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No. Gringos living in Mexico are not the reason there are hospitals, doctors, fire services, stores and restaurants. They would have these things
anyways Do gringos contribute, yes a little(although I know of people, including some on this forum that bring their own food down).
| Quote: | Originally posted by cessna821
Do gringos living in Mexico contribute to the actual welfare of the community they live in?
Would fish camps grow into villages? Would there still be hospitals, doctors, fire services, stores and restaurants in small towns if there were no
gringo residents or snowbirds around? Or would towns prefer to become sleepy villages and villages become fish camps again?
Do Mexicans prefer to live in isolation from the rest of the world or do they prefer the services that are provided when the population can support
them? Money spent by gringos on home maintenance and cleaning, in restaurants, stores, workshops and gas stations circulates ..... surely?
Shari? Bianca? Osprey? What do you think? Do your locals enjoy the benefits or disdain them? |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by cessna821
Do gringos living in Mexico contribute to the actual welfare of the community they live in?
Would fish camps grow into villages? Would there still be hospitals, doctors, fire services, stores and restaurants in small towns if there were no
gringo residents or snowbirds around? Or would towns prefer to become sleepy villages and villages become fish camps again?
Do Mexicans prefer to live in isolation from the rest of the world or do they prefer the services that are provided when the population can support
them? Money spent by gringos on home maintenance and cleaning, in restaurants, stores, workshops and gas stations circulates ..... surely?
Shari? Bianca? Osprey? What do you think? Do your locals enjoy the benefits or disdain them? |
Some do and some don't. The "hospital" was in Asuncion before the gringos started to arrive. In many ways, gringos have not made that much
difference, except there are more restaurants; all small and limited in what they serve.
This, please, in no way to to pass any judgement or opinion, but just to set out some of what has happened to a place like Bahia Asuncion.
When the town became a town, people more or less claimed what lots they wanted and built houses. The land was owned by the town and the owners were
supposed to pay for the land --- some did and some did not. There are still many, many homes there where the owner has never finished paying for the
land. But the land was valued at a set price per square meter.
As the town started becoming more of a tourist place with more gringos arriving, including us, the Mulege Municipality reappraised the land and what
had been sold before at 20 pesos a square meter in some areas, went up to 200.00 pesos. The increase was not the same everywhere. And there was more
pressure for the locals to finish paying for their land; fortunately at the old price.
It was quite an increase for the locals. Also, there has been much conflict and anger when new areas have been opened up for purchase, or older lots
were put on the market by the town because the town preferred to sell to gringos who had cash and would not be making payments. And there is more
that probably should not be discussed, but let's just say, it has not always been above board.
Just a few years ago, a small house in town could be bought for $5000.00 and it is at least 4 times the price now. Rents have also changed a lot.
While there were not a lot of places for rent, the prices have increased partially because gringos are willing to pay so much more.
Those are some of the changes that can make it difficult for the locals who are not in the chain of benefiting from the new money arriving.
Fortunately, when the town decided to create new lots in front of our house we were good friends with the then delegado so he waited for us to arrive
in town and would not sell to to some others who wanted to buy it and then probably sell it back to us. It was not long before we arrived and then we
quickly informed the Farley's as to what was happening and asked the delegado to wait for them and he did. It could have been a real mess
Yes there are a few who have profited from the increase in the gringo population, but it is a fishing village with most people working for the co-ops
and unless they have a second business, they don't profit at all.
We have many friends in Asuncion and they were and are very accepting of our family, even the ones who are not happy with the changes. And that is
true for most of the other gringos who have bought property in Asuncion. It is a mixed bag for sure. But the majority of the population does not
prosper from the gringos.
