The race is the super bowl of Baja California and every one knows whats going on. It's Thrilling to some of us and most people are hyper vigilant on
the days surrounding the event. I doubt this person was on a tortilla run and had been caught off guard by the race, more likely a spectator that just
HAD to be that close....... to death in this case and luring minors into a false sense of security. The fact is some people have a disregard for
racers, bystanders and their own lives and THATS DISGUSTING Dogs.
P.S. If you don't like swimming stay out of the water........... some of us love it !
I am not a fan of offroad racing for lots of reasons, but we have many friends both gringo and Mexican who love it and it would be impossible to
police the entire course; it just won't happen and there will continue to be accidents.
Over and over we have seen spectators not being careful and taking very dangerous risks, and we have seen drivers engaged in very unsafe driving
especially in Ensenada.
There are problems on both sides that do not include everyone involved.
A viewer of the Baja 500 that is not identified died this day after being hit and killed by one of the cars of race cars in the BAJA 500 yesterday.
Besides the adult injured an 8-year-old relative of the deceased was not.
The crash site is out of the Colonia Popular 89, where shortly before a dangerous curve where the accident occurred, the retaining wall had been moved
by one of the cars.
Also others had skidded, despite which, keep spectators away from protected areas invaded the area crossed by the race cars which led to the tragedy.
The race car driver named Kevin Price (1610), from San Jose California, was arrested while they undertake the necessary inquiries.
Writer doesn't seem to have a real up-beat attitude about race safety in general or the incident in particular - like the fact that landowner's
grandma had to move because of the annual danger.
I am neither a Fan Nor a Foe of the races, For the most part the core bunch of the racers seem to be well organized and well financed. The trouble
lies with the Wannabe's from both sides of the border Racing around in their Hatchet Job trucks and cars with no respect for the law or safety of the
general public.trying to appear as part of the event.
If you watch the races in the rest of the world even in the State's with all the Engineering and Safety percaution's in place Spectators get killed
and Injured .
Life is already dirt cheap in much of the world. In my grand daughter's life time sea level rise will displace 150 million people around the Indian
sub-continent alone. I predict that life will get cheaper and cheaper. Blood sport seems to be on the rise. In America we can make a good judgement
about a person's race by the type of weapon used to murder them! (Handguns for blacks, semi-auto long guns for hispanics, and shotguns for whites:
FBI)
Life is cheap, and half of all Americans believe they are going to rapture before they would naturally die. (Pew)
Is Mexico much different? Will the family wail in shame that they didn't teach their kids not to play in race traffic, or simply sob Vaya con Dios.
They will suffer. I'm sorry for that.
I think there are sociological reasons behind people watching a race from the outside of a curve. I think Dawkins would agree that the reptilian brain
( and we all have at least one of those) KNOWS better than to fight a fast moving car. This may not be explained by any crude form of Darwinianism.
I judge that conspicuous consumption is rare in the Mexican culture, and when it comes to a dirt road near them...
like moths to a flame they come, and with predictable results.
[Edited on 6-2-2013 by vgabndo]
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
Originally posted by vgabndo
Life is cheap, and half of all Americans believe they are going to rapture before they would naturally die. (Pew)
"rapture"--------the state of being carried away with joy or love
Please explain your "Pew" reference above---------I would hope that ALL people would experience "rapture" many times "before they die". How is this
connected to why people would risk everything to be in obvious harms way? Is it THAT exciting??
Personally, when I have watched a desert race, I am constantly horrified that somebody is going to crash right in front of me. I don't go to the
races anymore because of this fear.
I think he's referring to a Pew Study, not a smelling pew. =)
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by vgabndo
Life is cheap, and half of all Americans believe they are going to rapture before they would naturally die. (Pew)
"rapture"--------the state of being carried away with joy or love
Please explain your "Pew" reference above---------I would hope that ALL people would experience "rapture" many times "before they die". How is this
connected to why people would risk everything to be in obvious harms way? Is it THAT exciting??
Personally, when I have watched a desert race, I am constantly horrified that somebody is going to crash right in front of me. I don't go to the
races anymore because of this fear.
