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DAVID! A question. If the President is so bad, and the Republicans so good... Why isn't Romney touting and trumpeting the incredible successes of the
Party and its heros Bush, Chaney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Pearle, Wolfowitz, and PALIN in his effort to unseat Obama?
Those people are in the witness protection program right?
I'm sure the President's mispronunciation makes up for that little anomaly.
For the record I just deleted paragraphs of carefully documented support for my position. I was smiling as I recognized the foolishness of that
effort. And I haven't had a TV for almost two years. If you are getting almost
ANY of your information from TV that explains some of your "facts?????"
Confession...I download the Daily Show!
[Edited on 9-16-2012 by vgabndo]
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
While I don't have a problem with a Tundra pulling it I think a Ford truck would have been more fitting. No I'm not a Ford guy either.
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Agreed. Guess Toyota was willing to pay more for the publicity.
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Zingers??? Oh, you mean 'facts'???
If Obama was a Republican, they would never be hiding all the BS that has been produced by this administration.
Remember when Dan Quayle misspelled POTATO by adding an E? We never heard the end of it... But Joe Biden can say JOBS is a 'three letter word', and
nothing... Even worse, the Commander-in-Chief doesn't know how to say CORPSMAN (silent p, as in Marine Corps) when honoring one, he said 'corpse man'
several times... Guess his teleprompter didn't spell it phonetically for him? |
Good lord, David, you gonna start arguing about facts? The average Republican, including you, wouldn't know a real political fact if it bit them in
the burro.
And you want to talk about a president mispronouncing ONE WORD so soon after we had the "you can fool everyone... uh, but, uh...hum...we won't get
fooled again!" president? Really?
And you want to bring up keeping things secret by this administration when Bush/Cheney were the ones who passed a law that is meant to keep just about
everything they did secret for fifty years (wonder how that will work out in the long-run?). You should be extremely grateful that this administration
totally copped out and showed us all who their daddy is by keeping secret all the crap that went down during the Bush years. Otherwise, your whole
world view would have been exposed as the big fraud it is and I'm not sure you could have handled that truth. No, on second thought, you'd just deny
there was any truth to it since the Democrats had revealed it. For you folks, there are no universal truths, only Republican truths... and science or
serious studies are never part of them.
I really, really like you as a person, David. But when it comes to politics, you have a lot to learn (to put it nicely) since it's sooooooo obvious
you don't have a clue about what you are saying. All you can spout is Republican dogma. You can't talk about much outside of Baja in depth because you
don't really have the understanding of the issues. Case-in-point: your "when Bush was in office, I had work; when Obama took over, I had no work,
therefore, Bush good for the economy, Obama bad for the economy" argument. That is the thinking of someone with zero understanding of what brought on
the crisis. Care to argue the point?
PS Speaking of unjustly hounding a candidate, try reading this (hint, Quayle got off easy): http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/09/blast-past-med...
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Why? Because his solution was to use government to fix the economy and not private enterprise. Government is totally inefficient and wholly wasteful
in nearly everything it tries to do, that should be done by the private citizens of America. |
There are some things that governments are good at and other things that private industry is good at.
There are some things that governments do less efficiently than private industry but government is still preferable as it is accountable to the people
and not motivated purely by profit, which taken to it's extreme (i.e. large corporations) gives us institutions legally mandated to act amorally due
to fiduciary responsibility.
There is no universal answer to be found here. Government needs to be big enough to do it's job (one it's important functions being to regulate
business).
I dig your Baja posts but I cringe every time I read anything political.
(p.s. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
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Why is the stock market doing so well with Obama president . Ok just to make you happy I'm not that happy with Obama and there are many more of us the
same feeling, it just comes down to the lesser evil. |
I'm not David, but to partially answer your question-----traders in the Stock Market love stimulous short-term as they can make a LOT of money trading
the volatility, and that makes the Market go up, and go down. This is NOT true Capitolism, tho------it is a horrible distortion of the Market and
free market principals, and the foolishness of it all will come home to roost one of these days, as it always does, and has done in the past. Most
business's will not hire, or invest in plant under these distorted and confusing circumstances, thus the economy is stymied. Under these
circumstances, forget "value" and go with "growth" and Mega-Caps and the distortions of the Market if you want to make money short-term (up to
possibly 18 months or 2 years). Long Term it's mega-caps, for now.
That's my take, anyway.
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
DK
Why is the stock market doing so well with Obama president . Ok just to make you happy I'm not that happy with Obama and there are many more of us the
same feeling, it just comes down to the lesser evil. |
I'm not David, but to partially answer your question-----traders in the Stock Market love stimulous short-term as they can make a LOT of money trading
the volatility, and that makes the Market go up, and go down. This is NOT true Capitolism, tho------it is a horrible distortion of the Market and
free market principals, and the foolishness of it all will come home to roost one of these days, as it always does, and has done in the past. Most
business's will not hire, or invest in plant under these distorted and confusing circumstances, thus the economy is stymied. Under these
circumstances, forget "value" and go with "growth" and Mega-Caps and the distortions of the Market if you want to make money short-term (up to
possibly 18 months or 2 years). Long Term it's mega-caps, for now.