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We usually shop in local stores, eat at the diners and taco stands, donate to quincenaros, help the ball teams, hirer local labor and builders all the
time, have a grounds keeper, donate coats and clothing, pay my taxes, etc. Monetarily, I have put alot of money into that community and try my
best to be a good citizen and friend to the locals. So yes, I think gringos can contribute a great deal to a community without causing undo stress to
the local environments. There will always be bad seeds in any group of people but so far I think Bahia Asuncion has been pretty lucky with the
newcomers.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by treuboff
More Gringos, Just who I wanted to visit. Can't wait for them to put out their flags and build their fences on the beaches install more gates to
protect them from the Mexicans they don't want in their neighborhoods back home. I have seen them do it just leasing. |
You don't get it. Just move your understanding arse into a community that isn't housed by Mexicans with AmEx cards, and you'll see what you're worth
down here.
Oh...yeah....have a locking cap on your gas tank.
And....quit calling us gringos. It aint nice....a-hole.
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What about blocking beach access? Seems there's tons of places that are inaccessible to the public in the Rosarito to Salsipuedes area. That sucks.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
We usually shop in local stores, eat at the diners and taco stands, donate to quincenaros, help the ball teams, hirer local labor and builders all the
time, have a grounds keeper, donate coats and clothing, pay my taxes, etc. Monetarily, I have put alot of money into that community and try my
best to be a good citizen and friend to the locals. So yes, I think gringos can contribute a great deal to a community without causing undo stress to
the local environments. There will always be bad seeds in any group of people but so far I think Bahia Asuncion has been pretty lucky with the
newcomers. |
Most, of course not all, of the gringos in Asuncion do the same and are friends with many locals and liked by many. But that does not change the big
picture. And it is the big picture many of the locals do not like.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ateo
What about blocking beach access? Seems there's tons of places that are inaccessible to the public in the Rosarito to Salsipuedes area. That sucks.
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What's "beach access" mean? Through private property? Does it mean you can walk through a persons house or over his property because you feel you
have a "right to beach access"?
Lemmee 'splain something.....it doesn't. The surfer on a quest for the big wave doesn't pay the taxes.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ateo
Well, it seems a no brainer from an economic standpoint. |
To the majority of Mexicans, there is no economic standpoint. To them, it would be like the US selling the Liberty Bell. |
Or like when the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock
they said, "Gee, this is beautiful land!"
and the Indians said, "Yes, and it's all free,"
and the Pilgrims said, "Great! We'll take it!"
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ateo
Well, it seems a no brainer from an economic standpoint. |
To the majority of Mexicans, there is no economic standpoint. To them, it would be like the US selling the Liberty Bell. |
Or like when the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock
they said, "Gee, this is beautiful land!"
and the Indians said, "Yes, and it's all free,"
and the Pilgrims said, "Great! We'll take it!" |
Recording please...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
We usually shop in local stores, eat at the diners and taco stands, donate to quincenaros, help the ball teams, hirer local labor and builders all the
time, have a grounds keeper, donate coats and clothing, pay my taxes, etc. Monetarily, I have put alot of money into that community and try my
best to be a good citizen and friend to the locals. So yes, I think gringos can contribute a great deal to a community without causing undo stress to
the local environments. There will always be bad seeds in any group of people but so far I think Bahia Asuncion has been pretty lucky with the
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so do the other ?000 habitants....makes you a pretty small percentage, doesn't it?
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Of course investment will benefit Mexicans but not equally. Those that own land will benefit the most while those that do not will struggle. To
assume that only gringos will buy land in Mexico is absurd. Many of the people purchasing lots and driving up prices in Bahia Asuncion are Mexicans.
I think that allowing foreigners to own land will allow great liquidity with regards to real estate and thus all will benefit.
And Redmesa, I'm sure your contributions are appreciated and they do add up. To say otherwise is ignorant.
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Right you are rt but I think it is the new money and the amount of it that is brought in from visitors and new residents that helps a community. A
little influx of pesos goes along way in Bahia Asuncion. I have lived in small communities in Canada that have wilted when the major employer shrunk
and I have lived in other communities and have seen them erupt with development and prosperity when the population grows. So not all growth is bad
and there are many friends in Bahia Asuncion that are really looking forward to new development and love interacting with new people. I am not sure I
would personally like to see our village change but it certainly seems to going that way.
