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Ken Bondy
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Gorgeous place, beautifully photographed. Bravo Diane!!!
carpe diem!
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Barry, I understand Diane's reluctance in the Postpile area. The whole Red's Meadow/Rainbow Falls/Postpile area is such a zoo now, with the mandatory
shuttles (for some!) and all. Now, its been a few years but the shuttles are still mandatory, aren't they, unless you have camping, packing
reservations or a trailhead permit? Or, I believe you can drive in in a private car before a certain hour of the morning.
It's fallen victim to being too beautiful and too accessible.
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Sad, but I am sure you are right, Hook. It's been years since I have actually been there to Reds Meadow. (like 30 years + - ?)
Barry
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How I would fish this spot
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Where are the fish:
1. The dark shoal below the creek should have some fish looking for drifting bugs.
2. A few other brookies should be patrolling the shallows on the left feeding on insects on the bottom.
3. The largest amount of trout will be on the dropoff from the left margin to where the grass starts. Don't bother fishing past the grass.
Fishing the area:
It's critical to not step into the water where the picture was taken. Trout sense the disturbance, see the floating sediment, and flee for cover. You
may as well leave. Your fishing is over before it started.
Start out with a floating line with a really long leader and a #18 Parachute Adams. Kneel on the bank just to the left of the camera. Cast down the
creek to the shoal below but pull back at the end of the cast so that the fly ends up where the creek just starts to empty into the shallows. Let fly
drift all the way to the ledge before picking it up and repeating the cast. Something should rise and pick it off the surface. The bigger fish may be
along along the grass bank. We're talking about 8" fish here.
After they stop rising to the dry fly back off and switch to a slow sinking clear line with a shorter leader. Tie on #16 nymph pattern. I like a
pheasant tail soft hackle. Walk out into the water to the left of the picture. Cast across the shoal parallel to the bank and retrieve in quick 1 inch
strips. This could get 1 or 2 fish. Wade out to the edge of the shoal and cast on the very edge of the shoal. Let sink to bottom and use slow
hand-twist retrieve. Lengthen the casts until you cross the inflow to the grassy edge. Let the water flow carry the line across the edge as it sinks
on the long casts. Most of the catch will be on at the far end of your cast.
Finally, cast fly 20 feet into blue water past the ledge and let sink to bottom (count to 30). Drag fly along the bottom up the slope of the ledge.
Trout love to follow it until it's about to enter the shallows. Then they'll hit it.
Thank you for these moments of vicarious pleasure.
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DianaT
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Thanks Ken for the nice comment, it is appreciated.
Igor, you painted a beautiful picture, thank you. 
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Thanks for the preview Diane---that's where we're headed this weekend!
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexitron
Thanks for the preview Diane---that's where we're headed this weekend! |
ENJOY --- take lots of pictures.
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DianaT
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Major Controversy in this Area
Major Controversy in this area that could affect those of you who love this area.
The Forest Service wants to declare almost 2 million acres as critical habitat for three endangered amphibians --- mainly the High Mountain Yellow
Legged Frog. This would include the Rock Creek Area, the Bishop Creek water shed, Big Pine watershed, Onion Valley and more.
POSSIBLE results for the local area. And these are just possibilities. They are really down on the the stocking of trout because this frog has a 2
year tadpole stage.
1. No more planting of trout
2. No more grazing permits
3. No more pack trains
4. The closure of some areas to everyone.
Of course, IF it all happens, it would create real economic problems for this area that depends a lot on the tourists.
Nothing has been finalized, and as you can imagine, people around here are fighting it including the Inyo County Supervisors. For anyone
interested, here is a link to more information and a place to comment.
http://www.inyoplanning.org/projects/USFW_YellowLeggedFrog.htm
Personally, I have some very mixed feelings about all of this. Just thought some of you might be interested
[Edited on 6-23-2013 by DianaT]
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Barry A.
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"interested" is putting it mildly!!! I had not heard this before.
In my opinion, the US Forest Service's priotities have always been problematic, but this latest proposal is absurd!!!! It would crush the local
economy of an area that has suffered for years due to LA's removal of most of the water from the area, and ownership & control of much of the land
in Owens Valley--------just crazy, and all to protect a FROG, etc.?????? Nuts!!!! It would put several business's OUT OF BUSINESS, period.
Barry
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
"interested" is putting it mildly!!! I had not heard this before.
In my opinion, the US Forest Service's priotities have always been problematic, but this latest proposal is absurd!!!! It would crush the local
economy of an area that has suffered for years due to LA's removal of most of the water from the area, and ownership & control of much of the land
in Owens Valley--------just crazy, and all to protect a FROG, etc.?????? Nuts!!!! It would put several business's OUT OF BUSINESS, period.
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I am surprised that you had not heard about this. Did you look at the website and read the letter from the Inyo County Supervisors?
They are accepting comments up to 9PM tomorrow on that website. While I said I have mixed feelings about some things, I really do think this is
major over kill --- 2 million acres? So you might want to post your comments.
The Forest Service does a lot of good, but there are the ones who would really like to fence all access to the Sierra Nevada that is more than 2 miles
or so off of 395. Balance is not in their vocabulary.
I will u2u you about the Fish and Game sting operation on opening weekend that caused major push back!
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willardguy
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the link doesnt work?
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
the link doesnt work? |
I think I fixed it --- thanks
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
... just crazy, and all to protect a FROG, etc.?????? Nuts!!!!
