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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ehall
It might actually happen. Look at Rocky Point. Who would of thought high rise condos and now a cruise ship port is being built. I miss camping on the
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I agree. At one time I would have never thought Rocky Point would develop as it has. And a few year back a resident of Gonzaga Bay told me that the
pavement would never reach there, at lease not until long after she was gone. She was younger than I am, so I assume she is still kicking.
So, maybe, and maybe not. It will be interesting to watch.
[Edited on 6-3-2014 by DianaT]
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ehall
It might actually happen. Look at Rocky Point. Who would of thought high rise condos and now a cruise ship port is being built. I miss camping on the
beach there. |
We used to go to Puerto Peñasco because San Felipe was to crowded and we could get red snapper from the shore there.
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BajaRat
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
There is no international airport. There is no community to support such a investment. The SF Harbor is still not completed (all the slips are not
installed and...it took delays of years to get the fuel depot) so this new harbor will fail. Golfing.....who wants to drive 30 miles and...summer will
sunburn your azz.
This project will not happen. ....well.......maybe a fantastic entrance and a few homes :-) |
You hit it mcFez,
But I'm sure a lot of money will change hands leaving a lot of big winners and financially ruined losers.
And a desal plant, that would help finish off that section of coastline.
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wilderone
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"...important aspects that distinguish the project are:
1. – Design adapted to the natural conditions of the land, thereby allowing for the optimal use of the land in a sustainable manner.
2. – Optimal use of water, including recycling wastewater for use in landscaping and irrigation of the golf course, and the installation of a
desalination plant as a source for drinking water.
3. – Exclusion of wastewater discharge.
4. – Integrated waste management.
5. – Implementation of an architectural approach according to the characteristics of the existing environment."
They must have found some old marketing hype from Loreto Bay! Ha! Waste management - hmmmm. Where have I heard that? I think Loreto Bay trucks their
trash to Ensenada.
An architectural approach according to the characteristics of the existing environment - blah, blah, blah. What does THAT mean? They're going to have
palapas for a 19th Hole?
Optimal use of water - IS there water?
Here we go.
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MMc
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It's still gonna suck if DK can't get to his place in the sand. They will shut access to the whole area. Some of us have seen it before, I would not
wish it on anybody.
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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Sur2baja
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I have a small porthole from that very ship we removed in 1974!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sur2baja
I have a small porthole from that very ship we removed in 1974! |
Very cool!
The Franklin diesel engine and transmission was all that remained after the wood had been removed... I think I saw some it still there not long ago...
sort of a rust stain in the mud.
In 1973, my friend and I climbed up upon it and imagined to sail it away! In 1978, I tried to drive close to it from the salt flat road and slowly
sunk into the goo... Got out, using a piece of wood from the boat that was about half there!
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redhilltown
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Where...just WHERE are they going to get the water for this????
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chuckie
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Sez desal...
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The SF link has some inaccuracies because a site from the mainland documented the purchase of many properties (Campos) along the coast that included
some mentioned in the SF story. Those many properties were purchased by a one of the companies that C. Slim owns. That report was a result of
examining tax filings in Ensenada and the reporting was accurate. The Slim purchases included properties in 3 different Ejidos that I am aware of.
The Inveravante property was previously owned by Pat Butler (of Eldorado Ranch fame) and Butler's agents have been working with Inveravante for govt
approvals for many years. The major issues were approval for wells in the western canyons, marina. Waste treatment, CFE power, subdivision
documentation, and probably many other issues I am not aware of. Even a casino was mentioned at one time. The Slim purchases occurred after the
beginning of the Inveravante/Butler sales agreement. About a 3? year gap if I remember correctly.
BTW, It has been reported that large parcels south of the one being discussed are owned by family members of the previous president and that coincided
with the federal approval to improve Hwy 5. When this became known many of the coastal properties came on the market and very few were sold until the
Slim activity took place.
PW
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micah202
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elgatoloco
Golf! Finally a good reason to go to SF.  |
....haha!....have t'say!  
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bajaguy
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DUH...
You heard it here first
6-2-14 ..................
" I don't think the whole reason for improving/paving Hwy 5 to Hwy 1 is for the truckers to bypass Ensenada and San Quintin..........
Somebody with big bucks has their fingers in the pie and stand to make some $$$ on the deal by opening up all the property along both sides of Hwy 5.
Just follow the money........................
Wait for it....wait for it.........
"Who was the President of Mexico when that highway improvement was approved and construction started???? Who is the construction company related to
and what relatives of the politicians own property along the route????"
Maybe not soon, but power lines will start to appear...........
| Quote: | Originally posted by PaulW
The SF link has some inaccuracies because a site from the mainland documented the purchase of many properties (Campos) along the coast that included
some mentioned in the SF story. Those many properties were purchased by a one of the companies that C. Slim owns. That report was a result of
examining tax filings in Ensenada and the reporting was accurate. The Slim purchases included properties in 3 different Ejidos that I am aware of.