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What good is the public's right to Mexican beaches to go for a swim if some billionaire buys coastal property and won't allow anyone to reach the
beach?
As you see in many places in San Diego, there are stairs in between every few homes or every block for public access.
This doesn't happen everywhere, but it should.
Bottom line is beach access (which ties into this thread about Mexican beaches) is total BS in the border corridor. Large swaths of the coast are
inaccessible to most Mexicans, and us gringo surfers.
It's an example of how not to do it.
Cheers!
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What about blocking beach access? Seems there's tons of places that are inaccessible to the public in the Rosarito to Salsipuedes area. That sucks.
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What's "beach access" mean? Through private property? Does it mean you can walk through a persons house or over his property because you feel you
have a "right to beach access"?
Lemmee 'splain something.....it doesn't. The surfer on a quest for the big wave doesn't pay the taxes. |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ateo
Well, it seems a no brainer from an economic standpoint. |
To the majority of Mexicans, there is no economic standpoint. To them, it would be like the US selling the Liberty Bell. |
Or like when the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock
they said, "Gee, this is beautiful land!"
and the Indians said, "Yes, and it's all free,"
and the Pilgrims said, "Great! We'll take it!" |
Recording please... |
And I learned today that the only reason they landed there is they were out of beer. They had exhausted their water supply, and once out of beer
decided to head to shore.
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Shak, my friend. Think about what would happen to Asuncion if its major employer went away!
| Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
Right you are rt but I think it is the new money and the amount of it that is brought in from visitors and new residents that helps a community. A
little influx of pesos goes along way in Bahia Asuncion. I have lived in small communities in Canada that have wilted when the major employer shrunk
and I have lived in other communities and have seen them erupt with development and prosperity when the population grows. So not all growth is bad
and there are many friends in Bahia Asuncion that are really looking forward to new development and love interacting with new people. I am not sure I
would personally like to see our village change but it certainly seems to going that way. |
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and to think you contribute too much is arrogance.
Most Mexicans in my community (which has a larger Gringo population than Asuncion) is worried about liquidity. I would be willing to bet its the
Gringo population in Asuncion that is overwhelmingly worried about it as well.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
Of course investment will benefit Mexicans but not equally. Those that own land will benefit the most while those that do not will struggle. To
assume that only gringos will buy land in Mexico is absurd. Many of the people purchasing lots and driving up prices in Bahia Asuncion are Mexicans.
I think that allowing foreigners to own land will allow great liquidity with regards to real estate and thus all will benefit.
And Redmesa, I'm sure your contributions are appreciated and they do add up. To say otherwise is ignorant. |
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It is only fair that they remove the FIDO and that particular regime that exists to take the yearly fees. The banks which are mostly foreign owned
take that money and don't reinvest it in mexico.
If people are encouraged and feel secure to buy homes, condos, and lots with title and free of a FIDO then it will be a financial boom for locals and
those involved in construction, retail, etc.
It's called progress and regardless of what one feels about growth and development, locals would like to provide for their families and that takes
money from jobs created from those new homeowners which you would not have had with the current law.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
Of course investment will benefit Mexicans but not equally. Those that own land will benefit the most while those that do not will struggle.
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Why "struggle" more than usual. A man with no assets has no assets to sell. Maybe the new proprietor will give him a job...or by "equally"...do you
mean they should share? Even out the wealth?
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Who said they contributed too much? I only wish I had more to give. I totally love Bahia Asuncion and the people there.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
Who said they contributed too much? I only wish I had more to give. I totally love Bahia Asuncion and the people there. |
No one, and I am sure you do. But put things in perspective our, yes me too, contribution is just a fraction of the total. For example, do you
know what the contribution in wages and income of the COOP is to your town? The majority of people in our town are just hoping for a good Lobster
season. Property titles are way low on their priority list.
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