That's my take, anyway.
Barry |
What's fascinating to me about this decision is that 11 of 12 FOMC governors voted for this. Now Barry, with all due respect, I'm guessing they have
a bit more insight with the economy than us simpletons....unless of course you watch Fox News...and then...well all bets are off.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
DK
Why is the stock market doing so well with Obama president . Ok just to make you happy I'm not that happy with Obama and there are many more of us the
same feeling, it just comes down to the lesser evil. |
I'm not David, but to partially answer your question-----traders in the Stock Market love stimulous short-term as they can make a LOT of money trading
the volatility, and that makes the Market go up, and go down. This is NOT true Capitolism, tho------it is a horrible distortion of the Market and
free market principals, and the foolishness of it all will come home to roost one of these days, as it always does, and has done in the past. Most
business's will not hire, or invest in plant under these distorted and confusing circumstances, thus the economy is stymied. Under these
circumstances, forget "value" and go with "growth" and Mega-Caps and the distortions of the Market if you want to make money short-term (up to
possibly 18 months or 2 years). Long Term it's mega-caps, for now.
That's my take, anyway.
Barry |
What's fascinating to me about this decision is that 11 of 12 FOMC governors voted for this. Now Barry, with all due respect, I'm guessing they have
a bit more insight with the economy than us simpletons....unless of course you watch Fox News...and then...well all bets are off..... |
Yeah, well, we will see BajaBoy-------you may be right. My wisdom does not come from within, or from Fox News, but from CNBC's guests and commentators
as well as my Financial Guide/Advisor, who is a billionaire. The academics on the FOMC worry me, that's for sure.
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
DK
Why is the stock market doing so well with Obama president . Ok just to make you happy I'm not that happy with Obama and there are many more of us the
same feeling, it just comes down to the lesser evil. |
I'm not David, but to partially answer your question-----traders in the Stock Market love stimulous short-term as they can make a LOT of money trading
the volatility, and that makes the Market go up, and go down. This is NOT true Capitolism, tho------it is a horrible distortion of the Market and
free market principals, and the foolishness of it all will come home to roost one of these days, as it always does, and has done in the past. Most
business's will not hire, or invest in plant under these distorted and confusing circumstances, thus the economy is stymied. Under these
circumstances, forget "value" and go with "growth" and Mega-Caps and the distortions of the Market if you want to make money short-term (up to
possibly 18 months or 2 years). Long Term it's mega-caps, for now.
That's my take, anyway.
Barry |
What's fascinating to me about this decision is that 11 of 12 FOMC governors voted for this. Now Barry, with all due respect, I'm guessing they have
a bit more insight with the economy than us simpletons....unless of course you watch Fox News...and then...well all bets are off..... |
Yeah, well, we will see BajaBoy-------you may be right. My wisdom does not come from within, or from Fox News, but from CNBC's guests and commentators
as well as my Financial Guide/Advisor, who is a billionaire. The academics on the FOMC worry me, that's for sure.
Barry |
time to double down...buy rentals with cheap money and pay back the loan with inflated money.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
DK
Why is the stock market doing so well with Obama president . Ok just to make you happy I'm not that happy with Obama and there are many more of us the
same feeling, it just comes down to the lesser evil. |
I'm not David, but to partially answer your question-----traders in the Stock Market love stimulous short-term as they can make a LOT of money trading
the volatility, and that makes the Market go up, and go down. This is NOT true Capitolism, tho------it is a horrible distortion of the Market and
free market principals, and the foolishness of it all will come home to roost one of these days, as it always does, and has done in the past. Most
business's will not hire, or invest in plant under these distorted and confusing circumstances, thus the economy is stymied. Under these
circumstances, forget "value" and go with "growth" and Mega-Caps and the distortions of the Market if you want to make money short-term (up to
possibly 18 months or 2 years). Long Term it's mega-caps, for now.
That's my take, anyway.
Barry |
What's fascinating to me about this decision is that 11 of 12 FOMC governors voted for this. Now Barry, with all due respect, I'm guessing they have
a bit more insight with the economy than us simpletons....unless of course you watch Fox News...and then...well all bets are off..... |
Yeah, well, we will see BajaBoy-------you may be right. My wisdom does not come from within, or from Fox News, but from CNBC's guests and commentators
as well as my Financial Guide/Advisor, who is a billionaire. The academics on the FOMC worry me, that's for sure.
Barry |
time to double down...buy rentals with cheap money and pay back the loan with inflated money..... |
A winning strategy for sure!!!! One of my son's is doing just that!! He plans to retire at 50. He may just make it. 
Barry
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BajaTripper, please... it isn't more important than friendship, so I will not debate you or put you down personally because you need BIG government in
your life... Just remember, the bigger the government, the smaller your paycheck and your freedom. As whistler stated, Obama either lied or was unable
to do anything he said using big government to solve issues.