It seems these tragic accidents are - and always will be - part of off-road racing unless they decide to change drastically the way it looks - US or
MX. Don't know if the fans would tolerate it. Here's an article about a VERY serious accident from 2010 here in SoCal. Eight killed.
This video of that horrible mishap gives you general idea of the "Road Warrior" atmosphere. Note spectators attempting to self-police and regulate
over-enthusiastic/drunk fans (with little success).
Hate to see this, but going to be very hard to police, most the people
love it down there. we watch the same thing last sept. in San Quitin.
there were flag men at the crossing, but the people would not listen!
very sorry for the family
Originally posted by liknbaja127
Hate to see this, but going to be very hard to police, most the people
love it down there. we watch the same thing last sept. in San Quitin.
there were flag men at the crossing, but the people would not listen!
very sorry for the family
Seems to me the promoters (and racers) are responsible. Or is that why they (gringos) run races in Mexico, because in USA people are held responsible
for their intentional or unintentional actions and in Mexico you are allowed to man slaughter with little or no penalty?
P.s. are gringos promoters immune from liability in USA courts if they create and advertise the races from their homes in USA? How do promoters get
insurance for these events? Seems with a death rate of 1 to 2 people per year or per race they would be uninsurable, eh?
Originally posted by liknbaja127
Hate to see this, but going to be very hard to police, most the people
love it down there. we watch the same thing last sept. in San Quitin.
there were flag men at the crossing, but the people would not listen!
very sorry for the family
Seems to me the promoters (and racers) are responsible. Or is that why they (gringos) run races in Mexico, because in USA people are held responsible
for their intentional or unintentional actions and in Mexico you are allowed to man slaughter with little or no penalty?
P.s. are gringos promoters immune from liability in USA courts if they create and advertise the races from their homes in USA? How do promoters get
insurance for these events? Seems with a death rate of 1 to 2 people per year or per race they would be uninsurable, eh?
[Edited on 6-4-2013 by mtgoat666]
man slaughter...you're really reaching...like for your ankles
Seems to me the promoters (and racers) are responsible. Or is that why they (gringos) run races in Mexico, because in USA people are held responsible
for their intentional or unintentional actions and in Mexico you are allowed to man slaughter with little or no penalty?
P.s. are gringos promoters immune from liability in USA courts if they create and advertise the races from their homes in USA? How do promoters get
insurance for these events? Seems with a death rate of 1 to 2 people per year or per race they would be uninsurable, eh?
There were some fans killed at a race just a few years back up in Johnson Valley when a car went off-course.
Stuff happens.
Out on Highway 62, we lose a pedestrian now and then who fails the Darwin test.
And, of course, the Usual Suspects respond with a cry for more signals, though we seem to lose them (crossers) at the same rate as back when
there were NO signals.
One of the last daredevils squashed was just a short distance from an existing signal.
Originally posted by liknbaja127
Hate to see this, but going to be very hard to police, most the people
love it down there. we watch the same thing last sept. in San Quitin.
there were flag men at the crossing, but the people would not listen!
very sorry for the family
Seems to me the promoters (and racers) are responsible. Or is that why they (gringos) run races in Mexico, because in USA people are held responsible
for their intentional or unintentional actions and in Mexico you are allowed to man slaughter with little or no penalty?
P.s. are gringos promoters immune from liability in USA courts if they create and advertise the races from their homes in USA? How do promoters get
insurance for these events? Seems with a death rate of 1 to 2 people per year or per race they would be uninsurable, eh?
[Edited on 6-4-2013 by mtgoat666]
man slaughter...you're really reaching...like for your ankles
Well, I don't watch racing, so really don't care, but here's my 2 cents,...
It seems like criminally negligent involuntary manslaughter. Racers and promoters know their activities are unsafe and they disregard caution and
maintain high speed among spectators close to course. Really, the drivers are the pros who have not been drinking, they should show more
responsibility than the drunks along the course. Involuntary manslaughter. PREVENTABLE death. If promoter cannot create a course that drivers can
drive safely without murdering spectators, then the drivers are to blame for racing in conditions they clearly know are unsafe to people near road.
Ultimately, the driver is responsible, and he can slow when he sees unsafe conditions,... The drivers know they are driving unsafe lay, they are
ultimately at fault when they kill someone. It's not like they don't know, it has happened many times before.
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