Originally posted by David KWhen a LOANER CAR at a Lexus dealer with TWO floor mats under the gas pedal caused the death of a family at the
end of Hwy. 125 in Santee, GM, the Obama White House (which owned GM and is beholden to labor unions) could not wait to blame Toyota... then the easy
money crowd all claimed their Toyotas had uncontrolled acceleration... Even YOU talked about selling your Tundra ... to support the punishing of this
eveil corporation (and help union controlled GM)...
(Apologies to TW in advance for this continuation of a thread hijack.)
David, I don't usually wade into your BS, but this time you have insulted the memories, and the families, of innocent people who died horrible deaths
because of an admitted defect that Toyota lied about. The actual facts are laid out in detail in these articles, among many others:
They speak for themselves, but let me boil it down for you: Toyota paid $10 million to the survivors of CHP Officer Mark Saylor, his wife, daughter
and brother-in-law, who were burned beyond recognition because of a defective floormat that caused the accelerator in their loaner Lexus to stick
(BTW, a car maker is responsible for injuries caused by defects -- including defective floormats -- in all of its cars, regardless of whether the cars
are loaners). Would Toyota do that if the claimed manufacturing defect was bogus? No, they'd fight it because settling would be tantamount to an
admission that they were at fault, which could seriously impact sales of their vehicles.
In fact, although it came too late for some poor souls, Toyota ultimately recalled over 8 million vehicles to rectify the problem you claim
was made up by the government and the "easy money" crowd of survivors of Toyota crashes and of survivors of people killed in Toyota crashes. What
kind of rational economic decisionmaker would do that if the defects didn't actually exist? None, that's what. Why? Because a recall is very
expensive and can lead to claims by Toyota owners that the recall reduced the value of their vehicles (Toyota has in fact paid out over $1
billion to those folks).
Want more actual facts? Earlier this year, Toyota paid another $1.2 billion to settle the criminal charges against it relating to this
manufacturing defect. Why would Toyota pay that much money if there really wasn't a manufacturing defect and the whole sudden acceleration claim was
made up by the government and the "easy money" crowd? Why? Because Toyota knew about the defect and delayed a recall by failing to report it while
still discussing it internally: "The criminal probe chronology shows that the problems were discussed within the company for some time without
regulatory reporting." Then when Toyota finally instituted a recall to "fix" the defect, they lied about the supposed fix: "[C]ompany officials
deceived regulators by saying the root cause of the stuck accelerator problems — which had plagued Toyota and Lexus vehicles for a couple of years
before the crash — had been solved in a limited recall."
When Toyota settled the criminal charges, basically all they had to say was that they were happy to put an "unfortunate chapter" behind them. I'm
sure Officer Saylor's survivors felt the same way. NOT.
Now let's turn briefly to your virtually incomprehensible juxtaposition of GM and Toyota. Are you arguing that GM, which at the time was partially
owned by the government as a result of the bailout, was actually behind the prosecution of Toyota for admitted manufacturing defects and instigated
all of the lawsuits filed by hundreds of Toyota owners? (That sounds completely insane to me, but I admit, I'm not a mental health professional.)
How about some facts to back that up?
Or are you arguing that somehow GM, whose cars are made by UAW workers who voted for Obama, is immune from the same sort of prosecution for
manufacturing defects and associated coverups that Toyota faced? If so, please read the USA Today article above, which notes that GM is in the
prosecutors' cross-hairs for doing the same thing Toyota did -- knowing about manufacturing defects and covering them up.
You have a right to your oft-expressed opinion that Toyota vehicles are the greatest inventions since the toaster. However, I am completely disgusted
by how you have chosen to express that opinion in this particular instance. You have made up "facts" and have smeared and disrespected people whose
lives Toyota has effectively admitted were lost or forever altered because of its negligence. As my father used to say, if you don't have anything
nice to say about someone, don't say anything.
Originally posted by David K
You see, I REMOVED my post, but... it is more important to pretend I didn't. Sure I think there was a HUGE scheme by the Obama regime to hurt Toyota
in order to help GM... and Toyota paid a huge price even when it was proven there was not uncontrolled acceleration defect.
Dk, seems like every third time you post here you subsequently remove or edit your post because so many people find your post offensive. What's up
with that?
Your repetitive Obama conspiracy theories just keep reminding everybody you are bat chit crazy!
Toyota buried the data, and spun lies. They all do, even GM No car manufacturer deserves trust. They are all in it for the buck, you got to watch your
own back.
He loves throwing zingers out there and then deleting them...Its how he operates. Easier than trying to back things up with facts...
Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
You see, I REMOVED my post, but... it is more important to pretend I didn't. Sure I think there was a HUGE scheme by the Obama regime to hurt Toyota
in order to help GM... and Toyota paid a huge price even when it was proven there was not uncontrolled acceleration defect.
Dk, seems like every third time you post here you subsequently remove or edit your post because so many people find your post offensive. What's up
with that?
Your repetitive Obama conspiracy theories just keep reminding everybody you are bat chit crazy!
Toyota buried the data, and spun lies. They all do, even GM No car manufacturer deserves trust. They are all in it for the buck, you got to watch your
own back.
David K, you are actually very easy to ignore as all your posts are so predictable...Toyota and BFG are god, everything else sucks, and all the worlds
problems are the fault of "Liberals"...
Well , at least Ford was testing it , maybe a good thing it burned yet too bad as it looks like there is not enough left to do forensics. I doubt GM
employees could even find a desert to test their vehicles.
I would never buy a GM product . Nothing political just junky engineering and quality!!!!!
Originally posted by KaceyJ
Well , at least Ford was testing it , maybe a good thing it burned yet too bad as it looks like there is not enough left to do forensics. I doubt GM
employees could even find a desert to test their vehicles.
I would never buy a GM product . Nothing political just junky engineering and quality!!!!!
Please don't say "left". It gets some people on the right excited.
Originally posted by David K
Oh, and I do not watch Fox news, used to some, but until the left sees the ruin that they are leaving our children to inherit, it serves no use to me.
Ok Dk, maybe not Faux news but probably Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck!
Sometimes factory recall mailings aren't always mailed to you in a timely manner, we just had one for our RV and the recall was in 2005. But I'm sure
that's Obama's fault too, must be those overpaid government union postal workers slacking on the job!
Originally posted by David K
Nobody here says much when there is outlandish leftist comments, but one thing is for sure you never hear me call to silence any of the leftists
Here is the problem David - You think that a statement like "CO2 levels rising in oceans caused by human pollution" is OUTLANDISH LEFTIST.
drip irrigation installer who's radio is stuck on AM believes otherwise...
This thread is another example of why BN has really been putting me off lately. Almost all threads turn to crap quickly or people can't play nice in
the sandbox. No wonder a lot of valuable nomads have bailed on this site over the years...
Sorry your thread got so jacked up, TW!
"Plan your life as if you are going to live forever. Live your life as if you are going to die tomorrow." - Carlos Fiesta
Originally posted by chuckie
David K, you are actually very easy to ignore as all your posts are so predictable...Toyota and BFG are god, everything else sucks, and all the worlds
problems are the fault of "Liberals"...
Correction Chuckie -
DK hates BFG because they are owned by a French company and France refused to join us (US) in our invasion of Iraq and David had a gushing lust for
all things George Bush did. Also excluded from the "coalition of the willing" - Mexico, Canada and most of the world. When that dimwitted fool said
"you're either with with us or you're against us" most of the planet and all of our neighbors were "against us". So much for "I'm a uniter not a
divider" I'll spare you the map, it's embarrassing as an American.
Also.. How the hell is SHOCK AND AWE not the perfect definition of terrorism???
This thread is another example of why BN has really been putting me off lately. Almost all threads turn to crap quickly or people can't play nice in
the sandbox. No wonder a lot of valuable nomads have bailed on this site over the years...
Sorry your thread got so jacked up, TW!
I'm sorry too. Sincerely I am. BUT DK's rants should NOT get to go on unquestioned or unanswered or at least the coward should face the music in OT.
That's the problem. He thinks he is too good for OFF-TOPIC and it kills the spirit of threads like this. I take FULL responsibility for dragging this
one down too and I truly apologize but it's because DK is allowed to get away with it over and over again and it infuriates me.
I'm much nicer in person. Truly sorry. Carry on about trucks on fire...
Sorry that I can't have an opinion that differs from the extreme leftists here, but I do. Nobody here says much when there is outlandish leftist
comments, but one thing is for sure you never hear me call to silence any of the leftists... the people who are so 'open minded' and for freedom of
speech (as long as only your version can be heard, right)???
.......
Good night... too bad about the drama, but I know some of you live on it. I tried to stop it before it turned into this. Go back to the Marine in jail
or Turtle Soup threads to continue please. Deleting the non-Ford posts, please do the same.
Please, who has tried to silence you? It is that chip on your shoulder again.
Drama? Yes, you are good at that! Funny that once you start something that is not going well for you, you want to stop it---
bajadogs, you don't know me and we have not met to the best of my memory. So, please don't pretend you do. I would like to be friendly but as long as
my personal belief in people being smart enough to make their own decisions differs from the liberal's belief that only a government worker knows
best, that prevents polite, friendly disagreement I guess?
