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wessongroup
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Just saw a video of some of the "strife" which is occurring ... Sadly it reminded me of the Gaza Strip
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Bajahowodd
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I'm just wondering. The very fact that this area has become an agricultural dynamo owes to the fact that their workers don't have to risk the border
to get jobs up North.
So, does anyone know what the companies are paying their workers in the area? I'm guessing that it's less than they would earn in El Norte.
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DianaT
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Quote: Originally posted by Bajahowodd  | I'm just wondering. The very fact that this area has become an agricultural dynamo owes to the fact that their workers don't have to risk the border
to get jobs up North.
So, does anyone know what the companies are paying their workers in the area? I'm guessing that it's less than they would earn in El Norte.
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It varies some, but before it was running about the equivalent of $8 a day. The workers started out demanding approx $19.70 a day and lowered it to
$13.10 a day, plus they wanted laws regarding the payment of social security and health insurance paid, and maybe a little respect. The piece work
is, of course different.
The last negotiations ended with the growers agreeing to some of the demands, but only wanted to increase the wages about 12% if I remember correctly
--- it may be a bit more. And some of the growers made some separate deals. It is a rather complicated situation.
The workers agreed to the changes, except were still demanding higher wages. The government has been involved in the talks. This last violence broke
out because the government representatives did not show up because they said they had no new agreement from the growers. They are supposed to show up
on Wednesday.
So yes, it is a lot less than they earn in the US.
That is a VERY simplified version of what has been happening --- but they have not had raises in a long time, so I am told.
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tecatero
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Do you think this peace march scheduled for wednesday will affect the highway ??
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rts551
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Hard to say. Its been reported that the movement has been infiltrated by people who cause problems (gang members) and that is what caused the
problems last weekend. Leaders are vowing peaceful marches.
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rts551
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editorial.
http://www.razon.com.mx/spip.php?page=columnista&id_arti...
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shari
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We will be passing thru this afternoon & will report. Like last time i anticipate smooth sailing with very little traffic & lots of police
& military to keep things peaceful.
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rts551
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Today and this afternoon will be fine. Tomorrow the farm workers are scheduled to meet with the government again. So it depends on how that goes.
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DianaT
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So many different articles from different sides of the story and some say it is the workers who cause violence, some say they become violent after
they are attacked by the police, and others say the workers are peaceful except the ones agitated by political parties, or gangs. And some of the
perspectives I read on TalkBaja are different than I read in e-mails from friends living in the area.
While this last outbreak did not last as long, there was violence, arson and the highway was blocked for a while while rocks were being thrown.
As Ralph said, no one knows what tomorrow will bring or even if the government officials will show up this time.
For gringos, the best place to get real time info about the rally and whether it is remaining peaceful or not, is the facebook page TalkBaja. While
they may differ in opinion regarding causes, the ones living there know if it is safe to travel or not.
Hopefully the rally will remain peaceful, and hopefully more of the worker's demands will be met.
Need a crystal ball to know what tomorrow will bring.
[Edited on 5-12-2015 by DianaT]
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Alan
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I drove through NB last Friday. Striking workers everywhere and several sections of the highway was shut down by marches. Police vehicles were
leading the marches and riding drag at the end of each group. Traffic was simply diverted to dirt road paralleling highway. All very peaceful and
organized when I went through but it looks like it got out of hand the next day.
In Memory of E-57
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irenemm
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Another march will start tomorrow at 3:00 a.m. they will be going south from Vicente guerrero. The loudspeakers should start waking them up around
1:30.
The conflict on Friday started because farm workers were in the camps behind the Posada Don Diego picking strawberries and the leaders sent some
people to stop them they did not want to stop so the workers called the police. When the police got there one of the protester hit a cop in the head
with rock or a stick and the rest joined in. they started the fence on fire and it all went to hell from there. We were out watching it because they
ran right in front of house to get to the field. We stayed to watch of course from distance to see if our field would start on fire.
the cops chased these guys back up the hill when they were pelted with rocks which happens on a daily basic. I live right next to this and listen to
the loud speakers daily. Many of our employees live up there and are asked where they are going as they do not want them to work. They often say going
to pick up other to join the protest or going to get medicine. They do not say they are going to work they are afraid of the leaders. When you have a
problem you go to the leaders and not the police. This how it is done.
