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rts551
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I went out this morning and stuck a stick in the sand where the water comes up. This afternoon it did not reach it. Now I KNOW that you guys don't
know what you are talking about. Its a fact.
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Santiago
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Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron  | | While it makes sense that vaporizing 100,000,000 years of carbon deposits in the span of a couple centuries should wreak some havoc it still makes
sense to keep a critical skepticism with such a politicized topic. That said, my own skepticism took a turn downward recently ...I kept wondering why
in the last interglacial period we had high CO2 levels and temps (and that was before humans were barely a twinkle in the Earth's eye). Turns out
that the higher temps would be caused by heating of the upper atmosphere due to the Earth's wobbly rotation over the eons. But the rising temps
currently are in the lower atmosphere NOT in the upper atmosphere...so that may not have even happened yet. |
Thinking is very dangerous, stop it.
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woody with a view
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | I went out this morning and stuck a stick in the sand where the water comes up. This afternoon it did not reach it. Now I KNOW that you guys don't
know what you are talking about. Its a fact. |
check it again over the next 2 weeks. we may be in the low phase of high tides right now.
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cbuzzetti
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I watched a show the other day with dragons and they said " Winter is Coming" 
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Pescador
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Al Gore predicted a 20 ft. rise in tide by 2013 during his film , "An Inconvenient Truth". So believing everything the good Senator said, I bought on
a hill, Same hill, the only good thing is that I get lots of exercise walking down to the water every day.
Now the real question is what do we do about it to really effect any change.
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: Originally posted by Pescador | Al Gore predicted a 20 ft. rise in tide by 2013 during his film , "An Inconvenient Truth". So believing everything the good Senator said, I bought on
a hill, Same hill, the only good thing is that I get lots of exercise walking down to the water every day.
Now the real question is what do we do about it to really effect any change. |
Agree that there is way too much BS being tossed out by both political extremes on the issue. What is becoming harder to deny is that climate change
is happening. It is happening on a global level and cannot be measured by the snow level in Vermont in January nor the water level relative to a sandy
beach in Baja in July. The comprehensive, planetary evidence is becoming overwhelming. Personally, I believe that this is a cyclic event in our earths
ongoing history being exacerbated this time around by humans increasing in numbers, industry and pollution output per capita.
Pescador asks the real question that I wish both sides of this debate would focus solely on instead of spending so much time trying to prove/deny it
is happening or calling the other side idiots.
We need to be asking ourselves what can be done to reduce our footprint on this planet, minimize the human contribution to global warming and then
focus on how best to deal with what is out of our reach / inevitable.
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KurtG
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I have always agreed with what Bajagringo expressed that the proposed solutions to global warming are good in and of themselves independent of the
cause of the warming. When I point that out to my friends who think this is a political issue they don't seem to agree. I simply think that a
lifestyle that consumes fewer natural resources is good for all of us, but then our species has not shown much ability to act in our own best
interests.
The dinosaurs lasted a 180 or so million years, I don't think our species will come close to that.
I just noted that this post was #666, I am obviously a tool of the devil!
[Edited on 7-22-2015 by KurtG]
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SFandH
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Between now and 2050 the world's population is projected to grow by 33%, from 7.2 to 9.6 billion. With this in mind I can't imagine how we can reduce
the amount green house gases that are being released into the atmosphere. Couple that with the anticipated release of methane after the permafrost
begins to melt and significant global warming soon, looks inevitable.
If you're concerned about the lives of your young children or grandchildren, buy some property in the cool, clean mountain air. It could become
extremely valuable a few decades out.
[Edited on 7-22-2015 by SFandH]
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wessongroup
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What he said ^^
It's the elephant in the room that can't be changed, it would appear ... the desire to "reproduce" ...
Something we picked up in evolution .. The old "Biological Clock" ones hears about
Coupled to the desire for electricity, transportation and a lack of finding a source which does NOT have negative environmental impact, is the
challenge we® as humans face as a species
Coal, oil and natural gas ... pretty hard to break away from these as is SEX .. 
