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elgatoloco
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
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Mexico.......the application of these rules is decidedly subjective. |
Enough said.   
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
If one were to leave without turning it in, then return and use it again, how would migracion ever know that you weren't in Mexico the whole time?
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Mexico would know. You stop just inside at the border crossing whenever you enter Mexico.
How can you then present them with a prior-dated tourist entry card already in-hand.
The rules of immigration are clear. However, the application of these rules is decidedly subjective. |
In 30
years, I have never once had anyone ask me for any immigration document or passport when entering Mexico by car, even when sent to secondary or
declaring imported items. So how would they know if I had a FMT from a previous trip, or if I had recently been to Mexico? I think you are giving them
way too much credit of knowing their burros from a hole in the ground.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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Sandlefoot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Excellent thread on Talk Baja about this subject. Tourists being told in Tecate to turn their FMM in upon exiting Mexico.
Maybe immigration reads forums on the internet |
I think they do read a lot of blogs and forums. I think the more hits a single topic gets the more likely they are to "look into it deeper". So for
those that want it to be a subject of their discussion and enforced, just keep it in the sight!!!! There is a learning curve here and just remember
the roll out of the latest immigration rules, and "how smoothly" that went for all of us. Just saying!!!
Happy Trails
On edit: I forgot to suggest to keep the idea of TIPS on the Baja in their thinking also.
Don't understand why some people want to "fix" something that aint broken!!!
[Edited on 11-8-2014 by Sandlefoot]
" Don't find fault, find a remedy; anyone can complain." Henry Ford
If you are not living on the edge...you are taking up to much space!
Just because it may not be a good idea does not mean it will not be fun!!!
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
If one were to leave without turning it in, then return and use it again, how would migracion ever know that you weren't in Mexico the whole time?
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They wouldn't. |
Mexico would know. You stop just inside at the border crossing whenever you enter Mexico.
How can you then present them with a prior-dated tourist entry card already in-hand.
The rules of immigration are clear. However, the application of these rules is decidedly subjective. |
In the border zone, there is no need for the FMM, and thus, they would never ask to see it when crossing the border into Mexico.
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elgatoloco
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I just pulled our now expired (22/03/14 issue) FMM's from the file so I can mail them to the Instituto. We will be getting new ones in a few weeks,
if they let us.
On the front the form reads in part:
"Registro De Salida/Departure Registration"
I notice on the back it reads in part:
"Important - During your stay in Mexico, you must retain this immigration form and surrender it upon leaving the country"
Like most countries this form is to be filled out on entry and surrendered on exit. When you fly out of Mexico they have an easy mechanism to collect
your form but not so much when you go via land. We just got back from a trip where we had to do the same at airports in Singapore, Bali and Japan.
Could not drive home from any of those so no idea what happens when you hit those land borders.
US Mail tells me it will cost me $1.15 US to send.
Viva USPS! 
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bajaspuds
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why not authorize borderline churro vendors to collect visas from anyone who bothered to get one and continues to give a damn?
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gorv
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We crossed ten days ago at Algodones, walking across the afternoon before to get our tourist visas, and mentioned to the immigration officer we would
be driving across the next day heading for La Paz. He spoke excellent english, gave us directions for leaving town and he was also there the
following morning at 6:30 am when we drove up. He looked at us and said..oh yes, you have your permits, drive ahead to the customs check. No
hassles.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gorv
We crossed ten days ago at Algodones, walking across the afternoon before to get our tourist visas, and mentioned to the immigration officer we would
be driving across the next day heading for La Paz. He spoke excellent english, gave us directions for leaving town and he was also there the
following morning at 6:30 am when we drove up. He looked at us and said..oh yes, you have your permits, drive ahead to the customs check. No
hassles. |
Exactly! Viva Mexico!! Did he accept the payment or did you pay a bank teller for the FMMs?
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gorv
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We paid the immigration officer. There is a sign on the wall stating it is 306 pesos and they want exact change. And there is a money change place
across the street if you need it. The fellow entered our info into the computer while we waited. It all felt aboveboard to us.
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Bajahowodd
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I'm waiting to see if Mexico develops a data base that would provide the IMM officer the knowledge that a previous FMM was not surrendered. It has not
been the case so far.
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Kgryfon
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| Quote: | | The rules of immigration are clear. However, the application of these rules is decidedly subjective. |
"I don't always follow the rules, but when I do, I expect everyone else to follow them as well." 
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msteve1014
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Kgryfon
| Quote: | | The rules of immigration are clear. However, the application of these rules is decidedly subjective. |
"I don't always follow the rules, but when I do, I expect everyone else to follow them as well." |
It's the American way.
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bajabuddha
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Kgryfon
"I don't always follow the rules, but when I do, I expect everyone else to follow them as well." |
So what do you expect from everyone else when you don't?
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I'm waiting to see if Mexico develops a data base that would provide the IMM officer the knowledge that a previous FMM was not surrendered. It has not
been the case so far. |
it is all entered into the central computer system now
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