I don't like BFG because I have seen too many sidewall failures on them. I have no problem with France, now. I have owned four sets of BFGs over the
past 14 years and the last two were really disappointing in the way they easily get flats and wear out. The sidewall failures I have seen were on the
All Terrain TAs.
I decided to say anything would be counter productive, so I removed my 'rant'. But, that wasn't good enough for those who like to put me down for
expressing my freedom of speech. Again, if you don't want drama, then remove the drama posts, I did... Let it go.
Originally posted by David K
YES! I did remove it... will you and Perry remove yours? Bet you won't!
It is just so plain to know what the left will do, I am tired of predicting it here, because non of you will accept it when you are proven wrong.
When a LOANER CAR at a Lexus dealer with TWO floor mats under the gas pedal caused the death of a family at the end of Hwy. 125 in Santee, GM, the
Obama White House (which owned GM and is beholden to labor unions) could not wait to blame Toyota... then the easy money crowd all claimed their
Toyotas had uncontrolled acceleration... Even YOU talked about selling your Tundra ... to support the punishing of this eveil corporation (and help
union controlled GM)...
So, I did remove my reply, but you guys just couldn't be happy with that, so here you go!
No, I won't remove it. You need to be responsible for your words that make no sense at all.
BTW-- please get your facts straight -- we sold our Tundra because first of all, we wanted a Subaru and we may buy another Toyota truck, or we may
not. We love the Subaru, but living here we also want a truck.
The year Tundra we had did not have sufficient brakes and if we had known about it, we could have had it fixed for free. But instead of sending out
recall notices, Toyota just sent out notices to the dealers, so if one happened to have some work done at a dealer who wanted to tell one that while
under the warranty period they could have it fixed it could be fixed. We found out after the warranty period. That year also had some not so good
rust problems.
So no, you once again have your facts totally screwed up.
If you have ever listened to Rush Limblah you will recognize the soundbites used by David...and there is a reason that Limblah's show is called talk
radio (as apposed to a news program). Much like David, facts are not required.
Originally posted by David K
YES! I did remove it... will you and Perry remove yours? Bet you won't!
It is just so plain to know what the left will do, I am tired of predicting it here, because non of you will accept it when you are proven wrong.
When a LOANER CAR at a Lexus dealer with TWO floor mats under the gas pedal caused the death of a family at the end of Hwy. 125 in Santee, GM, the
Obama White House (which owned GM and is beholden to labor unions) could not wait to blame Toyota... then the easy money crowd all claimed their
Toyotas had uncontrolled acceleration... Even YOU talked about selling your Tundra ... to support the punishing of this eveil corporation (and help
union controlled GM)...
So, I did remove my reply, but you guys just couldn't be happy with that, so here you go!
No, I won't remove it. You need to be responsible for your words that make no sense at all.
BTW-- please get your facts straight -- we sold our Tundra because first of all, we wanted a Subaru and we may buy another Toyota truck, or we may
not. We love the Subaru, but living here we also want a truck.
The year Tundra we had did not have sufficient brakes and if we had known about it, we could have had it fixed for free. But instead of sending out
recall notices, Toyota just sent out notices to the dealers, so if one happened to have some work done at a dealer who wanted to tell one that while
under the warranty period they could have it fixed it could be fixed. We found out after the warranty period. That year also had some not so good
rust problems.
So no, you once again have your facts totally screwed up.
If you have ever listened to Rush Limblah you will recognize the soundbites used by David...and there is a reason that Limblah's show is called talk
radio (as apposed to a news program). Much like David, facts are not required.
if david wants to buy into all that crap, I say more power to him. all we ask is that he deposits his thoughts elsewhere, the OT, tacoma world,
sprinkler pipe world, nutty republican world, HIS OWN WEBSITE, anywhere but here. is that too much to ask?
Originally posted by David K
the liberal's belief that only a government worker knows best
It's insulting remarks like that that gets people upset with you. I know you think you're just going for equal time but you constantly insult people
who don't think like you. There are many intelligent, thoughtful people who are also politically liberal on this message board and throughout the
country. You show no respect for, nor understanding of, their point of view.
Come on over to off-topic, we'll have lots of fun there, you'll get crucified.
In fact there's a thread about Michele Bachmann's new initiative. Join in the debate from the conservative side.
Some of his statements are just dumb. I have always been a Republican, but I sure get sick of hearing that its all Obamas fault and the continual
bashing. I didn't think George W. was the sharpest pencil in the box either. It seems that few of these political zealots have anything to offer in
the way of a solution to the mess, too busy blaming each other.....I was amazed at the total destruction of that Ford pickup (back on topic). I guess
aluminum has a lower melting point than steel.....
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