The Inveravante property was previously owned by Pat Butler (of Eldorado Ranch fame) and Butler's agents have been working with Inveravante for govt
approvals for many years. The major issues were approval for wells in the western canyons, marina. Waste treatment, CFE power, subdivision
documentation, and probably many other issues I am not aware of. Even a casino was mentioned at one time. The Slim purchases occurred after the
beginning of the Inveravante/Butler sales agreement. About a 3? year gap if I remember correctly.
BTW, It has been reported that large parcels south of the one being discussed are owned by family members of the previous president and that coincided
with the federal approval to improve Hwy 5. When this became known many of the coastal properties came on the market and very few were sold until the
Slim activity took place.
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MrBillM
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Development is GOOD
The more upscale the Development, the BETTER for the MOST people.
For those of us who have been traveling to (and living in) the area for many years (in my case 1966), it might be bittersweet, but we should look upon
it as our good fortune to have had so many years when things were still more primitive and adventurous. What we considered adventure, the average
Mexican likely found to be a lot of Drudgery.
That those who have the most money will benefit the most is a given. It's the way of a competitive society, but THAT tide WILL raise others, too.
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Update...I heard there was a payment plan worked out and Notarized to purchase Parcel 322 from Pat Butler (where the resort will be) for $4.3 million
US. Also looks like the profit Butler will make goes directly to his long time lender Textron and Paladin (aka, Montezuma Simon LLC). The story is a
little twisted.
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elgatoloco
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Pat Butler and twisted story. No way.
MAGA
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steekers
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Another relevant posting from Mexican website:
http://www.diario-o.com/dof/2014/11/26/sct2a_26nov14.pdf
Miércoles 26 de noviembre de 2014 DIARIO OFICIAL (Segunda Sección) 1
SEGUNDA SECCION
PODER EJECUTIVO
SECRETARIA DE COMUNICACIONES Y TRANSPORTES
TÍTULO de Concesión otorgado en favor de la empresa Inveravante Crecentia, S.A. de C.V., para usar y aprovechar bienes de dominio público de la
Federación, consistentes en una zona federal marítima de 1’120,581.91 metros cuadrados para la construcción, operación y explotación de una marina
turística artificial, de uso particular, para embarcaciones de pesca, recreo y deportivas, ubicada en el Municipio de Ensenada, Estado de Baja
California.
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I have a small something to add......
We built/own a home on a leased lot in Baja Santa Maria. Have been there for the past 10 years.
I've read all I can on the Marinazul Resort proposed development. I've been traveling Baja since 1975, seen all the flags planted, store fronts built
only to fade away....BUT I think this project has legs...and soon water and power lines... it already has a new highway....
This year our landlady sends us an urgent email asking all her leasee's to attend a meeting on the beach this October 11th to discuss a very important
topic. No indication of what the topic is....very strange. Anytime there is a rent raise or collection of city or federal taxes that is made very
clear, this meeting was not. Also mentions that our garage roof needs repair at a tune of $2,000, hmmmm.
Now for second hand news....we have heard that our landlady is moving to Ensenada. One of the folks just down from us was offered the chance to
"purchase" his lot and he took her up on it. HA! No way in hells acres can you purchase land that is a spit from the beach!
Speculation....I read in this forum that giant land parcels south of the proposed Marinazul Resort is owned by friends of the past president. I
really have no idea if our landlady has any connections in this area, but I think she knows something we don't.....
I think is that she is trying to squeeze as much money out of the existing leasee's before moving to Ensenada because there is an immanent change in
land ownership coming....
The October meeting should be interesting.
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David K
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Please keep us inforned. Was on Shell Island 6 weeks ago, and it was as unchanged and perfect as it was when I first camped out there 37 years ago.
Sure change happens, and it has been a big part of my Baja life, along with Nuevo Mazatlan and Bahia Santa Maria in the 1960's and 70's. We even had a
lot on the sand bar between the bay and back-bay/lagoon for a couple years leased from Sr. Madueña.
Thank you Borregoman!
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Borregoman & David: Was there a few weeks ago riding my Quad and there is a new graffiti painted on the block pillars about David. Did you see it
when you were there David? I hope to be down there to attend your meeting Borregoman if you don't mind. Have friends at Playa Hermosa.
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ehall
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Quote: Originally posted by steekers  | | Borregoman & David: Was there a few weeks ago riding my Quad and there is a new graffiti painted on the block pillars about David. Did you see it
when you were there David? I hope to be down there to attend your meeting Borregoman if you don't mind. Have friends at Playa Hermosa.
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Cmon, tease us but no pictures?
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