So we will see what happens tomorrow. the Government can not give them the raise they want because it would have to change the whole pay scale of
Mexico so that will not happen.
Stay safe be careful
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: Originally posted by DianaT | | Quote: Originally posted by Bajahowodd | I'm just wondering. The very fact that this area has become an agricultural dynamo owes to the fact that their workers don't have to risk the border
to get jobs up North.
So, does anyone know what the companies are paying their workers in the area? I'm guessing that it's less than they would earn in El Norte.
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It varies some, but before it was running about the equivalent of $8 a day. The workers started out demanding approx $19.70 a day and lowered it to
$13.10 a day, plus they wanted laws regarding the payment of social security and health insurance paid, and maybe a little respect. The piece work
is, of course different.
The last negotiations ended with the growers agreeing to some of the demands, but only wanted to increase the wages about 12% if I remember correctly
--- it may be a bit more. And some of the growers made some separate deals. It is a rather complicated situation.
The workers agreed to the changes, except were still demanding higher wages. The government has been involved in the talks. This last violence broke
out because the government representatives did not show up because they said they had no new agreement from the growers. They are supposed to show up
on Wednesday.
So yes, it is a lot less than they earn in the US.
That is a VERY simplified version of what has been happening --- but they have not had raises in a long time, so I am told.
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: Originally posted by DianaT | | Quote: Originally posted by Bajahowodd | I'm just wondering. The very fact that this area has become an agricultural dynamo owes to the fact that their workers don't have to risk the border
to get jobs up North.
So, does anyone know what the companies are paying their workers in the area? I'm guessing that it's less than they would earn in El Norte.
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It varies some, but before it was running about the equivalent of $8 a day. The workers started out demanding approx $19.70 a day and lowered it to
$13.10 a day, plus they wanted laws regarding the payment of social security and health insurance paid, and maybe a little respect. The piece work
is, of course different.
The last negotiations ended with the growers agreeing to some of the demands, but only wanted to increase the wages about 12% if I remember correctly
--- it may be a bit more. And some of the growers made some separate deals. It is a rather complicated situation.
The workers agreed to the changes, except were still demanding higher wages. The government has been involved in the talks. This last violence broke
out because the government representatives did not show up because they said they had no new agreement from the growers. They are supposed to show up
on Wednesday.
So yes, it is a lot less than they earn in the US.
That is a VERY simplified version of what has been happening --- but they have not had raises in a long time, so I am told.
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: Originally posted by DianaT | | Quote: Originally posted by tecatero | | Heading north today. I will post later providing we make it thru. Does it seem These events are always later in the week around Friday?
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It is reported on TalkBaja via a news article, that there is going to be a peaceful rally march on Wed as the workers wait for more responses from
the government officials. Hopefully, there will be a settlement soon and that the rally will remain peaceful.
Safe travels and just check as you go.
Just wanted to reiterate that unless you are a Facebook member, you cannot access Talkbaja.
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irenemm
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Our people in the kitchen that live in that area said they have been told to carry sticks, shovels and machete tomorrow for the peaceful march. let
see if it stays peaceful no need for hardware if it is peaceful.
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bajabuddha
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Irene, thank you for the insightful and on-the-spot reporting; doesn't sound good at all. Stock up your goodies.
Howie, lay off the sauce.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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chuckie
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Wodd? They are being paid less than they would be up North? DUH
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Pacifico
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Any new info?
Thanks!
"Plan your life as if you are going to live forever. Live your life as if you are going to die tomorrow." - Carlos Fiesta
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Pacifico
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bump...
"Plan your life as if you are going to live forever. Live your life as if you are going to die tomorrow." - Carlos Fiesta
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irenemm
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No march. road thru Vicente Guerrero open not problems
Meeting is going to be held in Ensenada. The people have left here on buses to Ensenada.
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