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EdZeranski
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Wait a minute esse!
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.......... it is not in your best interest to be caught doing something illegal and be in the country illegally. |
Only north of the border where that give you sainted status 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chippy
Well what do you expect from a "bayliner" owner? |
I'd hate to trade this bad boy for a few
fish and the cost of a license! (from BD)
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bajacalifornian
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I believe I saw Bill headed eastbound on my way to Lopez Thursday.
The townsfolk of Lopez are peeed, as am I & friends who were chatting about.
American by birth, Mexican by choice.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajacalifornian
I believe I saw Bill headed eastbound on my way to Lopez Thursday.
The townsfolk of Lopez are peeed, as am I & friends who were chatting about. |
what are the locals
saying?
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To be accurate, I spoke with no specific local about the incident.
Hearsay from well rooted Americans who are founded with neighbors would be:
1) Americans hold Mexicans guilty of lacking understanding . . . of conservation.
2) The animals are not there to be sleighed in waist, or left dead on the beach.
3) Show our land respect . . . sort of thing.
American by birth, Mexican by choice.
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These are the same locals who scour beaches, seemingly anticipating a red tide.
They pick up hundreds of kilos of healthy meat, the last moments of circulatory and respiratory distress.
American by birth, Mexican by choice.
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Well, shame on that guy for ignoring Mexican limits and regs and license requirements................the way the Mexicans do. 
I dont condone it but there's 50 Mexicans flaunting regs over here for every gringo that does. Overlimits on dorado is probably the most common.
A lot of Mexicans dont set a very good example in their own country. Especially the commercial guys. And it's not just the giant seiners/trawlers.
There are pangueros over here setting inshore gill nets and floating long lines offshore. Boy, one of those will ruin your evening, during a
night-time crossing of the Sea!
The way the regs are ignored and go unenforced just encourages others to do it, too. The old "I gotta get mine, 'cause everyone else is" mentality.
Another casualty of the poor enforcement of regs in Mexico.
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it's like that on this side too, Hook! nobody cares about tomorrow.....
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Nearly everytime I go out fishing....I am guilty of over-limits.
15 to 20 macks or bigeyes in the tank for two anglers......busted!!!
Unless certain fishies have no limits???
[Edited on 10-20-2013 by DaliDali]
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before limets
I would catch what I could eat in two days and some for other campers..I have seen guys of all races go and kill everthing they could !! SOO Wrong !!
And Willard guy...That boat is a I/O...aka not that good for the Salt... and not too long ago you could not go into a shop in SJ or cabo and have
bottles and bottles of turtle lotion.. if you really want to see fire,, lets,, start talking about shark fins and liver....JEEEEZZ !!!....K&T
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| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
I would catch what I could eat in two days and some for other campers..I have seen guys of all races go and kill everthing they could !! SOO Wrong !!
And Willard guy...That boat is a I/O...aka not that good for the Salt... and not too long ago you could not go into a shop in SJ or cabo and have
bottles and bottles of turtle lotion.. if you really want to see fire,, lets,, start talking about shark fins and liver....JEEEEZZ !!!....K&T
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from a different angle cappy!
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captkw
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"Suffering Suckatash"
Me bad...I just took a quik glance and made the first mistke this year !!! and If you belive that ?...Wanna buy a cheap time share in cabo....LOL PS.. suks ARE good Motors IMO...K&T Who's for dinner !!
[Edited on 10-20-2013 by captkw]
[Edited on 10-20-2013 by captkw]
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
Nearly everytime I go out fishing....I am guilty of over-limits.
15 to 20 macks or bigeyes in the tank for two anglers......busted!!!
Unless certain fishies have no limits???
[Edited on 10-20-2013 by DaliDali] |
Ha!!! I never thought about that! I guess I am guilty of that, too.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Well, shame on that guy for ignoring Mexican limits and regs and license requirements................the way the Mexicans do.
I dont condone it but there's 50 Mexicans flaunting regs over here for every gringo that does. Overlimits on dorado is probably the most common.
A lot of Mexicans dont set a very good example in their own country. Especially the commercial guys. And it's not just the giant seiners/trawlers.
There are pangueros over here setting inshore gill nets and floating long lines offshore. Boy, one of those will ruin your evening, during a
night-time crossing of the Sea!
The way the regs are ignored and go unenforced just encourages others to do it, too. The old "I gotta get mine, 'cause everyone else is" mentality.
Another casualty of the poor enforcement of regs in Mexico.
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Not to make value judgements here, or to be reverse racist or anything, as I am an americana... but many of the local fishermen here are following a
tradition set by generations. They have no other way to support their families, and it is their history and culture that the sea will take care of
them. So they continue to do what they know how to do to provide for their families. It isn't like they can just move on to another job-- this is
what they know. Poco a poco they are learning that marine life is finite, and that it is in their best long run interest to tighten the already tight
belts and follow the new rules.
But foreigners who go over limit do so to take a big cooler of fish home to impress their friends, and probably end up throwing much of it away. It
is not an economic necessity, they could buy the fish for waaaaaayyyyyyyyyy less than it costs to catch it. And if they just enjoy the sport, they
can catch and release.
Both behaviors are destructive and counterproductive, one is understandalbe, the other is inexcusable.
Oh, and by the way, as to the 50 to 1 ratio thing... there may be 50 Mexican fishermen to every gringo. Let's hope so!
[Edited on 10-20-2013 by Paula]
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BN,,paulina and any fisherman
We all know that's its NOT a thin line between rape and sport and catch what you can !!>>>>>>>>I don't have the answer to fix
it all>> but,,,,,,,,,,,The More ,,folks talk ,,the better !!! LETS ,MAKE A great PLACE FOR THE NEXT GEN,,,no ??????
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Well, shame on that guy for ignoring Mexican limits and regs and license requirements................the way the Mexicans do.
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Big difference. Many Mexicans follow the rules. Many Mexicans fish for a living. The gringos fish for fun.
This gringo has fished Mexico for a long time and should know better!
practice catch and release!
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There are limits for sports fishermen. Until quotas are placed on the commercial fishermen the fish stocks in the SOC and the Pacific side will
continue to decline.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
...practice catch and release! |
I'm not sure it's even practical, or ethical, to catch and release wahoo that have been caught trolling a marauder. For those who don't know, those
lures use two really large single hooks. And in my experience they can rip up a fish's mouth/jaw big time. It's not at all like sticking a fish with
a single circle hook, like the yachts at Cabo who catch and release huge numbers of marlin in a day ( not that I think it's ethical to release triple
digits of marlin either ).
Let's face it...licenses or no...too many sport fishermen kill way too many fish. There are guys that go day after day with a boat full of buddies to
harvest 5 wahoo each. Never mind the San Diego long range boats who take massive volume of fish from Mexican waters. Those big boats must take
hundreds of wahoo off those banks on just one trip. When it gets to that level it might as well be commercial fishing.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cardon Man
Never mind the San Diego long range boats who take massive volume of fish from Mexican waters. Those big boats must take hundreds of wahoo off
those banks on just one trip. When it gets to that level it might as well be commercial fishing. |
Massive volume? Got numbers for that generalization?
San Diego long range is commercial fishing and they LEGALLY pay for that right to fish the waters allowed by the Mexican government.
I understand the jealousy and contempt for the well equipped million dollar fishing machines from San Diego, but it's not like you can get to the
outter rocks on a panga...
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