted. Shooting them is not warranted! |
I was the Bear Management Officer (black, cinnamon, and Griz) for Glacier National Park in Montana for a year back in 1968. What Tony says is mostly
true, except the part about black and cinnamon bears (they are the same) being "docile". They may appear docile, even act docile, but believe me they
are only that way when they feel not threatened in any way. When they perceive any threat, or when grouchy, they are killing machines fully capable
of killing any animal or human in their way. (a lot like us).
Consequently, I do not feel that bears and humans are compatible as I value human life above any rogue bear, and many of them act like "rogues". Our
Bear Biologist in the Park (Cliff Martinka) backed me up on this belief------and was extremely respectful of all bears, almost to the point of
paranoia.
Barry
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docile bear..now I have heard it ALL...they can and do tear car doors off to get at food !! strong, fast, can climb,swim and run very fast for short
sprints...and can smell very good !! they cant see worth.s---t and thats your angle !! and they will not back down in a challange,,but if you back
up..that gives them the option of calling it quits................when your lucky!!! K & T and to tonehart..good on you!! shooting a bear can almost be be avoided 99.9 percent of times...there is a ca.
F&G program to replenish bears tru out ca. that is not public info and a lot of the bears are problem bears from alaska!! go figure !! I have
fished on rivers with a bear 50 ft from me and did not get molested..and most folks out hiking have walked within 50 feet of a mt. lion and never knew
it !!! K & T
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RIDGE
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When hiking in BC a few summers ago we were constantly advised to hike in groups, wear bells on our boots and carry pepper spray as a defense against
bears. Near the end of the hike we came on a sign helping folks tell the difference between a black/brown bear and a grizzly by looking at their
scat:
"A brown bear's will have berries and other seeds in it while a grizzly's will have small bells and smell of pepper"
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As we have morphed into bears; a few years ago after a long day fishing the Hell Hole area I'm driving slowly along a narrow road when a beautiful
golden adult bear runs into the road no more than 30 feet in front of me, stops, turns around and two small cubs, also golden scurry after her across
the road. I had never seen the golden coat before and now I saw three. I've been told that there is a reddish coat which I've not seen either.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
If you think it's BS, why would you want a link?
Do your own research if you are truly curious....if you want me to do that so you can build a case against something....what's with that?
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If you're going to respond by telling me to do my own research, why bother responding?
What's with your attitude?
Yes, and I repeat, this statement sounds like bs to me:
"The cellular memory of the sound of the water wind birds, the musky sweet scent..."
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motoged
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I offered some links for info about a topic....you ask for the source and say it sounds like BS.
Did you read the links? Did you go beyond the two I listed? If you still thought the concept was BS, why do you want me to provide a sample
quote/definition from one of the links ?
My attitude is one that comes up when a Nomad doesn't bother to hit Google or a book or some damned thing aside from their opinion vault before
calling BS.
Don't believe everything you think....
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Skipjack Joe
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FYI.
Yes I read all of your links and they all seemed to say it was BS as well.
1. First link called it pseudoscience.
2. Second link was unabashedly critical of it.
3. Third link said it existed at a primitive level, that of a slime mold responding to electrical impulses. That is a long ways from storing memories
of bird songs.
In neither of the links did I see the quote you presented. I thought I overlooked something and asked.
Instead I got a very rude post from you.
I probably shouldn't continue with this any longer and am only doing so to show you how wrong you were in your assumptions.
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