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elgatoloco
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Nice conversation. Thanks.
Wife caught and released this one.
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nice color fish
I have also caught that..I think that's a "golden snapper"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gonetobaja
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
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How old do you think this one is..... 
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Wow, that's a beauty. |
Gracias Monoloco...I have to admit its the biggest one Ive ever harvested. All others were under 20kilos. These big guys seem always to be too deep
for me to get to, and landing one while freediving can be.....well.....kinda hard. You dont even really see them above 80 ft for most of the year.
Winter when it starts to get cold is when they can get up shallow every now and then. |
The pangeros at Punta
Lobos used to bring in some giant groupers in the 3-400 lb range, but I haven't seen one for years. I think they pretty much cleaned them out after
years of relentless bottom fishing and spear fishing with hookas. I actually saw a guy catch an estimated 100+ pounder with a live lisa on a hand line
from Los Cerritos point about 15 years ago.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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| Quote: | | The pangeros at Punta Lobos used to bring in some giant groupers in the 3-400 lb range, but I haven't seen one for years. I think they pretty much
cleaned them out after years of relentless bottom fishing and spear fishing with hookas. I actually saw a guy catch an estimated 100+ pounder with a
live lisa on a hand line from Los Cerritos point about 15 years ago. |
I hear ya, the hooka night spearing thing is bad stuff. We have done night surveys for SAGARPA and you can swim right up to a 100 lb fish. We see
them often on those surveys. Never 3 or 400 lbs though. Those sound like Black Sea Bass size. Out here at the Enchanted Islands there are lots of
them from 20-60 lbs. The bigger ones you dont see as much. A few times per year someone with 120 lb test, a wire leader, and a boat winch of a reel
will get lucky enough to land 70+. I think its just cause they are much harder to get. But Gulf grouper from the 20-60 lb range at these islands
and into the bay of la are common. They are just as easy to find now as they were 20 years ago to me. In fact the one in the picture was actually
harvested this year. Im not sure exactly how big it was because I never weigh or measure my fish.
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bLACK SEA BASS
I think that they are on the protected list for a Long time..besides most the guys that hook'um with line/hook almost always get "rocked"...I gave up
spear fishing long ago...I can shoot a rifle but cant hit anything with a speargun !! I have learned a lot about fish while diving and snorkeling...so cool to act like a fish !! Now ,, BUGS !! that's a nother story !!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
I think that they are on the protected list for a Long time..besides most the guys that hook'um with line/hook almost always get "rocked"...I gave up
spear fishing long ago...I can shoot a rifle but cant hit anything with a speargun !! I have learned a lot about fish while diving and snorkeling...so cool to act like a fish !! Now ,, BUGS !! that's a nother story !!!
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They are on the protected list in the USA for sure.
In Mexican waters you can harvest them legally to this day. They have never been on the no take list that I know of.
They are at the Coronado islands and down through ensenada and all the way up to Bay of Los angeles. The bigger ones are on the pacific side. Big
cows, Ive never taken one.
I love bug diving. I do that freediving too. Tis the season!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
I have also caught that..I think that's a "golden snapper" |
Capt.
The one in the pic is a true Golden Grouper.
the Golden or Yellow Snapper looks like this. Almost the exact same color. I eat those all the time. They come up shallow in the winter. they are
so dang good....I think Im gonna go get me 5 as soon as the wind mellows out....whenever that is....
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I was wrong about you, gonetobaja. You're a good man. And a reasonable one.
But I still believe that you shouldn't go after those big groupers. Enough said.
Yes, that food does look good, but I'm watching my waistline. Trying to not
reach Woody's proportions
I think your assessment of the future of the groupers at the Enchanted Islands is too optimistic. Give the new highway a few years.
You are probably right about groupers having planktonic larvae. You've never seen a female with a large school of young ones next to it's head? Like
largemouth bass?
Good day to you sir.
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Gotobaja
Hola,I'm confused (normal) is the fish up at the top here post by the spider guy a golden snapper ?? sure hope I'm not wrong about that !! will make
me rethink my fish ID'ing...LOL
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Please don't hit the Mero, If you have ever swam with them their like giant puppy dogs, no fear and no sport, to their demise on the NOB side.
Gonetobaja, nice pescado senor. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
I was wrong about you, gonetobaja. You're a good man. And a reasonable one.
But I still believe that you shouldn't go after those big groupers. Enough said.
Yes, that food does look good, but I'm watching my waistline. Trying to not
reach Woody's proportions
I think your assessment of the future of the groupers at the Enchanted Islands is too optimistic. Give the new highway a few years.
You are probably right about groupers having planktonic larvae. You've never seen a female with a large school of young ones next to it's head? Like
largemouth bass?
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Thank you Joe,
This next trip I will target only yellow snapper cause your being cool.
I have seen schools of planktonic fry at the islands. I have seen them by grouper as well. Never concentrated around their heads but close to the
entrances of the caves that they are in. this seemed to me to be only a coincidence. The fry feed off the plankton drift and the caves are located
on the outside edges of areas with current. I see the fry schools all over. They are never accompanied by a larger one attempting to protect them,
just sometimes share the same area....if that makes any sense. When the babies get bigger than a couple inches they split up and start hiding in
rocks in the shallows. From there they get bigger and then move down to the 12 ft range where all the 1- 4 lbers are. From there down to the 20ft
range and bigger caves are the 4-20lbers. I see the baby grouper all the time, they are really pretty.
Most of the fry schools were located in shallow water of 10 ft or less in areas that were protected by tidal shift somewhat, and allowed for rocky
habitat in which to hide and dart into as the school fed on what swirled in from the current. I see them alot more in the winter time till around
april.
