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mulege marv
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quads
i have a home in baja along with a quad. it has been my observation that americans are so concerned with what they think is their "personal right"
that they do not care how it effects others around them. as long as its fun for them, F*** everyone else. i bought in mexico to get away from this
kind of attitude. a drunk 18 yr old on an atv out to show how cool he is, respect anyone or anything, in your dreams. there are thousands of miles to
ride where you wont bother others, (baja 500 ring a bell ?) of course there would be no one to see how cool you are, use some common sense !
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Dano @ Looney Loop
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East Cape ATV's
How will this ATV enforcement effect fishing boat owners who use their trucks to launch their boats off the beach???
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Well, it has come to pass. They are indeed enforcing the law now. Federales confiscated 6 Amigo's rental bikes a couple of days back and have promised
to return for more!
Take note East Cape ATVers...drive on the beach and you might lose your bike! |
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jrbaja
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It won't.
As long as the rich gringo/canadian homeowners approve.
When they don't, a bunch of old hens will start squaking and get some sort of gringo petition going. Then, they start in on their spineless husbands
and property managers until they have turned it into Newport friggen beach.
At least if the other enclaves in Baja are any indication.
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jrbaja
As long as the rich gringo/canadian homeowners approve.
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Rich gringos didn't make the law, the Mexican Congress did. Whether it is enforced is solely Mexico's decision.
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Cardon Man
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Boat launching etc.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dano @ Looney Loop
"How will this ATV enforcement effect fishing boat owners who use their trucks to launch their boats off the beach???"
Well, it should mean that all beach traffic including trucks launching boats is prohibido, period. That being said, I have to agree with
jrbaja that as long as the gringo home owners approve, such beach launching will continue with out a problem. It is interesting to note that some of
the same people who have pushed for the enforcement on ATV's also launch with trucks in front of their homes..."Do as I say, not as I do". I guess
it's ok tear up beach habitat as long as it's in front of one's own lavish beach front home. In the unlikely event that someone has their nice new
diesel truck confiscated you can bet these same folks will go balistic! It seems some people want old style Baja when it suits them...and "Newport
Beach" when it doesn't.
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jrbaja
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Even the Mexican congress
doesn't want to have to deal with a bunch of cackling old biddies!
We only have three of them here and they only come down about once or twice a month. But they did manage to whine enough to get a gate put up to
keep the local Mexicans out of their own beach.
That's because our property owner/manager plain old got sick and tired of listening to them whine.
The good part is, their part of the property is being turned into condos. Ha!
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cardon Man
I have to agree with jrbaja that as long as the gringo home owners approve, such beach launching will continue with out a problem.
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Approve?
That gringos have ANY influence over the Mexican military, which is solely responsible for enforcing the beach laws, is ludicrous.
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jrbaja
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Dave,
you need to get out more !
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Cardon Man
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Approve?
That gringos have ANY influence over the Mexican military, which is solely responsible for enforcing the beach laws, is ludicrous.
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Well, you've got a point there Dave. Yet it does seem that the local gringos have indeed influenced the enforcement of beach laws at the East Cape to
some extent. Not that there hasn't been influence from prominent Mexicanos who own beachfront hotels as well.
That being said, i would be very surprised indeed if there was any crack down on the beach launching by the aforementioned gringos. It should be noted
that there are many Mexicanos who launch in a similar fashion. Take for example all the pangas on the beach at La Ribera. Those hard working
commercial fisherman have no other way to launch and should be allowed to do so in my opinion.
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BajaGrrls
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jrbaja
...doesn't want to have to deal with a bunch of cackling old biddies!
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For the record, this group of old men has managed to sound an awful lot like "a bunch of cackling old biddies!" 
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jrbaja
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When in Romania !!
And thanks Lera.
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jrbaja
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And I thought I was good at
stirring up do do !
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Tommy A
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GOT HIS FROM A FRIEND IN BUENA VISTA
I checked into this situation and this is
what I found out.....There is one gringo who lives on a narrow strip of
beach that the ATVs pass by when they are headed south. This piece of beach
seems to be where visitors on ATVs do "cookies" and open the throttle on
their rented ATVs. The gringo takes pictures and calls the local cops when
this happens. The cops do not care but oblige the gringo. In reality, the
only people who care about this problem is this sole gringo. He has
alienated all his neighbors who ride ATVs. The gringo found one agency that
showed some interest in his problem...it would be the equivalent of the EPA
...but just for turtles. This agency visited AMIGO's, twice
during the summer to inform the owner that his ATVS were causing problems on
this section of beach. The owner of AMIGO's blew the EPA agent off and just
did business as usual. Then later the EPA guy came back to town and with the
assistance of the Buena Vista police confiscate two ATV's and fined the 12
year old riders $450 USD. The fine was for riding in reckless fashion on the
beach. AMIGO's ended up paying $300 of the fine since the youths were told
by AMIGO's Cabo operation that they could rent ATVs in Los Barriles and do
anything and ride any way they wanted to in Los Barriles. Four weeks later
and more complaints by the gringo the EPA guy came back and confiscated 6
AMIGO ATVs which now reside at the Buena Vista police station. One of the
problems is the EPA guy has no authority to confiscate ATVs on the beach and
the Buena Vista police have no authority on the beach since their
responsibility is transit, as in paved roads. As this is sorting itself out
the ATVs remain at the Buena Vista police station. ATVs go back and forth in
front of this gringo's house and he is quiet if they go slow. Any crazy
riding and he takes photos, calls the buena vista police and e-mails the
photos to the EPA guy in La Paz.
That's the story. Life goes on....just respect other people on the beach and
you will be OK.
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BajaGrrls
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"Never trust anything that can bleed for a week, month after month and not die"  |
I'd say something about trusting a man with two heads who still can't form a rational thought, but that might be below the belt.
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jrbaja
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Markitos
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Sooo, I Guess every one wants more laws and less freedom. I never riden an ATV. But Ive told some folks to get the &$@&^#! away when they where to
close. Seamed to work at the time.
All that wonder are not lost
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jrbaja
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Nope, that's not the case
Howz about less laws and more common sense!
Righty-oh, that would be a cold day in hell!!
How about legalizing guns in Baja? That would certainly solve the common sense problem!
And, it might work the same way as in the animal kingdom. The not so smart ones are eliminated creating a stronger, smarter herd!
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jrbaja
Howz about less laws and more common sense!
Righty-oh, that would be a cold day in hell!!
How about legalizing guns in Baja? That would certainly solve the common sense problem!
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Problem is, humans are not equally endowed with common sense. If they were, there would be no need for laws.
By the way, guns ARE legal below a certain caliber. Even for gringos if they can prove the need.
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jrbaja
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I know Dave,
just ask Mr. Jack about my "arsenal"
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