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tim40
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I would be willing to give odds (say, 3 to 1 beers of choice) that this will get started in the next 18 months and finish within 60 months. One only
has to go down 1 to realize that there is now a 'locals' mandate to have an alternate route to Sur. Don't like, but look at one of my posts early in
the year, I thought it would come up....it is now 'politically sexy'.
When searching for the end of your rainbow you only have until dusk....
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jrbaja
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We shall see.
Anyone who has traveled around in Baja has seen the changes that are abruptly happening.
Even in the mountains where there isn't much tourist action, the roads are being "improved".
There are a number of reasons for this besides tourism and development too. It's actually not All about tourists.
The Mexican government is interested in helping the citizens and rancheros in the remote communities. They are like that.
One of the ways they are doing this is by maintaining and improving access to some of these areas. They provide financial assistance to larger
businesses such as le?eros which is one of the few possibilities for making some income for these true Baja people.
It is happening all over. The current government is all for it, the people like it, and it is happening. They are not stupid!
Now, this combined with gringo and canadian development, GPS coordinates of tia gertrudas' outhouse being posted on the internet by foreigners, and a
lack of scary stories about Baja in the media recently, will surely open a few eyes to what is really going on here David, in the very near future.
Probably even yours.
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Mexray
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It's called progress...
Just think of all the new straight paved sections that can be used to land small planes for unloading their 'special' cargos...
I guess Coco will have to order some new signs that read, "Coco's Offramp"...
According to my clock...anytime is \'BAJA TIME\' & as Jimmy Buffett says,
\"It doesn\'t use numbers or moving hands It always just says now...\"
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jrbaja
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Naw,
Just follow the walmart signs. That's a pretty strategic location for a mall and outlet center Coco's will be right next door!
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edevart
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I will agree with you guys and say that the citizens of BCS y N ought to be able to develop at their own pace. However, as seen in so very many other
occasions in Mexico, the people that benefit from so-called "progress" (i.e. new hotels, new roads, new developments) are never the locals that live
there, but usually outsiders. There are so many examples of this in Mexico, it is painful to recall....Cancun--everyone from the developers to the
Mexican government hailed the new development of Cancun as a boon for the local (mostly Mayan) population living there. They promised jobs, they
promised money, they promised a new life. What happened? The locals (mayan and not) were forced to move out when the cost of living got too high and
the jobs were taken by the massive influx of foreigners and Chilangos. Example #2-- the ESSO salt works project outside Guerrero Negro. When the
project was first planned, the developers promised to revitalize the region, improving roads, building schools, employing exclusively locals. What
happened? Mitsubishi imported "skilled" employees from Japan and elsewhere that now live in a gated compound separate from the locals and Guerrero
Negro remains a town of dirt roads and crumbling infrastructure.
So, although I love the idea of giving everyone a chance, I fear the reality. Nothing sounds more like money pouring into the pockets of rich
developers than a paved road from Puertocitos to Hwy 1.
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David K
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Very interesting read Ed. I have heard the same about Cancun. Now Cabo will go that way, and soon Loreto, too.
I look forward to reading more from you... welcome to Nomad!
One comment I have is Guerrero Negro did not exist before the salt operation... Began as 'Salina Vizcaino' about 1957, but soon changed the name to
that of the lagoon it was near. It was a salt mining town from the start, far from the original main road.
The paved highway was alligned to pass just 2 miles from it in 1973. After that it became more service oriented instead of a pure 'company town'. Mike
Humfreville saw it in '67 and can tell you more.
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wilderone
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"...and a lack of scary stories"
Keep them scary stories coming.
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Mexray
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From the Alaskan Camper Web site...
as shown on the back of a camper...
PAVED ROADS:
A Fine Example of Needless
Government Spending.
According to my clock...anytime is \'BAJA TIME\' & as Jimmy Buffett says,
\"It doesn\'t use numbers or moving hands It always just says now...\"
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wornout
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Just heard a group of about 15 local businessmen have begun the process of building a quarry a little south of San Felipe. The purpose? To provide
building materials for the pavement of the road south of San Felipe where it needs it. Stay tuned for more updates as they happen.
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tim40
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I guess folks on the board all agree with my position and have no interest in the beer odds I am offering....It is all but a done deal. The need is
now a local one with local driving force.
When searching for the end of your rainbow you only have until dusk....
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Mike Humfreville
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Going back to Edevart?s post regarding jobs for the locals rather than the big guys in Mexico D.F., it was rewarding to watch the fishing folks in the
Ejido at Bahia de Los Angeles a while back deal with the Escalera Nautica. They wrote a great very detailed letter regarding what they expected and
what they didn?t. They insisted that the DF folks running the show agreed that a significant number of jobs be left for locals and that the community
there was influenced in a way they could live with. Apparently the Government tried to bluff the DF folks and the DF folks, not knowing the area,
threatened to move their plans to the next bay north, Bahia Guadalupe. Well, the locals told them to go ahead, move their project to Guadalupe.
I?ve spent significant time in Bahia Guadalupe, both on the land and on the water. While it?s a pretty place and very isolated, the wind howls
constantly. There is something in the configuration of the peninsula that draws wind there. So the locals knew what they were doing and the DF folks
hadn?t a clue.
This story has been iterated so many times and changed slightly, but it?s great to hear about the locals winning over the big bucks folks and getting
what they wanted: to keep the village pretty much as it is now.
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Desertbull
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Ahhhhhh...the road to LA Bay!
Yesterday we ran from San Felipe to LA Bay and wow...the road is fast and beautiful..sorry for the good road report Bufeo...but its really pretty
sweet.
At Coco's we followed the RC and the wash is in great shape and looks beautiful as the prerunning has smoothed out the roads...
Currently, we are parked at Camp Gecko overlooking the bay...running 5 laptop off my Wireless MotoSat...but more importantly to you guys is the
update.
Weather Temp - 69 degrees
Skys - Slight cloud cover
Water Temp - 75 degrees
Few people at Camp Gecko-Doc is not
and...all is bueno and Debra's palapa is available and I've delivered two boxes of Central Valley's finest grape drink awaiting her arrival...
[Edited on 11-14-2004 by Desertbull]
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FrankO
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Killin me
rub it in a little deeper.
Union thug.
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Desertbull
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Had drinks on your porch last night...I owe you one....hahhhh...lol
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capt. mike
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Hey Tim
sure wish we could have hooked sat nite in mulege, you still have BB and Sergio on board? where you going to be thurs eve?
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
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