I am really tired of us apologizing to the world and still getting our flag burned, our ambassador and his security murdered... Some respect we have
by acting weak and sorry... |
David, not to belabor the point (I know how pointless that is), but the fact is, we ALL need be government in our lives. Some day, when you are no
longer able to work for a living, you, too, will realize this "fact."
Until then, you are welcome to my hospitality anytime, you are a great, although very misguided politically, guy.
Salud, amigo.
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
BajaTripper, please... it isn't more important than friendship, so I will not debate you or put you down personally because you need BIG government in
your life... Just remember, the bigger the government, the smaller your paycheck and your freedom. As whistler stated, Obama either lied or was unable
to do anything he said using big government to solve issues.
I am really tired of us apologizing to the world and still getting our flag burned, our ambassador and his security murdered... Some respect we have
by acting weak and sorry... |
David, not to belabor the point (I know how pointless that is), but the fact is, we ALL need be government in our lives. Some day, when you are no
longer able to work for a living, you, too, will realize this "fact."
Until then, you are welcome to my hospitality anytime, you are a great, although very misguided politically, guy.
Salud, amigo. |
Well, I too agree with David on these political points. But the world would be pretty boring if we all agreed. I am 16 years retired, and I don't
need most of what the present "Government" seeks to provide, and the entire idea of a Nanny State freaks me out--------it is NOT good, no matter how
much you disagree with me.
Barry
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Well, I too agree with David on these political points. But the world would be pretty boring if we all agreed. I am 16 years retired, and I don't
need most of what the present "Government" seeks to provide, and the entire idea of a Nanny State freaks me out--------it is NOT good, no matter how
much you disagree with me.
Barry |
"A nation is only as strong as its weakest link."
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by whistler
"not motivated purely by profit". The government is not motivated by profit at all. |
some government entities apply capitalist principles to their own revenue generation, especially when corrupt
| Quote: | | What part of government turns a profit?They don't have to.Taxes fund the government |
Parts of it, sure, but there are plenty of agencies out there that survive by generating revenue through fines & permits
| Quote: | | and if there is not funds to fund it,they just print more money. |
The federal reserve does the money printing and they are private - not government institutions. No accountability to the people or it's elected
representatives. This is not a good thing IMO.
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The ONLY Govt. Agencies that produce a "profit" that I am aware of are the IRS, and the Bureau of Land Management. The BLM profits mostly from it's
oil and gas leases, and timber sales (or at least it used to in the 'good ol days').
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I hear you. The profit thing is a bit of a tangent - my point was that government is not constrained by taxes, the government doesn't directly
control the money supply, and that efficiency isn't the only measure by which we decide how to allocate responsibility between private industry and
government.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
The ONLY Govt. Agencies that produce a "profit" that I am aware of are the IRS, and the Bureau of Land Management. The BLM profits mostly from it's
oil and gas leases, and timber sales (or at least it used to in the 'good ol days').
Barry |
Government agencies shouldn't be "for profit," they should be for the good of the country. That's the basic flaw in your economic outlook, Barry, you
see everything from a for-profit perspective and forget that there's a human element to the equation.
Some of the evils of the "everything for profit" mentality are discussed here
http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/17509-college...
[Edited on 9-17-2012 by Bajatripper]
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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Its time to reach across the aisle again...i'm so tired of polarizing politics and spin---from both sides.
For an example off the top of my head---let's take Social Security---Republicans want to privatize it, Dems want to leave it alone to die a slow
death. How about we keep 2/3 invested as it currently is in low yield stuff and take the last third and put it in the stock market---people can
choose which stocks or let the gov't do it for them.
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Its time to reach across the aisle again...i'm so tired of polarizing politics and spin---from both sides.
For an example off the top of my head---let's take Social Security---Republicans want to privatize it, Dems want to leave it alone to die a slow
death. How about we keep 2/3 invested as it currently is in low yield stuff and take the last third and put it in the stock market---people can
choose which stocks or let the gov't do it for them. |
YESSSSSSSSS---------Excellent!!!!!
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I kind feel like we should be talking about the missions or El Camino Real... they are timeless (I hope)... this election will be over soon, so let's
not have any hate. America will either fail or not, and naturally I sure hope not as I do think we are exceptional and the world needs us to be an
example of how a government should be at the service of the people, and not the other way around.
I seriously don't see any evidence that the framers ever intended the government to take from those who produce more and just give to those that
produce less or nothing... when they are able to.
At some point the producers will say 'screw this' and leave, and not just let a government drain the life out of them. Look what's happened in states
like California, where the liberals in charge have raised so many restrictions and taxes on the job creators (producers), that those companies have
said 'screw this' and left. Guess where they go? To states run by conservatives with less or no taxes and no stifling regulations...
Aren't more jobs better for everyone than putting more people on food stamps??? It has got to end, this give me- give me mentality. Pretty soon there
is no body left to take from ...to give to the rest!
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what about the toyota towing the space shuttle?
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