Did see where a "think group" that Bill Gates put together up in British Columbia have created a means to removed CO2 from the atmosphere ... only
problem .. It doesn't produce a "Yield" .. It only solves the problem
Perhaps the new approach by the Pope may have some degree of merit ... as nothing else has worked thus far
However, I haven't heard from the Pope ... on reproduction levels being established for the world and good luck with that one 
[Edited on 7-22-2015 by wessongroup]
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BajaRat
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The pressure we are placing on this planet has to have long term effects not just the terrible damage we see man inflicting today.
One thing is certain, change.
Well, I'm going back to the pole house design and a floating vintage trailer to tie up to it
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BajaRat
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| Quote: Originally posted by wessongroup |
Did see where a "think group" that Bill Gates put together up in British Columbia have created a means to removed CO2 from the atmosphere ... only
problem .. It doesn't produce a "Yield" .. It only solves the problem
[Edited on 7-22-2015 by wessongroup] |
Yeah but doesn't the process require burning Bald Eagle heads 
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woody with a view
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^^^and harpooning polar bears for their tails!^^^
how else would you get a polar bear tail?
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I know for sure the planet is warming, 6 months ago it was down right chilly here and now I'm sweating like crazy. Must be 30 degrees hotter.....funny
thing is none of the animals have died.....whodathunkit?
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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Osprey
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I will keep trying to herd some of you back to the Milankovitch cycles until you get that the earth WOBBLE changes things drastically every 26,000
years.
I don't think I'll have much success until they change the name to the O'bama cycles. Has a better ring for millions more people in confusion and
distress.
[Edited on 7-22-2015 by Osprey]
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wessongroup
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No mention of Eagle heads that I saw ... but, I just skimmed it
"Startups have figured out how to remove carbon from the air. Will anyone pay them to do it?"
http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/jul/14/...
Certainly a different approach ... Harvesting CO2 for reuse in the production of energy, however, there was no mention it would have any impact on
population growth
Enjoy it while ya can 
Wonder what Baja would be like with a Billion people
[Edited on 7-22-2015 by wessongroup]
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ncampion
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I think this may be a first for a "Nomad" thread. Everyone is discussing the topic in a civilized manner. Congratulations to all!!!
Living Large in Loreto. Off-grid and happy.
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chuckie
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I don't even pretend to understand all the arguments pro/con rising seas....BUT there seems to be a LOT of science that says the seas are
rising.....We can do no wrong, however, to clean up our acts and our planet "just in case"....Out here on the big prairies, I can find a stick or two,
but no oceans to plant it by....
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rts551
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People have shown so far that they are willing to do little things... but to make big changes they are too dependent on fossil fuels.
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | People have shown so far that they are willing to do little things... but to make big changes they are too dependent on fossil fuels.
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Yes, unfortunately that is true. I was a card carrying republican back in the 80's and admit to voting for Reagan. At the time I remember thinking
that he had sent a very mistaken and negative message when it was published that Reagan had ordered the solar panels installed by his predecessor on
the White House roof to be removed. The US had the economic, industrial and technology resources at the time to be able to establish itself as a world
leader in alternative energy production. Instead, we poo-poo'd that awesome idea, ridiculed the "tree huggers" and gave big oil lobbyists a regular
spot on the presidents weekly golf foursome.
Not only did we make ourselves even MORE dependent on oil, in the process we increased the political-economical power of mid east oil barons which
further destabilized a region historically at war. And that mid east instability sucked the US into the fight to protect its "oil addiction" which in
turn has cost tens of thousands of lives, left countless crippled and after throwing trillions of dollars down that black hole, there are STILL
politicians calling for us to go back for more.
Many love to make fun of Jimmy Carter's presidency but he was 100% right on energy. If the US had heeded his warning on oil dependency and instead
embarked on a path of developing alternative energy programs, the country today would be much stronger economically, much less dependent on imported
oil and be a lot cleaner to boot.
China probably wouldn't hold the mortgage on the country either...
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