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huh
do you mean; chino miro... aka "clown fish"??????
[Edited on 11-13-2013 by captkw]
[Edited on 11-14-2013 by captkw]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
Hola,I'm confused (normal) is the fish up at the top here post by the spider guy a golden snapper ?? sure hope I'm not wrong about that !! will make
me rethink my fish ID'ing...LOL |
Capt.
The fish that was caught and released by Gatoloco was a Golden Grouper. It has the fine scales and is a leopard grouper that looks like a glowing
banana. The one I am holding up on the left next to the grouper is a Golden or Yellow Snapper. The scales much larger, the head far more pointed.
Also it has the typical snapper like teeth in the front. Although underwater they are a brilliant orange/yellow and are almost the same color as the
golden grouper. In my area they are found in the winter in heavy rock formations. I get them to around 12 lbs.
Yellow Snapper.
Its a favorite target for my kids.
and my customers
I dont have any pics of golden grouper. That one Gatoloco let go was a golden grouper for sure. Its good luck to leave them alone.....and its BAD
luck to kill one. Another reason I dont allow them to be taken on my boat. Its not a logical reason, maybe not even sane, but I never claimed to be
either.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
do you mean; cino ____ aka "clown fish"??????
[Edited on 11-13-2013 by captkw] |
Mero, is the spanish word for Black Sea Bass. Very docile and easy to get if you know where they are. Again, I do not harvest those. The ones I
take are the Sardinera, and Baya. Or Leopard and Gulf grouper. Both of them a smaller species.
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gonetobaja,
great report. I dive out of Gonzaga, mostly at the south end by the rocks at Punta Final. Have gone to the islands a couple of times, in the summer
months, without much success. You have opened a new time line for me with what you reported concerning the winter months and the fish coming to the
more shallow depths. Which islands would you recommend and what depth are you diving at? Thanks again for a great report.
JD
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Years ago I was fishing for those yellow snappers with hook and line in the vicinity of cabo pulmo. They feed best after dusk so we usually started
after dinner.
Anyway, one of them took the bait in deep and I stuck my hand in it's mouth to get the hook out. Big Mistake! Very Big Mistake! I learned why they
call them snappers the hard way. The jaws shut like a vise on my fingers digging those canines into my hand. They have very powerful jaws. But the
worse thing was that it knew exactly what it was doing and kept opening and closing harder and harder. Any movement to pull my fingers out and he just
crushed me. I finally go my mangled hand out to the light to see. It looked like a claw by then, fingers bent at odd angles with some deep punctures
in the wrist area. Never again, I vowed.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 3464james
gonetobaja,
great report. I dive out of Gonzaga, mostly at the south end by the rocks at Punta Final. Have gone to the islands a couple of times, in the summer
months, without much success. You have opened a new time line for me with what you reported concerning the winter months and the fish coming to the
more shallow depths. Which islands would you recommend and what depth are you diving at? Thanks again for a great report.
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JD,
The winter can hold more fish. But the winter can also hold bad vis and bad weather. Its a trade off because you get less chances to make it happen
but a better chance to get fish once you get there. I am a vis hunter. Its very simple. Of all the 7 islands you never know which one is going to
hold the vis. Sometimes the places with vis are just too dangerous. The deep water currents well up full of jelly fish and such and your face gets
hammered. Also the clear water can be a result of heavy current. I never shoot fish deeper than 50 ft, cause my float line is 50 ft. This prevents
most anything from caving up beyond my reach.
Just to be clear, the currents out at the islands are nothing like the shoreline currents. In come cases its almost best to live boat people.
I recommend any of the islands where you can see past your speartip enough to get a responsible shot off. Ive learned that at a certain point, bad
vis can be to my advantage for hunting.
If you want to get to the islands you can charter our boat for $300 bucks, it will meet you at the shorline at papa fernandez or Afonsinas and take
you to the islands. from 9am to 4pm We will take you to a good spot where we would hunt. We can take 4 divers. Includes a Capt Naty, fuel, and
boat. Its a 23' Center console super panga with a 115 honda 4 stroke. But we only go out when its FLAT. even a puff of wind and we get scared.
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hard to catch fish
I was talking "chino miro" aka clown fish...maybe a lb or two at best...wire leader,, no weight and toss out part of a crab..within seconds any thing
strang..Hook set.. then you have to wait up to a minute and then yank...these lil buggers have Pic fins that are solid musle and jam them selfs in
the crevices and you think you snagged..not so..and im talking on the rocks at your feet in the wash..one of the best lil fish for eating imo...better
than trigger or sheephead and that's hard to beat...Has anyone here caght one ????? K&T
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| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
I was talking "chino miro" aka clown fish...maybe a lb or two at best...wire leader,, no weight and toss out part of a crab..within seconds any thing
strang..Hook set.. then you have to wait up to a minute and then yank...these lil buggers have Pic fins that are solid musle and jam them selfs in
the crevices and you think you snagged..not so..and im talking on the rocks at your feet in the wash..one of the best lil fish for eating imo...better
than trigger or sheephead and that's hard to beat...Has anyone here caght one ????? K&T |
Ive gotten those. They are also called giant hawkfish. Very pretty, almost looks like they are hand painted. Fillets have an almost bluish tint to
them. Great eating.
Dale
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There Ya go
cool little fish and they do look like they are hand painted..I'm thinking they are one of the rarest of Baja fish to be caught with a hook,, if at
all....have you got them with hook & line ?? Tasty and just wished they got to 20 kilos or so >>LOL
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