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Unfortunately it's not about A frog.
The disease killing these frogs is the same one that's wiped out most of the frogs in the tropical rain forests of Costa Rica. These colorful animals
were responsible for some of the ecotourism in that country. Can't remember where I read it but they are hoping that some individuals have the genetic
makeup to resist the pathogen and the populations will bounce back.
I'm not sure how these measures will provide protection from this disease.
http://www.mylfrog.info/threats/disease.html
As for predation. They should just isolate certain lakes that have poor recreational value, rotetone(?) them, and reintroduce the frogs. But that's
just a simplistic opinion from just a few readings. We've done this for pike eradication. Perhaps the same can be done for them as well.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
"interested" is putting it mildly!!! I had not heard this before.
In my opinion, the US Forest Service's priotities have always been problematic, but this latest proposal is absurd!!!! It would crush the local
economy of an area that has suffered for years due to LA's removal of most of the water from the area, and ownership & control of much of the land
in Owens Valley--------just crazy, and all to protect a FROG, etc.?????? Nuts!!!! It would put several business's OUT OF BUSINESS, period.
Barry |
I am surprised that you had not heard about this. Did you look at the website and read the letter from the Inyo County Supervisors?
They are accepting comments up to 9PM tomorrow on that website. While I said I have mixed feelings about some things, I really do think this is
major over kill --- 2 million acres? So you might want to post your comments.
The Forest Service does a lot of good, but there are the ones who would really like to fence all access to the Sierra Nevada that is more than 2 miles
or so off of 395. Balance is not in their vocabulary.
I will u2u you about the Fish and Game sting operation on opening weekend that caused major push back! |
I have already mailed my views into the Inyo Country Planning Dept. a few mins. ago------thank you , Diana, for the "link". It worked fine for me.
Now I will open your U2u.
SkipJack--------thank you for the additional info on this------interesting to say the least. I need to know more, obviously.
Barry
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Perhaps we could reintroduce sheep grazing to the High Sierra Backcountry, and reopen the Morgan Pass ROAD (Little Lakes Valley "trail") to tungsten
mining truck traffic.
Not all closures and changes in land use are necessarily bad.
Many parts of the southern sierra already have seasonal closures for Bighorn Sheep.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
... just crazy, and all to protect a FROG, etc.?????? Nuts!!!!
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Unfortunately it's not about A frog.
The disease killing these frogs is the same one that's wiped out most of the frogs in the tropical rain forests of Costa Rica. These colorful animals
were responsible for some of the ecotourism in that country. Can't remember where I read it but they are hoping that some individuals have the genetic
makeup to resist the pathogen and the populations will bounce back.
I'm not sure how these measures will provide protection from this disease.
http://www.mylfrog.info/threats/disease.html
As for predation. They should just isolate certain lakes that have poor recreational value, rotetone(?) them, and reintroduce the frogs. But that's
just a simplistic opinion from just a few readings. We've done this for pike eradication. Perhaps the same can be done for them as well.
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The report does talk about disease and also the effect climate change is having. It says less about adverse effects of recreation which is what is
upsetting so many people because of the POSSIBLE effect tourism. I am in favor of protecting endangered species and stopping the spread of disease,
but two million acres really does seem like overkill, IMHO. It did say something about the damage fishermen do to lake shores needs to be studied as
to how it degrades the environment. There just needs to be a balance and I hope they can find common ground.
The planting of fish has always been controversial as this practice wiped out native trout. There are people who want to see it stop for other
reasons than this protection plan.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bwana_John
Perhaps we could reintroduce sheep grazing to the High Sierra Backcountry, and reopen the Morgan Pass ROAD (Little Lakes Valley "trail") to tungsten
mining truck traffic.
Not all closures and changes in land use are necessarily bad.
Many parts of the southern sierra already have seasonal closures for Bighorn Sheep. |
Some of those closures are being lifted in Sheep area. And I fully agree that not all closures are bad. For example, it is great to see the work
they have done in the Whites to block off former roads and places where off-roaders created roads. Same is happening in the Sierras off the main dirt
roads many spurs are closed to vehicles. I just would not want to see overkill in blocking off the back country to people. Now frankly, and this
is not a popular thought around here, I don't like the horses in the back country or the grazing.
As you know, there many former mining roads in the Sierra that are now hiking trails, and that is a good thing!
It will be interesting to see what they decide.
[Edited on 6-23-2013 by DianaT]
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prohibiting grazing is usually beneficial for the land. i have seen so many public lands damaged by over grazing, really a shame!
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
prohibiting grazing is usually beneficial for the land. i have seen so many public lands damaged by over grazing, really a shame!
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Over grazing is not good. However, there is one person who is arguing that grazing is GOOD for the frogs because it keeps the grass shorter and makes
it easier for the little frogs.
I have no idea if that makes any sense at all.
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I believe that grazing must always be first to be addressed. Anyone who has spent a lot of time flying across the western US knows that it is possible
to see a barbed wire fence from as high as 40,000 feet.
More accurately, the effect of the fence. The grazed side is the deader looking side. I've had a lot of claustrophobic hours (first coach window seat
ahead of the wing, shady side depending on East or Westbound.) to study and reinforce my conclusion. 
I find it difficult to recognize the scope of the damage at ground level. Except...
We have lots of lakes around here. The frogs used to be deafening sometimes. Not really ever anymore.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Feed lots ........... just saying
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